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Hey, how come Sony didn't invest in any big 3rd party exclusives?
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schwabdizzle
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Sony has been all about 1st part games for a long time. Sure MS has Titanfall, but all that really tells me is that most of their first party studios are either behind on their titles, or have nothing to show at this time. Plus they are a more expensive console so they are trying to use these 3rd party exclusives as a way to justify the price difference.
What is your problem
Alas, looks aren't everything my friend. Super mario is testament to that.
SniperHunter
Banned
Great point. If it wasn't for Ryse, Dead Rising 3 and Titanfall their launch and launch window lineup would look really weak.
And look what they showed at E3 - A cg trailer for Halo, CG trailer for a new game by a new studio (black tusk?!) and cut scenes from Remedy's new game
You seem to be already under the assumption that Knack and Driveclub will be poorly reviewed and games like Ryse and Dead Rising will be highly reviewed. (And I am assuming Titanfall WILL be highly reviewed so let's get that out of the way now)
But we really don't know yet. Did people shit on PGR this badly when it was announced?
The only reason people bring Driveclub into the discussion as a bad game is because MS moved Forza from a 360 game to an XBO launch game.
SporeCrawler
Member
i doubt it will outsell pokemon but if you say so
H_Prestige
Banned
No matter how much MS beats their chest about it, most people aren't going to care about dr3, ryse, or titanfall either. Especially when the latter is available on 360 as well. The difference is that Sony spent pennies on those indie games in comparison, so even if they don't become the next Journey, it's not big loss.
And as far as AAA games go, they do have the new From Software game by Miyazaki, which could be considered third party depending on how you look at it.
Pretty sure no one here will be able to name any.
Uno Venova
Banned
I don't see what's wrong with Driveclub or Killzone. Those look like they could be two great launch games. We don't know how any of these games are going to end up on launch though.
Some how Indy games are different than other games? I guess Heavy Rain is an indy game as well....
There is no difference between AAA and Indy. Indies can create games on par with AAA games with substantially less money to work with. Sure they may not have the best graphics, but that has never made a shitty game worth playing.
Krusenstern
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It didn't you idiot. I recently played through Witcher 1 and it was an excellent RPG. Apart from the rough voice acting and animations it was a very good game. Interesting story, lively characters and game world. One of the best RPGs I ever played.
BruiserBear
Banned
Yes, I'm making a very safe assumption both Knack and Driveclub is not going to review well, and they're definitely not going to sell well. Titanfall on the other hand is going to do both, so it begs the question, what good is owning a studio like Evolution when they produce games very few people care about?
That is why I don't really give a shit how a publisher like Microsoft acquires the rights to a game like Titanfall. I just know I want to play it, and I can't do that on my PS4.
Please note I didn't mention Killzone in my post. I think that's going to a very solid launch title.
Knack and Driveclub are the two games that just irritate me to no end though, as they just seem like a waste of money IMO. No one gives a shit about these games. Well, almost no one, and they're going to get very mediocre review scores.
Naw id rather the people at evolution keep their jobs.
velociraptor
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Deep Down perhaps?
Demon Souls 2?
Agent?
Demon Souls 2?
Agent?
Nobody cares about those, according to the OP. We're playing by his rules.
You act like Titanfall won't be on PS4, your post would have worked better with Dead Rising 3 or Ryse.
I think it's interesting that people on both sides of this debate are saying 'Sony's is investing in first party studios instead'.
Didn't Sony just come out at Gamescom and talk about how they're working with 50 external teams on exclusive games? i.e. non-first party?
I'm sure that amounts to a non-negligible investment. Sure, some of it is small scale - stuff like Housemarque or Honeyslug. But some of it is larger - RaD or Quantic Dream. I doubt Sony's external pub and funding activities are any smaller than Microsoft's.
Deals like Titanfall are another matter - like I said earlier, it's the only actual third party title being talked about here.
Didn't Sony just come out at Gamescom and talk about how they're working with 50 external teams on exclusive games? i.e. non-first party?
I'm sure that amounts to a non-negligible investment. Sure, some of it is small scale - stuff like Housemarque or Honeyslug. But some of it is larger - RaD or Quantic Dream. I doubt Sony's external pub and funding activities are any smaller than Microsoft's.
Deals like Titanfall are another matter - like I said earlier, it's the only actual third party title being talked about here.
Are we sure about this? because if it is then that's a really big exclusive for the PS4.
That speaks more on where SE is as a company then Sony
gundamkyoukai
Member
What is wrong with drive club if any thing i bet it will sell more than RYSE , Insomniac game and DR3 thanks to EU .
