Fess
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My thought exactly. Ruins the whole game.
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TGS Forza 5: Severe Visual Degradation? No, Uncalibrated TVs, No Geek Squad Available
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Yeah, that's the funny part.
I was at TGS and saw both Drive Club and Forza, I have to say that my impression was Forza was the better looking game, I didn't notice any of the visual issues mentioned in the op. Drive club however seemed to be noticeably dropping frames and the cars edges didn't seem as clean and crisp, also the environments although densely populated seemed low poly, I remember the trees looking and animating quite poorly ( it was a forest stage, not sure the name).
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Shit. Looks closer to GT6, which is good and bad.
Nah, GT6 has legit lighting.
Warm Machine
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Maybe they just had the Xbox One set to a different resolution. The PAX build looked stunning so I highly doubt the game has changed.
Actually, he did point out a monitor problem.
Also, the Forza 5 product manager confirmed the monitor problem, not that it has been downgraded:
Google translate should give a sufficient translation of the above lines.
He points out the TV calibration problem in the booth. The "look like 720p" comment came from his time with it in the Press Room, not the booth, which he said was in worse condition than those at the booth. So while he did say it was "degraded" as compared to E3, he attributed all these to the fact that none of the Turn 10 staff were around to set things up.
What the writer was worried about wasn't the downgrade, but rather whether "Forza Film Speed" can make it to launch, and about the lack of information/details about the other announced features despite only having 2 months left until launch. He just finds it a shame that it wasn't set up properly.
Parapraxis
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Yeah.. Titanfall looks interesting, it'll come to PS4 (maybe even PS3), Dead Rising 3 is almost just as likely, Capcom, as we all know, likes money, other than that I think you'd be hard pressed to find a game on Xbox One as compelling or unique as Second Son or Shadow Fall which would make many un-able to resist buying an Xbox One.
Forza has been consistently boring, since it's inception, not that GT is much better, but there is a certain approach with GT, that Forza cannot replicate.
Driveclub is an anomaly right now, I loved the Motorstorm games, but not sure how "sim" I'd want Evolution Studios to go.
I would have been happier with a new Motorstorm, but from what I have seen from Driveclub, they are hitting a lot of the right notes.
I Stalk Alone
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The Colonial Marines Effect or The Deep Downgrade. I think if it goes to 720p just to stay at 60fps it is fair. If it makes the game feel better especially in a racing game I am all for it. when it comes to racing control comes first eye candy comes second.
What I am troubled about is if MS is doing this on purpose showing souped up demos to deceive the media and potential customers. It is like kinect all over again. This is one tiny reason I am getting xbone later as I just do not believe the lies and am taking a wait and see approach.
What I am troubled about is if MS is doing this on purpose showing souped up demos to deceive the media and potential customers. It is like kinect all over again. This is one tiny reason I am getting xbone later as I just do not believe the lies and am taking a wait and see approach.
ha, for so many different reasons
how the hell did Capcom manage to pull off such a damn good first trailer?
Parapraxis
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I cannot wait until Deep Down comes out and looks nearly identical to the initial trailers.
The crow, and hats will be eaten a plenty.
Albert Penello
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The build at TGS was the same build from Gamescom and PAX. Exactly the same.
Final game looks even better. But everyone is trying to ship, which is why most everything I saw at TGS was the same builds used at other shows.
Final game looks even better. But everyone is trying to ship, which is why most everything I saw at TGS was the same builds used at other shows.
Syphon Filter
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How come?
Zoramon089
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I can't wait until reality finally hits you. You might want to brace yourself
Syphon Filter
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it wont look like that at all.
On a side note, how can you really judge a downgrade based on that awfully compressed off screen YT video? Such videos are never good indicators of a games visuals irrespective of the platform or game. Doesn't help that the particular video linked is worse quality than most.
Doubt it'll ever look as good as that tech demo....key word...tech demo. But it will probably look good enough that no one cares. I'd imagine there will be games post launch cycle, and late cycle that do match and even best the visuals shown in that tech demo though. So all is not lost.
