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TGS Forza 5: Severe Visual Degradation? No, Uncalibrated TVs, No Geek Squad Available
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So if I get my hand on a Devkit Firmware & hack it I can unlock the all 14 CU's?
Beerman462
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Is MS's house of cards coming down?
Guys, I think BlimBlim is a third party with no vested interest in this matter. I think a lot of us would agree. Can we take his word for it and put this thread to rest?
That makes no sense considering all the big titles have been shown on the PS4. How can you not know what's going on with these titles? MS doesn't have communication with third parties about showcasing X1 version of the games? It's a console launch.
Monty Mole
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I'll play it at EE on Thurs and report back!
Guys, I think BlimBlim is a third party with no vested interest in this matter. I think a lot of us would agree. Can we take his word for it and put this thread to rest?
It doesn't mean there wasn't a downgrade from the E3 demo though. But honestly unless it was something huge like a resolution change or no antialiasing anymore, the visual difference between Prague and Laguna Seca is so huge it would be very difficult to tell...
Parapraxis
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Surely MS has plenty of communications about showcasing games on XB1, however expecting Albert Penello to know the reasons as to why/why not games are being shown on final XB1 hardware is a bit of a stretch.
Whether or not 3rd party devs have content to show on XB1 relies on them, almost entirely.
MS, and people working for MS, cannot force devs to build demos for the XB1 HW.
ConteZero76
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The only thing I see in that video is that turn10 are huge J.J.Abrams fans.
I don't buy the "Blim defense" aka broken camera theory, the colors funk out on screen but the visible black screen border and green wall aren't affected. I think it's just a bug in the demo, which is honest-to-god to be expected since it's an old demo, the project is in major crunch time right now, and the platform is still a bit in flux. No biggie.
I do buy the calibration explanation for the worse visuals, but wonder what that means for the average joe and their horribly misconfigured TV sets come console launch.
I do buy the calibration explanation for the worse visuals, but wonder what that means for the average joe and their horribly misconfigured TV sets come console launch.
Also, since I apparently need to fulfil my syswars quota: I fart in your general direction, you subhuman dingleberry-munching console hillbillies. PC fo life yo.
Surprised at this potential "downgrade" to be honest.
I'm not getting an Xbox so it doesn't bother me but I do quite like Forza and it has to be worrying for people who are getting one seeing more possible bad news.
This thread was already put to bed, the game is still the same, no downgrade
Anticitizen One
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Think its strange that it's so hard to find recent Forza footage online and no footage of the tgs build. Almost all the youtube vids are from e3
iamshadowlark
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I said it was either a bug, or a camera issue. And you're right it's most likely a bug, absolutely. And it didn't happen all the time and/or on all demo setups, since I don't see this bug in our own footage from the TGS.
I think most of the 'worrying' being done in here isn't being done by people planning on getting an Xbox One.Surprised at this potential "downgrade" to be honest.
I'm not getting an Xbox so it doesn't bother me but I do quite like Forza and it has to be worrying for people who are getting one seeing more possible bad news.
Interesting! May be I missed this (wasn't a member of Gaf back then, though I was following it)
Could he have been referring to Forza? Was this brought up in any thread? Since Rushy has a horse in this race, as much as I love the guy, I'd prefer hearing from someone else.
The offscreen footage being shown seems to be the same demo they were showing on a stream a bit ago.
Here's the direct feed gameplay from the stream (aliasing is worse than it should be due to video compression I think).
Here's the direct feed gameplay from the stream (aliasing is worse than it should be due to video compression I think).
Since when was actual hardware available at E3 ? No retail X1 were being produced at that time.
Definitely a bug or something wrong with the camera. I have raw footage from the TGS and it doesn't have this issue at all.
I was told by the guy who did our footage at the show that he had footage from the Spa track, and I reported it on the Forza thread here. When he uploaded, it turned out it was Laguna Seca, leading to a few disappointed (to say the least
Could be the TV itself, I know my TV freaks out sometimes its one of those dynamic settings.
I think most of the 'worrying' being done in here isn't being done by people planning on getting an Xbox One.
Well, I'm getting an xbox one eventually. I'm interested to know everything about it - positive or negative. As a consumer, I don't want to wear blinders. Since you seem quick to judge the motives of people either worrying or involved in criticism, please feel free to judge me as well.
'Most'.Well, I'm getting an xbox one eventually. I'm interested to know everything about it - positive or negative. As a consumer, I don't want to wear blinders. Since you seem quick to judge the people either worrying or involved in criticism, please feel free to judge me as well.
Since E3.
I find it extremely hard to believe that there has been any visual downgrade; Forza is one of the games that has been confirmed to be running on hardware at all public showings so there is no logical reason it would be. All that has happened since E3 has been the upclocks.
I would think this is either that there was some monitor set up issue, just the fact that the Prague track shown at E3 is naturally more visually stunning than the other plainer tracks being shown now, or some combination of the two.
I would think this is either that there was some monitor set up issue, just the fact that the Prague track shown at E3 is naturally more visually stunning than the other plainer tracks being shown now, or some combination of the two.
They had early hardware units from E3 onwards - you can see them in photographs and videos with Forza, Killer Instinct, FIFA 14, I think Ryse too. The only titles not on actual hardware at E3 as far as I know were Lococycle (which they hadn't started porting to X1 yet) and Dead Rising 3.
SatansReverence
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What is this?
Look at APs tag. Look at his post history.
He does in fact work at MS and is actually one of the higher ups...
eso76
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I was horrified when i read the thread title and thought that's why T10 has released barely any media.
But then i saw this is an "article" commenting the TGS demo, which is exactly the same as Gamescom and Pax demo..
the only downgrade there was is the track is the rather dull looking Laguna Seca instead of Prague.
