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[RoKKeR]

Both look and sound like they are gonna be awesome to use.

I am a tad worried about the "lack of resistance" in the One's triggers though

That's because it has impulse/rumble triggers.

 

[aeolist]

here's hoping the ps4 controller gets some really good pc drivers

looks like it could be the best option for htpcs and steam big picture

 

[Portugeezer]

I can honestly say that both look really good.

 

[BleachAndPepsi]

It gets the 5.1 audio by having more expensive wireless tech: WiFi Direct. So it has way more bandwidth & much better latency than Bluetooth. You'll probably start seeing some kind of attachments besides headsets to the bottom: next-gen chat pad anyone?

Also, the XB1 controller has an infrared emitter in it to communicate invisibly with Kinect. Much better than DS4 since you don't have a crazy light shining off your controller. Kind of funny they include that light but then don't require the PSEye. So I guess PS4 owners are paying for something that they most likely will never use.

No thanks.

 

[TimeEffect]

Rumble triggers sound so cool.

 

[Aesthet1c]

That dpad on the Xbox controller still looks awful.

 

[nib95]

They both look amazing. Touchpad is a great addition as are rumble triggers. I will say I prefer the look of the DS4 triggers, XO's are a touch bulky, but otherwise they both look solid. Visually the handles of the DS4 look a bit odd, but I'm sure they'll be ergonomic.

 

[scitek]

How do these compare to WiiU's pad and gamepad?

Probably palely. The Wii U Pro pad is one of the best I've ever used when it comes to both its sticks and D-pad.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I can honestly say that both look really good.

Yep, win/win which is great for gamers

 

[ToyBroker]

It gets the 5.1 audio by having more expensive wireless tech: WiFi Direct. So it has way more bandwidth & much better latency than Bluetooth. You'll probably start seeing some kind of attachments besides headsets to the bottom: next-gen chat pad anyone?

Also, the XB1 controller has an infrared emitter in it to communicate invisibly with Kinect. Much better than DS4 since you don't have a crazy light shining off your controller. Kind of funny they include that light but then don't require the PSEye. So I guess PS4 owners are paying for something that they most likely will never use.

Nice try dude.

A small blue LED is really gonna break the bank like Kinect.


The no resistance on Xbone triggers sounds horrifying. There's also no click/resistance/stop point like the 360 controller either. Very odd.

 

[c0de]

Definitely a tie. Opinions will differ by which console/company people like more. Both will be great gaming-devices, for sure. And putting rumble in the triggers is just... genius. I wonder when Sony will implement this.

 

[Killing_Joke]

Also, the XB1 controller has an infrared emitter in it to communicate invisibly with Kinect. Much better than DS4 since you don't have a crazy light shining off your controller. Kind of funny they include that light but then don't require the PSEye. So I guess PS4 owners are paying for something that they most likely will never use.

The system communicates with the light without the camera. Change colors, blink when you're dying, etc. The camera just added small stuff like being able to track your location during split screen.

 

[la flama blanca]

It gets the 5.1 audio by having more expensive wireless tech: WiFi Direct. So it has way more bandwidth & much better latency than Bluetooth. You'll probably start seeing some kind of attachments besides headsets to the bottom: next-gen chat pad anyone?

Also, the XB1 controller has an infrared emitter in it to communicate invisibly with Kinect. Much better than DS4 since you don't have a crazy light shining off your controller. Kind of funny they include that light but then don't require the PSEye. So I guess PS4 owners are paying for something that they most likely will never use.

Nice spin son. The Xb1 also has a proprietary connector that ms implemented to make money off of all third party headset sales. So now headsets will be more expensive and thanks to that pre mixing, headset features will be limited. Sony on the other hand has a standard 3.5 port that allows any headset to be plugged in. I'll take Sony, thanks.

 

[Iced_Eagle]

No thanks.

Why the hell not? Chat Pad on 360 was amazing. I would love a next Gen version. Made typing so much easier, and it didn't negatively affect the balance and didn't add much weight.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

No, they said enhanced rumble for DS4 at the PS4 unveiling in Feb, whatever that means. Sony so far has not done a me-too reaction with PS4...at least I don't think they have.

