RumblePuff
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7 million sounds like a lot of units considering Sony announced over 1 million pre orders and can't guarantee them anymore.
Is he being serious when he talks about accents? In the UK, you only need travel 25 miles up the road to hear widely different accents, broad Lancastrian, Yorkshire, Souse, Mancs, then onto Geordies, Cockney's, Brummies etc.
Edit - of course that could just mean Kinect cannot understand the strong British regional accents, whereas a living, breathing human can often tell the difference from town to town, nevermind whole regions.
Microsoft has recently lowered its Xbox One shipment forecast for 2013 from seven million units originally to 6.2 million due to poor yield rates of the device's camera module, optical disc drive (ODD) and related assembly, according to a Chinese-language Economic Daily News (EDN) report citing market watchers.
Related upstream suppliers such as Global Unichip, Nuvoton Technology and Newmax, are expected to be impacted by the lower shipments, the report added.
Wow. My grip on truthfulness was that tenuous?
Perhaps, it could be taken at face value that we are telling the truth. I havent been up here posting spin or BS. Ive been pushing hard to be transparent in how we talk about whats going on with the platform. And Im clear when I cant comment on things.
Yet, somehow since this truth doesnt jibe with the popular belief online, we are being dishonest. I get that weve had a rough few months, but at some point Id like to think we get the benefit of the doubt, at least on things that make sense logically. You know, Occams Razor and such.
Heres truth:
There never has been any sort of yield or performance issues with our GPU/ESRAM/KINECT/ETC. Its simply not true, and Ive heard the rumors online so often I actually went to the silicon engineers to ask them again. Our HW program (knock-on-wood) has been on schedule and again, weve had the opportunity to increase performance even later in the program. You dont have yield issues then upgrade the clock speed by 6%. Again, simple logic here.
Second, if we were having yield issues why did our country delay not include markets like the US, Canada, or UK? Those represent the vast majority of our volumes. Anyone can look at GFK Chart-Track and see the volumes in the regions that slipped. Heres an assignment for the GAF Detectives: go look at historical sell-thru rates of consoles by region, then tell me what percentage of global consoles sales were represented by those affected markets. (hint: its a small percentage). Each and every region is important to us, dont get me wrong, but anyone can look at those numbers and deduce it has nothing to do with volume.
Im going to state it again, just like I said here and to OXM: The delay was localization related. Besides needing local language support, we also need to prop-up local Live, Apps, a Marketplace, and a variety of other services. We bundle that together as localization in messaging, but there is more to shipping in a region then text and voice translation. The offset to that, like weve said, X1 is region free and while thats slightly more inconvenient, it will still allow people in the local countries to enjoy launch. Again, not something wed be promoting if we were having issues with volume.
Im certainly not going to change everyones mind, I get that. And I know there is tendency to believe there are many more diabolical things going on behind the scenes. In this case, we are being fully transparent. And FYI we passed FCC certification back in early summer, before PS4.
Lastly anything that was shown on a box, was shown on near-final retail HW. Our Dev Kits and Retail Units are the same.
Albert spoonful of sugar Penello
Doubt it looks like something related though since it has the dual band ant.
I think 6.2 million is a pretty great launch number. How big were previous launches (global initial allocation estimates)?
The Chinese reports and FCC certs seriously deserve their own thread. Alas, my babby Junior status does not allow me to create threads. Can someone make one?
I think 6.2 million is a pretty great launch number. How big were previous launches (global initial allocation estimates)?
Interesting, hard to disregard this and other insiders posts over someone high up at Microsoft who will obviously not admit any situations as serious as this.
Yeah for just 2 months of sale it does sound like too much. Still though I think Sony just stopped guaranteeing pre-orders for day 1 and still have regular PS4's for sale at every retailer.7 million sounds like a lot of units considering Sony announced over 1 million per orders and can't guarantee them anymore.
Thats just speculation. If they had more units, they'd meet their original launch plans.
