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[Odoul]

After 10 years and many tries I am finally getting into Devil May Cry. Being patient and looking at patterns is actually clicking and I made further than I ever had. Everything is cool except for one thing.

What kind of shit for brains thought limited continues and making you start a mission all the way over was a good idea?

It's the boss that's kicking my ass, don't waste my time and make me run through the entire level of respawning enemies for that!

Do the sequels get rid of this junk?

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Look at this scrub-ass OP

 

[alr1ght]

Gaffer May Cry

 

[Dragon]

Odoul 4 Detroit post of the week.

 

[BigDug13]

My God man. I read that title 4 times before I could decipher it. I kept reading lives like "he lives to fight another day" instead of "insert quarter for 3 lives."

 

[Aeana]

EDIT: Oh, I finally understand what the title means.

 

[krYlon]

Puppeteer has something like this doesn't it?

 

[Malajax]

Get better at the game, OP?

 

[Bit-Bit]

How does Metroid crouch?!?!

 

[Coldnoodle]

I have absolutely no idea what the title is saying. Please clarify.

Lives and continues should have been scrapped after the SNES/Genesis era basically.

 

[Zee-Row]

Someone is not very good at games lol!

 

[Red Rudolph]

While we're at it, let's get rid of life-bars in fighting games. I always lose, and I'd rather not lose anymore.

 

[Brainiac 8]

I actually did understand what you were saying with the title, and in most cases I agree.

With the exception being Mario, because that 1-up jingle is too iconic and I wants it. Considering Mario games pretty much hand out 1-ups like candy, Nintendo obviously agrees with you.

 

[Aeana]

Lives and continues should have been scrapped after the SNES/Genesis era basically.

Got it and edited the title.

 

[Bit-Bit]

Prince of Persia got rid of it in 2008 and the hate was stupid.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Lives and continues should have been scrapped after the SNES/Genesis era basically.

This should be the new title

 

[Bishop89]

You wont get better if the game doesnt punish you somehow.

 

[Sinatar]

It's a holdover from the arcade days and died a deserving death (for the most part).

 

[alr1ght]

They're a biproduct of arcade games, which were even harsher.

 

[meppi]

As an arcade gamer at heart, I can't say I agree with this at all.

edit ^ hehe

 

[Max Knight]

How does Metroid crouch?!?!

In all seriousness, lives and continues absolutely have a place in modern gaming. If anything, the constant checkpoint-coddling is what makes me hate most modern games.

Being forced to replay the entire area to get back to where you were is your incentive to not die.

*Credit for the image goes to NeoGAF user Brinstar, if memory serves me.

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

No risk. No fun.

 

[Zoc]

They make it easier to understand success and failure states, so I don't have a problem with them. The Assassin's Creed games might have been better with a system like this.

 

[WhoaIsThatMars]

Is OP 15?

 

[andymcc]

It's a holdover from the arcade days and died a deserving death (for the most part).

So wrong.

 

[dacuk]

Be a better player, problem solved.

 

[Htown]

Look at this scrub-ass OP

I know, right?

Kids these days.

 

[nubbe]

 

[Orayn]

They're just another tool used to balance game difficulty, and any tool can be misused. You not liking their application in one game doesn't make them bad or obsolete.

 

[Takamura-San]

This is basically a Negative vs Positive reinforcement feedback thread.

I for one believe that it depends on the game. For me gameovers to title screen are basically legacy policies been dragged from the arcade era. I rather have meatboy and many other games that basically respawn you directly to checkpoint. I ain't got time for gameover screens.

 

[Coxswain]

I really, really, really wish there were more games in the modern day that had Lives and Continues.

Very few games these days hit the happy middle ground between "Keep trying, all you want, with absolutely no pressure, because you'll never lose any progress, at all" and "If you fuck up once, you lose eeeeeeeverything (at least all the way back to a save point".


Their inclusion is a pretty big part of why Monster Hunter and Lost Planet 2 are some of my favourite games in the modern era.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

 

[poopninjamvc3mk]

Not the type of post I ever expected from a regular member on Neogaf. Seems like something a junior or someone on gamefaqs would create.

 

[PixyJunket]

"Press Triangle to Win."

 

[Ban Puncher]

If rudds can do it then so can you.

 

[Silky]

DMC1? The hardest DMC?

Get better at the game, OP

 

[davepoobond]

It's a holdover and I agree with it for the most part. But it depends how they do it if they do implement it.

 

[Green Wiggly]

Once you've played one video game, you've played them all.

 

[PixyJunket]

David Cave thread?

David Cage thread.

 

[ToxicAdam]

If you don't have that moment (or several moments) where you throw down the controller and scream FUCK at the top of your lungs, then winning won't feel as sweet.

It's science.

 

[Tain]

yes, all 2D action games should basically be super meat boy and stuff like muchi muchi pork and hard corps uprising are bad games with bad game design

i'm about to suffocate in vomit, brb

 

[Black Door]

Lives and continues are pointless outside of quarter munching arcades, yes, but getting rid of them shouldn't allow you to scrub it up.

Spoiler

GIT GUD

 

[MagnaderAlpha]

How about this? Not every game should be limited to the same trope, concept and play mechanics just for the sake of making them all the same? Some games are fine with multiple lives and continues, others are best without them. It's all about what works over trying to conform everything to the way you "think" things should be.

 

[Sorral]

Sorry OP, but I don't practically remember the game being that hard and you still have the option to save at every mission regardless of the continue numbers.

It had some clunky controls especially if you were coming from playing DMC3 first, but I honestly don't remember it being hard and the game might as well play itself if there wasn't any kind of punishment for losing/dying.

 

[ban25]

I'm currently working on an S-rank playthrough of DMC1 on Hard, and it's very rewarding. I beat DMC3 five times on the PS2 and once more on the PS3 remake. The challenge is central to what makes these games enjoyable and re-playable. You may be frustrated now, but if you stick with it, you'll come to appreciate the challenge.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

How about this? Not every game should be limited to the same trope, concept and play mechanics just for the sake of making them all the same? Some games are fine with multiple lives and continues, others are best without them. It's all about what works over trying to conform everything to the way you "think" things should be.

Bingo.

 

[Dark Octave]

My God man. I read that title 4 times before I could decipher it. I kept reading lives like "he lives to fight another day" instead of "insert quarter for 3 lives."

I thought it meant characters from the SNES and Genesis era that have overlived their usefullness?

Anyway, yeah I came to agree with OP, once I understood what he was trying to say.

How about this? Not every game should be limited to the same trope, concept and play mechanics just for the sake of making them all the same? Some games are fine with multiple lives and continues, others are best without them. It's all about what works over trying to conform everything to the way you "think" things should be.

Or even hide it better. For instance, a side scrolling shooter that grants you three lives could be three health "chips" instead. But in the end you are actually right. Every game is different.

 

[infinityBCRT]

If the game was designed for lives and continues, they do have a place. That being said, some games do it better than others.

 

[old manatee]

Just get a console and play modern AAA games.

 

[DigitalOp]

Spoiler

Lol OP. Recycled post is recycled