The DS4 itself is a "me to" reaction by Sony, it's more like the 360/One pad than it is like the DS3 and that's a good thing.

 

[CambriaRising]

Why the hell not? Chat Pad on 360 was amazing. I would love a next Gen version. Made typing so much easier, and it didn't negatively affect the balance and didn't add much weight.

It could use improvements. The buttons were too stiff.

I loved that it was backlit though.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

That dpad on the Xbox controller still looks awful.

Dpad impressions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTp3R783kQA

"genuinely feels fantastic" "lowered, very flush" "far more defined" "amazing click feel" "can slide thumb around it" "very defined where you are, there's no ambiguity to what part of the d-pad you're pressing" "very comfortable"

 

[nib95]

Nice spin son. The Xb1 also has a proprietary connector that ms implemented to make money off of all third party headset sales. So now headsets will be more expensive and thanks to that pre mixing, headset features will be limited. Sony on the other hand has a standard 3.5 port that allows any headset to be plugged in. I'll take Sony, thanks.

With respect to the 3.5mm port at the bottom, does that mean I can plug my Westone 4's, modded T50RP's or T1's directly in to it? T1's via a 6.3mm to 3.5mm adaptor.

That would be crazy if yes.

Not being funny, but none of these 5.1/7.1 surround headphones etc actually hold a candle in terms of audio quality, comparative to the audiophile grade stuff.

 

[onQ123]

My Opinion:

DS4 is a full featured controller for the next generation & Xbox One controller is a redesign controller from the previous generation.


DS4 has Touch , Motion Sensing , Visual Feedback , Audio Feedback. Directional Rumble .

& Xbox One controller has Rumble Triggers as it's big new feature.



I'm not sure why these things are being ignored.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Can't wait for the DS4. I just want to fly something with that. I think I'll boot up PS2 and just fly around for a few hours.

 

[hwy_61]

I'm hoping MS releases one for PC. I'm really looking forward to using the new xbox gamepad

 

[TheWanderer]

Hmm, I think I slightly prefer the DS4, the touch pad seems cool and so does the light bar, although I actually really long for the trigger rumble as I'd imagine it makes firing guns feel much more natural.

 

[SmoothRunningGun]

Both controllers look great. I have high hopes for strategy games on the PS4 since it has a touchpad. I want to be able to turn off that light-bar--I'm not putting duct tape on my controller.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

I'm hoping MS releases one for PC. I'm really looking forward to using the new xbox gamepad

MS says the X1 controller will be compatible with PCs in 2014.

the pad will operate with desktops once fresh software hits in 2014. Since the new gamepad "shares no underlying technology with the current Xbox 360 controller," the code will enable it to function with PCs and support games that are playable with the existing [360] pad. It's likely that Redmond will lean on the gear's micro-USB port and wired mode for desktop-compatibility

http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/12/xbox-one-controller-pc-compatibility-update/

 

[Smokey]

Both look good.

But since the X1 controller has the better analog stick placement, it wins for me.

 

[AzBat]

Why the hell not? Chat Pad on 360 was amazing. I would love a next Gen version. Made typing so much easier, and it didn't negatively affect the balance and didn't add much weight.

Agreed. I love my chatpad. Hopefully they will have a new one by the time I'm able to purchase the system. Hopefully it's more than just a keyboard though. I wouldn't mind something like a touchpad on it like the PS3 chatpad or they could make it a touchscreen that was customizable(used as a keyboard or a Smartglass device).

I could care less about the actual headset port being non-standard. I don't have anything in my house I could use with it. Either I'll be using the included headset with it or buying a totally wireless headset. I just like the idea it was designed with the future in mind instead of relying on old slow Bluetooth tech.

 

[NinjaCarrot]

What's up with these controller videos and the incredibly thick English accents?

That's not even a thick accent!

 

[Bgamer90]

My Opinion:

DS4 is a full featured controller for the next generation & Xbox One controller is a redesign controller from the previous generation.