I think Cboat was right. I cant wait to hear about the next gen red ring if there is going to be one this year.
Thanks for the clarifications. Sadly, a lot of people here will choose to not believe you and will keep repeating the same bullshit because, you know, Microsoft is the devil.
This. People want to cover their ears and act as if something fishy isn't going on. I'm sure Albert is a great guy, but coming in here and trying to feed us information especially after the mess with the Astroturfers isn't doing him any favors. Now we have these reports too? Yeah, I'm taking everything he says with a grain of salt until launch or more clarifications from other sources.
You provide three links with the same source. Ok. Close the thread, MS is lying.
Way to demonstrate the unreliability of internet news by providing 3 links that rehash 1 source. But if you're going to believe everything posted on digitimes, I guess you believe the PS4 is having shipment problems too
Ahem...
http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/2013/8/27/microsoft_lowers_xbox_one_shipment_forecast.htm
CBOAT strikes again.
And again the same source.
Way to demonstrate the unreliability of internet news by providing 3 links that rehash 1 source. But if you're going to believe everything posted on digitimes, I guess you believe the PS4 is having shipment problems too
It's not "reports" it is one report citing anonymous "market watchers"
You provide three links with the same source. Ok. Close the thread, MS is lying.
You can acknowledge that third parties are now reporting on the yield, including sources actually physically near to the production site, or you can try to act smug. Your loss, really.
That doesn't say the source is Digitimes.And again the same source.
It's not "reports" it is one report citing anonymous "market watchers"
Way to demonstrate the unreliability of internet news by providing 3 links that rehash 1 source. But if you're going to believe everything posted on digitimes, I guess you believe the PS4 is having shipment problems too
Wait, so you actually believe Sony will have 16 million consoles in 2013? Or did you just not read what the article actually said?Sony's PlayStation (PS) 4 may have trouble achieving shipments of 12-16 million units in 2013 as expected, as the related upstream supply chain has not yet received any shipment instructions from the Japan-based vendor, implying a possible delay in the game console's mass shipment schedule, according to sources from the upstream supply chain.
That doesn't say the source is Digitimes.
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Wait, so you actually believe Sony will have 16 million consoles in 2013? Or did you just not read what the article actually said?
That doesn't say the source is Digitimes.
No, the EDN is the source for all of those articles. Their source in turn is listed as "market watchers"
No, I don't believe it. My point is that you don't believe that article, but you choose to believe the EDN article even though they both cite anonymous sources
Yeah I see now, all EDN, I don't see the problem keit does though.That article is word for word the same thing written in the Digitimes article. They just didn't source Digitimes.
Hey guys - I know this is crazy, but won't we KNOW if there are supply constraints in about 2.5 months?
What we really need to know about are design weaknesses that may affect failure rates. Other than that, all will be known relatively shortly.
Welp, I think we may have run Albert off. I thought for sure he would have at least commented on those news stories.
I agree, all those links are from the same source, but the news is starting to spread, now to at least 4 sites that have been linked in this thread. I think Microsoft would like to get out in front of this story.
Actually, (this is the a ha moment) maybe that is exactly what Microsoft was doing by releasing this little "interview" with Albert Penello in the first place. It is a strange coincidence that OXM releases the information about the "REAL" reason for the delay, then this story breaks the same afternoon claiming it is something different.
Hmmmmm, dat twist.
Welp, I think we may have run Albert off. I thought for sure he would have at least commented on those news stories.
Dude, please.....Thanks for the clarifications. Sadly, a lot of people here will choose to not believe you and will keep repeating the same bullshit because, you know, Microsoft is the devil.
I would also add MS denying the RROD fiasco for quite some time to that list
That was bad
Hey guys - I know this is crazy, but won't we KNOW if there are supply constraints in about 2.5 months?
What we really need to know about are design weaknesses that may affect failure rates. Other than that, all will be known relatively shortly.
Dude, please.....