Titanfall looks great but it is also on PC and 360 so people having other options to get it .
Lol Kind of a big assumption there that Titanfall is gonna do both..
Askherserenity
Member
They obviously have a better list of 1st party games compared to Microsoft and should be throwing money at those. Also, who needs big(bad) 3rd party exclusives when you have this?
Titanfall's not a launch game so you should be comparing it to something like Infamous SS.
Ok but you failed to mention Ryse and Dead Rising. Let me ask it this way:
Will Driveclub, Knack, and Killzone receive higher reviews than Ryse, Forza, and Dead Rising?
Will Titanfall be reviewed higher than inFamous Second Son? (Maybe evenly reviewed is a possibility on this one)
And ultimately when the dust settles, those Sony studios will already be plugging away on their next game while Microsoft tries to buy another exclusive.
And then a year later, PS4 owners will be playing Titanfall.
XBONE can keep that POS game Ryse. Lol
Mass Effect
Member
Knack, fine, but what's wrong with DriveClub exactly? And evolution is a good studio so I don't know what you're trying to get at there.
And we could easily say that the money used to fund something like Ryse or DR3 could be used to create and fund internal studios. This street goes both ways you know.
Woo-Fu
Banned
They don't need to. They out-studio Microsoft across the board.
Silphonica
Banned
3rd party developers are still not irrelevant, in a console market where most of the 3rd party developers are on every console, competition should be reaching out to try obtain as many exclusives as possible. By increasing a larger demand for your install base with a wider range of exclusives first + third party, you inadvertently will create a larger possibility of selling more first party titles.
Exclusives for first party and third party go hand and hand, so no, third party is not irrelevant.
Also, naughtydog games might have sold well, which is great. I hate ND and their games. But thats not an argument for this thread, but if you want compare as to which first party developer made the most money for one console, ND do not win.
Uno Venova
Banned
Along with Titanfall, inFamous is a 2014 game that has potential to sell and review very well. And I definitely disagree about Driveclub getting mediocre scores, Evolution is a good developer. Infamous, Killzone and Driveclub all have to potential to be well reviewed games like DR3, Forza 5 and Titanfall do.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Did you not read what Yoshida has said or even Andrew House regarding their First Party games? They've been on record saying multiple times that their studio's are all working on PS4 titles and when they have something to show they will. Why rush out a product and spend extra money to secure a timed exclusive for millions of dollars instead of giving that money to your developers who deserve is and can under their supervison, pump out a game that everyone might want.
Sony isn't desperate and that's what your confusing here. As someone else said, Microsoft did that to justify the price but in the long run, if it becomes multi platform what would all that money benefit them in the end? Nothing.. They could of used that millions to invest in a studio just like respawn to do a game just as big that would be a guaranteed Xbox 1 exclusive and made it a must have.
One big Western exclusive. Several Eastern exclusives. Apparently two from Sega via the Sonic deal.
SniperHunter
Banned
hey quit with the personal insults!
Game was a complete waste of time. It was broken as well! I remember Jeff Green on GFWL radio podcast praising the game initially, then he reached that insane wolf boy boss fight and quit playing the game. That boss fight was fucking impossible before they patched the game! And the game had insane amount of back tracking! I just got fed up of going back and fourth between towns & dungeons and uninstalled the game @ chapter 4.
Witcher 2 did away with all the non sense backtracking, as a result it was a lot better but it ended abruptly.
Ok maybe irrelevant isn't the right word. Let me put it another way.
Third party buyouts of individual titles is not as good of an investment as spending the same money on having a wealth of internal studios. Paying for third party exclusives is what companies do when they can't compete in first party offerings.
I have a dumb stupid prediction of what that is, but it's so dumb and stupid that I'm just going to keep it to myself.
If it happens though, damn am I going to give myself a cookie.
Crimson_Gold
Member
You can tell me. I won't judge you
That's my major point, I think some still think of indies as mobile devs and such, not 'real' devs, whatever that means.
But as the power of systems increase, dev tools become more comprehensive, and getting your games on systems becomes routine, I see indies titles being equivalent in scope to £20-£30 titles on previous gens.
Today, very few arcade racers, platformers, shoot-'em-ups etc., could justify a £40-£50 price tag, yet for the previous 25 years, these were the staples of consoles gaming. It' such genres that indies will make their own, and put a new spin on these old ideas.
With that statement established all you need to do is add
long term investment in teams > short term investment in specific games
and you have a winning formula.
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