DS4 has Touch , Motion Sensing , Visual Feedback , Audio Feedback. Directional Rumble .

& Xbox One controller has Rumble Triggers as it's big new feature.



I'm not sure why these things are being ignored.

Because many feel that the DS3 needed more changes at the core of the controller in comparison to the 360 controller -- well outside of the d-pad.

Hence why many aren't giving attention to the new features on the DS4 controller; many only care about its improvements for traditional controller gaming.

 

[mangochutney]

It gets the 5.1 audio by having more expensive wireless tech: WiFi Direct. So it has way more bandwidth & much better latency than Bluetooth. You'll probably start seeing some kind of attachments besides headsets to the bottom: next-gen chat pad anyone?

Also, the XB1 controller has an infrared emitter in it to communicate invisibly with Kinect. Much better than DS4 since you don't have a crazy light shining off your controller. Kind of funny they include that light but then don't require the PSEye. So I guess PS4 owners are paying for something that they most likely will never use.

How much do you think an LED costs? Hardly anything is the answer.

Additionally, if they didn't include the light on all controllers then if you wanted to go out and get the Eye you would also need to go out and buy new controllers with the light included.

Ironic that you want to point out an LED that costs practically nothing as being a pointless addition that people will have to 'pay for' even though not everyone will use when the Kinect camera is included in every console and adds a substantial cost to the console!

 

[FlyStarJay]

they said no trigger rumble, but you do get a weight shifted around, what does that mean please?

 

[ShapeGSX]

The system communicates with the light without the camera. Change colors, blink when you're dying, etc. The camera just added small stuff like being able to track your location during split screen.

The light is on the back of the controller and points down. How are you going to see it?

 

[ShapeGSX]

The no resistance on Xbone triggers sounds horrifying. There's also no click/resistance/stop point like the 360 controller either. Very odd.

Horrifying?

 

[TheWanderer]

The light is on the back of the controller and points down. How are you going to see it?

If it is anything like the move ball you will still see the glow, unless the room is very bright.

 

[mangochutney]

they said no trigger rumble, but you do get a weight shifted around, what does that mean please?

It means the rumble motors are independent of each other, so the left can rumble whilst the right does not, or in different intensities of rumble, giving the impression of weight distribution.

So if your right tyre went off the track onto the gravel you'd get right rumble but not left.

 

[stargateheaven]

Nope, shes right. You can recharge your batteries via USB.

So what are they selling the charge kit for??

 

[FlyStarJay]

It means the rumble motors are independent of each other, so the left can rumble whilst the right does not, or in different intensities of rumble, giving the impression of weight distribution.

So if your right tyre went off the track onto the gravel you'd get right rumble but not left.

Thanks but they were speaking about the ds4. so it has a weight shift. So i was asking what does it mean for the ds4

 

[Interceptor]

Pretty excited for the next gen rumble but both of them missing a screen is a huge letdown.

 

[Thaumaturgic Tomato]

Awesome. Sony finally joined the world in utilizing micro-USB on PS4. Every electronic I own uses micro except the dang PS3 controllers which use mini USB.

 

[TimeEffect]

It means the rumble motors are independent of each other, so the left can rumble whilst the right does not, or in different intensities of rumble, giving the impression of weight distribution.

So if your right tyre went off the track onto the gravel you'd get right rumble but not left.

And current gen doesn't do that?

 

[Truespeed]

Xbox new rumble sounds pretty darn cool

Not sure what the One controller haptics are fully capable of, but the haptic feedback in the DS4 sounds pretty wild.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvpCdtjTrAo

 

[kn1ves24]

Am I the only one that thinks the "rumble triggers" sound incredibly gimmicky? I obviously haven't used it so I have no idea what its like but to me it just sounds like a bit of annoyance. Not sure I want the trigger vibrating around when I hit the gas or the brake, or the trigger jolting when I take a shot. I somehow think it will be a feature that will be hyped up but forgotten by most devs.