I see how all Xbox Supporters here on gaf are saluting/quoting him etc.
But are you really wondering why a lot of people don't believe anything what he/MS says?
Have you listened to all the MS statements in the last couple of months, since the XBone unveil?
Have you heard that "Powah of the Cloud = 40x Xbox360" crap?
Have you seen the "Angry Joe/Major Nelson" incident?
Have you seen the "...Mattrick/buy a Xbox 360" video?
Have you seen that tweet of Aaron Greenberg regarding the XBone delay in europe, minutes prior the Xbone delay announcement?
Have you seen the "deal with it / why would I live there" tweet of the (now ex) MS exployee Adam Orth.
Have you seen the fake Kinect presentation during the XBone/E3 conference, with the clicker/switch inside the pocket/hands of the MS employee, showing us how "fast" Kinect reacts?
Remember all the DRM stuff a couple of months ago?
Remember the NSA stuff from their main department?
Should I go on with my list?
And now I have to believe what "MS PR guy" Albert Penello says, just because Microsoft has sent him and all the other PR guys to Neogaf, Reddit, Beyond3D, etc. to repair what they have damaged in the last couple of months?
Sorry, NO!
I have to believe all the other news sites in china, USA, europe, etc. which are telling us what we already suggested (after the europe delay, lesser launch units compared to the PS4, no released date 3 months before launch, etc.) -> they have some issues with their hardware.
As a main Xbox360 gamer this gen -> No I don't believe them and there are a lot of reasons why!
Maybe if it was his job (or someone's job), MS wouldn't have made the ass-tacular mistakes in the early launch.Or maybe posting on GAF isn't really what he does all day at his job.
Lists. Awesome.
Penello, you do not get the benefit of the doubt. Ever. In business remember one thing, 'always assume they are lying to you. They ALWAYS lie to you'.
Trust is earned. You need to earn it. You have provided no evidence for your claims.
salty, but tastyDude, please.....
I see how all Xbox Supporters here on gaf are saluting/quoting him etc.
But are you really wondering why a lot of people don't believe anything what he/MS says?
Have you listened to all the MS statements in the last couple of months, since the XBone unveil?
Have you heard that "Powah of the Cloud = 40x Xbox360" crap?
Have you seen the "Angry Joe/Major Nelson" incident?
Have you seen the "...Mattrick/buy a Xbox 360" video?
Have you seen that tweet of Aaron Greenberg regarding the XBone delay in europe, minutes prior the Xbone delay announcement?
Have you seen the "deal with it / why would I live there" tweet of the (now ex) MS exployee Adam Orth.
Have you seen the fake Kinect presentation during the XBone/E3 conference, with the clicker/switch inside the pocket/hands of the MS employee, showing us how "fast" Kinect reacts?
Have you seen their "204 GB/s ESRAM bandwith nonsense?
Remember all the DRM stuff a couple of months ago?
Remember the NSA stuff from their main department?
Should I go on with my list?
And now I have to believe what "MS PR guy" Albert Penello says, just because Microsoft has sent him and all the other PR guys to Neogaf, Reddit, Beyond3D, etc. to repair what they have damaged in the last couple of months?
Sorry, NO!
I have to believe all the other news sites in china, USA, europe, etc. which are telling us what we already suggested (after the europe delay, lesser launch units compared to the PS4, no released date 3 months before launch, etc.) -> they have some issues with their hardware.
As a main Xbox360 gamer this gen -> No I don't believe them and there are a lot of reasons why!
Well, before another Xbox fan tries to uselessly paint me as a Sony fanboy, I'm glad that the Xbox One has seemingly already cleared the FCC on the low, and at least has a projection of 6.2 million. Yield issues aside, that's a very respectable number of consoles, assuming this number even extends past the holiday rush. Gonna be a very crazy shopping season.
How come whenever I read a comment like that, I look at the profile and there is nothing there except a single PSN name?
There is no evidence in the contrary, it's all baseless speculation.