Doubt it'll ever look as good as that tech demo....key word...tech demo. But it will probably look good enough that no one cares. I'd imagine there will be games post launch cycle, and late cycle that do match and even best the visuals shown in that tech demo though. So all is not lost.
Parapraxis
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How....do you know this?
Honestly, elaborate, because you potentially have information which could change this entire thread.
Which conventions were you at, just how GOOD will the final build be?
gimme that insider sauce bro!
EDIT: haha i Still await that sauce.
recklesscognition
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I cleaned up the google version a bit and posted on page 3, should be close to accurate. You can see he mentioned the monitor, something about other modes not being shown, and the film speed.
Khalifa Jayy
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People are actually comparing this game to Drive Club? That looks like crap, to be honest... This coupled with the fact that almost no multiplatform game has been shown running on Xbone hardware is somewhat alarming. Might just flip my pre-order console for some extra PS4 funds.
For a second I thought there was some dynamic lighting going on. lol What's going on with that?
famousmortimer
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AdmiralPain
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Yeah, I think I'll wait for a more reputable source than dualshockers.
Albert Penello
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Which part? The part about it being the same demo? Or the part about the final game looking better?
I know the first part, first hand. I've been at all the shows, I know all the setup teams. I know it's the same build.
On the second? Because Phil told me. I haven't been back in Redmond long enough to see the latest first hand, but he was telling me the final game is shaping up really well.
recklesscognition
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So basically relax, this was the same old build, the monitors were messed up, and the game is going to be awesome at launch?
Syphon Filter
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Albert when is the dashboard video coming?
Well, I can read Japanese (N2) so I know that he did say that it is a monitor problem, but it doesn't seem like many people will take what the original says into consideration...
I find the dualshockers article rather dishonest. It clearly says in the original article that he asked specifically about the monitor problem, but they removed that bit in their article, leaving only a general problem and make it seem like there was an admission to a downgrade.
Really now?
AdmiralPain
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And there you have it. Thanks Albert!
As it should be and as is usually par for course with these sorts of things, except for with a select few instances. Good to know either way.
On a side note, Albert, can you pleaaaase try and push for Forza 6 to have dynamic time of day and perhaps weather too? Just forward along the message that every one out there would love to have these extra features, so if they could get them in, it'd make the next release that much more appealing.
Parapraxis
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Did the TGS demo actually look different for technical reasons outside those of the Xbox One (ie, cables, monitors etc), or is the guy from Game Watch losing his mind?
Was the E3 build of F5 different from the Gamescon/PAX/TGS one? <- main question to be honest.
Why would the Game Watch author think there was a downgrade from the E3 -> TGS demo? simply a subjective situation? (ie: different course/time of day.)
I don't expect you to actually comment on the sanity of any journalists haha
EDIT: Sorry if I'm not making 100% sense, it's 3 am in Canada.
Chobel
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Maybe in Forza 6...
They did it before. None of the actual quote lined up with the article title.
....and the Kinect voice support chart....
Parapraxis
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This has come to my attention.
I still wonder why Game Watch thinks the E3 build was different.
maplelord93
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what kind of sleazy journalism
crazygambit
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Just to play devil's advocate, it wasn't shown on retail hardware as it didn't exist at the time. So it was running on dev kits. Today we just found out that dev kits have the ability to overclock the CPU and GPU and enable the 2/14 CU disabled for redundancy in retail hardware, so the fact that it was shown on a dev kit doesn't mean it's exactly the same as retail hardware, the recent downgrade of Ryse should make that clear.
I'm not even saying it's particularly wrong if they did that. They might have been trying to show how the game would look once it was optimized and finished so they upped the hardware a little. Maybe right now it's running on the same spec as retail and when they're done it might go back to E3 level.
That's just one way it could have gone.
Albert Penello
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I really don't know. When I had time on the floor I was checking out the.. ahem... competition. Stuff I don't get to see normally.
I had the same build as was on the floor in the Conference rooms, so I know it was the same, but I didn't see the issue described in the article.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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