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

My Opinion:

DS4 is a full featured controller for the next generation & Xbox One controller is a redesign controller from the previous generation.


DS4 has Touch , Motion Sensing , Visual Feedback , Audio Feedback. Directional Rumble .

& Xbox One controller has Rumble Triggers as it's big new feature.



I'm not sure why these things are being ignored.

These features are being ignored because we already know some of them get implemented in ways that diminish gameplay rather than enhance it. Motion gimmicks invaded the first few generations of PS3 games, almost none were good. Touch was used to gimmicky effect in Golden Abyss. I don't think many people loved those features. Visual feedback in the form of a blinking LED might be used as a subtle enhancement, but it could just as easily be a distracting nuisance. Audio feedback has some cool applications, but if it's just going to be low quality sounds coming out of your controller that could have come out of your TV or stereo, then I consider that a detriment, not an enhancement.

These features all have potential to be mildly interesting, but there's good reason to doubt that many developers will put them to optimal use.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Guerrilla said you can control the combat drone with the touchpad.

Blizzard said they want to use it for D3 inventory management.

Sucker Punch wants to use it for some kind of "finger scanning" minigame, but that sounded very gimmicky.

Other than that I haven't heard of anything, but I can imagine it will be great for UI navigation/browsing the web and stuff like that.

According to an Ubisoft article I read, the touchpad will be used for cell phone functionality in Watch Dogs.

http://www.psu.com/a019165/Watch-Dogs-will-Disrupt-the-industry-and-PS4-gamers-will-benefit-most

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Dual Shock 4 looks great.

 

[matrix-cat]

So what are they selling the charge kit for??

I'm not a battery scientist, but I think there's almost no chance of the Xbone controller charging anything but a Play & Charge Kit battery through USB. Most rechargeable AAs are Ni-Mh, while the P&C one is a lithium ion. Like you said, they wouldn't sell a $25 battery if you could just stick any old thing in there and have it charge.

 

[stargateheaven]

I'm not a battery scientist, but I think there's almost no chance of the Xbone controller charging anything but a Play & Charge Kit battery through USB. Most rechargeable AAs are Ni-Mh, while the P&C one is a lithium ion. Like you said, they wouldn't sell a $25 battery if you could just stick any old thing in there and have it charge.

exactly, so you cant charge the batteries like she says, it just turns it into a wired controller, except for if you use the charge kit.

by the way, the ps4 controller looks even better than i thought. i cant wait to see how comftable it is.

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

Am I the only one that thinks the "rumble triggers" sound incredibly gimmicky? I obviously haven't used it so I have no idea what its like but to me it just sounds like a bit of annoyance. Not sure I want the rigger vibrating around when I hit the gas or the brake, or the trigger jolting when I take a shot. I so0mehow think it will be a feature that will be hyped up but forgotten by most devs.

If it's used smartly and sparingly, I think it could add something to the experience that people didn't know they were missing. The recent X1 controller video with Major Nelson pointed out two applications that sounded good: a subtle rumble when you pull a trigger on a gun (and they can use different kinds of rumble feedback for different guns), or a pulsing rumble to reflect anti-lock braking in a racing game.

I don't know how common it will be, but the feature has the potential to transmit additional information to the player without distracting from what's on the screen. Of course, you can probably do those things with regular rumble, too, but it might be better if it's directly associated with the finger performing the action causing the rumble. We'll have to wait and see whether any of this really matters in practice.

 

[idrinkalone]

both look cute, but I prefer the xbone controller. the asymmetrical sticks won me over.

 

[ChosenPredator]

they both look great

In my opinion the X1 controller is sexier but all of that is just looks

it comes down to when i have them both in my hand to feel which one is better.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

I'm not a battery scientist, but I think there's almost no chance of the Xbone controller charging anything but a Play & Charge Kit battery through USB. Most rechargeable AAs are Ni-Mh, while the P&C one is a lithium ion. Like you said, they wouldn't sell a $25 battery if you could just stick any old thing in there and have it charge.

Yeah, that's how I imagine it'll work, battery pack in the play and charge kit is lithium ion.