Reminder: Prague was also playable on final hardware at Gamescom, last month, looking exactly the same as it did at E3.
One thing to keep in mind though.
Prague demo was showing only one car on the track, and might have used better AA, since FM4 also bumps up AA when only your car is on the track.
But then i saw this is an "article" commenting the TGS demo, which is exactly the same as Gamescom and Pax demo..
the only downgrade there was is the track is the rather dull looking Laguna Seca instead of Prague.
Reminder: Prague was also playable on final hardware at Gamescom, last month, looking exactly the same as it did at E3.
One thing to keep in mind though.
Prague demo was showing only one car on the track, and might have used better AA, since FM4 also bumps up AA when only your car is on the track.
That's a vague qualifier. You are saying 'most' so that when any specific person calls you out, you can always say you didn't direct it towards them. The topic is about an alleged downgrade and people should be free to discuss it without accusation of what their motives are.
So on the current subject, what are your thoughts? Anything you would like to share, for or against the alleged downgrade from E3 (not Gamescom)?
So why do the folks at MS let incorrect rumours fester? Why not shoot them down as soon as they appear (or at least, before they gather serious momentum) with straight-from-the-source facts?
MS must have people constantly monitoring popular gaming sites and forums. Why let threads get to 50+ pages of incandescent rage based on incorrect rumours?
Miles Quaritch
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Any comparison vids showing the severe visual degradation?
There is nothing to show.
Daffy Duck
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Because Microsoft do not comment on rumour or speculation.
Blimblim maybe some quality 1080p footage ? Pretty please
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watched posted video from TGS.
- lighting glitches occasionally.
- camera gives to much blurr.
- Noticeable aliasing on road lines. Imo they are using some MLAA variant. Most of stuff doesn't have aliasing where few lines have.
In summary need better video quality.
edit:
watched posted video from TGS.
- lighting glitches occasionally.
- camera gives to much blurr.
- Noticeable aliasing on road lines. Imo they are using some MLAA variant. Most of stuff doesn't have aliasing where few lines have.
In summary need better video quality.
Miles Quaritch
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I see. So the story is garbage? Seems a title change is in order if it is.
dragonelite
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See turn10 this what you get when you dont even drip fed people with footage.
And this next gen launch never knew it could get so disappointing with downgrades everywhere.
And this next gen launch never knew it could get so disappointing with downgrades everywhere.
Already disproved in this very thread.
Blimblim maybe some quality 1080p footage ? Pretty please
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watched posted video from TGS.
- lighting glitches occasionally.
- camera gives to much blurr.
- Noticeable aliasing on road lines. Imo they are using some MLAA variant. Most of stuff doesn't have aliasing where few lines have.
In summary need better video quality.
Our unreleased TGS footage was the first done with a new camera, and it wasn't as well setup as it could have been, so it's not really good enough for release, especially if it will be used to assess the image quality of the game.
But since it's the same build as Gamescom, you can check these videos:
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_gc_more_forza_5-14500_en.html
I don't know your posts in particular, so no, I'm not comfortable in directing that towards you in particular.
Perhaps if there was better reason to be 'worried', I might be less inclined to think a lot of the people jumping to agree are doing so without much genuine concern.
I've shared my thoughts before in this thread.
Imo even from low quality video i didn't saw anything to justify headline.
bit rougher selfshadows, few glitches and AA braking on road lines. Normal thing in development imo.
Aussie Legend
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Conventions are not the best place to gauge quality of a game, we all know this. I'm sure Forza 5 is doing fine
Thing is they are reporting it from TGS build. Naturally devs do use sometimes same builds for different shows but we can't really know if it is new build or gamescom build.
I might believe Panello but dude has media-core credibility.
Imo i think it is just overreaction or just dude really didn't like glitches.
things like AA, glitches and AA are most of the time ironed at the end of development. Resolution is what can't be changed so easily at the end and that article points that there is something going on with IQ beside jaggies.
lol, also the first thing I saw.
There is no TGS build, it's exactly the same build that was used at Gamescom, TGS (that much I know for sure since I have footage from both) and PAX (most likely, at least)
And before see this as a conspiracy or whatever, here is what our TGS footage looks like:
Not exactly something we'd be proud to ever release. The focus was done on the screens pixel, hence the moiré pattern, and recorded in 1440x1080i instead of 1080p60...
Well, if people claim that one of their favorite games looks severely downgraded, I think there's reason to be worried, until someone not obviously biased can comment on it and allay fears. For me, BlimBlim's word is good enough, so I'm not worried anymore. Was just curious what this was all about.
I was curious, too, that's why I entered the thread. But then I see 'the evidence' for this supposed downgrade and laughed. Yet so many others were taking it as confirmation somehow.....
Prince Vultan
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This does not surprise me in the least. Abrams seems to love the smell of his own farts as well.
eso76
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T10 is racing to get the game ready for launch, they can't waste time releasing two different working builds of the same track.
Besides, why woudl they ?
Gamescom demo was running flawlessly on final xboxone hardware (as was E3 and Gamescom Prague demo) so what on earth could have forced them to downgrade anything ?
The truth is, there's two demos of FM5 and they are indeed different in a few areas as most people following the game's development already noticed.
Prague demo seen at E3 AND Gamescom
One car on the track
Old physics
Cube environment mapping on player's car
Tons of smoke from drifting etc.
Laguna Seca Demo seen at Gamescom, Pax, TGS
Four cars on the track
New physics
Simple environment mapping on all cars
Very little smoke from tires.
AA might be different as well: FM4 switches between 4XAA (one car on the track) and 2XAA (full grid) so Prague could be showing a better IQ.
Slayer-33
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