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They are not going to support .mkv, none of the consoles probably ever will.

You know this as fact? Some of their Bluray players already play MKVs.

 

[kaching]

There is literally no benefit to PS4 acting as a webserver for the Playstation app.

They're talking about a second screen experience, which shouldn't have any need to jump out to the cloud. That's more inefficient and certainly isn't a benefit.

The only reason they would make it a PS4 webserver is that they aren't able to scale their own infrastructure up enough before launch.

Or you just misunderstood the use-case. Pro-tip: If you find yourself speaking in absolutes, might be time to rethink what you're saying.

 

[wizzbang]

So an internal PSU, much smaller then the bone and still quiet? Bravo Sony.

Bravo? No, apparent bravo. We've been through a console launch (or more) before, don't believe everything you read.
The PS4 has faster / more technology, in a smaller space AND included the transformer inside. I personally suspect this isn't going to be the quietest console out there (do you expect them to say it's a vacuum?)

We'll see, I hope it's true - but seriously, wait for some serious confirmation.
Disclaimer: before you say it, big Sony fan here, not some Microsoft fan, but I understand tech, this is very straightforward stuff.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

Personalization? I wonder what dashboard themes will be available at launch then? I'd love some Marvel and DC stuff.

 

[spwolf]

They are not going to support .mkv, none of the consoles probably ever will.

People should get over this fact. Use PS3 media server to stream them, otherwise, you're out of luck.

correction: Universal Media Server.

 

[plainr_]

There are many benefits to the PS4 acting as a client to a cloud service that the Playstation app communicates with.
There is literally no benefit to PS4 acting as a webserver for the Playstation app.
The only reason they would make it a PS4 webserver is that they aren't able to scale their own infrastructure up enough before launch.
That isn't a permanent problem, and they said it might possibly change in the future.
But it is certainly not a good sign of their cloud infrustructure.


You can. If you open whatever port the PS4 is using on your router.


We do know you can remote purchase on Xbox One.
Xbox One acts as a client to a cloud service, it can open a connection to an external server no problem. Smartglass also act as a client to a cloud service.
PS4 is an intermediate server between PS App and PS servers, you'll have to mess with your routers port security to access it thru an external host or else your router will block your request to the PS4 web server.


Yep. That's it tho.
Smartglass does the same thing but with wifi direct if you're near your Xbone.

Wait. Where are you getting this information from? Why would I need to configure my router?

Are you suggesting the PS App won't be talking to the PSN servers but instead directly to the PS4?

 

[GribbleGrunger]

I guess I should look on the bright side of life? Idk what that pic means. But either way I give up. I wasn't trying to spread any fear or uncertainty. I thought it was a legitimate question. I am not a tech guy so please forgive me. *leaves*

Don't take it so serious, fella, I'm mucking about. It's just that you seem to want to find problems.

 

[Bossofman]

They're talking about a second screen experience, which shouldn't have any need to jump out to the cloud. That's more inefficient and certainly isn't a benefit.

Or you just misunderstood the use-case. Pro-tip: If you find yourself speaking in absolutes, might be time to rethink what you're saying.

If they were talking about 'second screen' I don't even think they would mention it, obviously everything behind your firewall is on the local network, so the point would be moot.

 

[Ebomb]

This is generally a lot of PR nonsense regarding fans and noise. Stepless fan doesn't reduce fan noise at full load, they don't tell you which PS3 they are comparing it to, and of course they use the term generally which implies in some use cases the PS4 is louder.

 

[hawk2025]

Wait. Where are you getting this information from? Why would I need to configure my router?

Are you suggesting the PS App won't be talking to the PSN servers but instead directly to the PS4?

I'm still puzzled by that myself.

If you can access all your friends, message them, download games, and more through the PS App, how does it make any sense? Especially in the context of the rest of the quote?

 

[daveo42]

Everyone up in arms about the drive noise are missing this tidbit:

• Since the Blu-Ray player is 6x instead of 2x in speed (like the one on the PS3 was) the initial spinning noise is actually louder, but that will be countered by using the hard disk drive.

 

[iamshadowlark]

Have you ever used Amazon Cloud? or Steam? You don't need to open ports on your router to use those services, because they are in the cloud and your just a client. Now if you are Hosting the magic, you need a port open, like using Emule or P2P

You would need a port open to play games online. Any modern has uPnP, the user would most likely need to do nothing if Sony configures this right.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Bravo? No, apparent bravo. We've been through a console launch (or more) before, don't believe everything you read.
The PS4 has faster / more technology, in a smaller space AND included the transformer inside. I personally suspect this isn't going to be the quietest console out there (do you expect them to say it's a vacuum?)

We'll see, I hope it's true - but seriously, wait for some serious confirmation.
Disclaimer: before you say it, big Sony fan here, not some Microsoft fan, but I understand tech, this is very straightforward stuff.

You mean like the article in the OP which is reporting on a Japanese site who have actually seen and heard it running?

 

[shinra-bansho]

I'm confused. Why are people talking about configuring routers to work with the PSApp?

 

[TigerBrown]

I would really like to know, if slightly oversized HDDs (e.g 2tb drives with 15mm thickness) will fit inside PS4.

Is there anything known yet regarding this matter?

 

[heelo]

My PS3 phat (80G) never was loud. I recently discovered the fan test. Now that's pretty noisy. If there ever was a time it was loud, was when I was playing Skyrim. Once in a while it would spin up to the point you'd notice it, but it was never so bad as to interrupt play. Now, if the PS4 is more quiet than that, I'd have to say that's a good thing. You want your console to look good, but you also want it to behave while its doing its work. It appears Sony has checked both boxes this time around.

My phat got crazy loud during the summer months, regardless of what it was doing (even when streaming Netflix). The ambient air temperature seemed to have a big effect.

The slim hasn't been a problem as far as I've noticed.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Everyone up in arms about the drive noise are missing this tidbit:

I've pointed it out and several others have too, but for some 'unknown' reason, it's being overlooked.

 

[Killing_Joke]

Not sure why anyone is surprised. My PS3 slim doesn't make any noise at all besides the BD bootup. Even the PhatS3 was pretty damn quiet until you played a strong performing game or used it for couple of hours.

 

[wizzbang]

You mean like the article in the OP which is reporting on a Japanese site who have actually seen and heard it running?

Exactly like that, except more than one article and ideally after the console is released. I've seen this shit before, even from the "trusted magazines" not just the manufacturer themselves. There's going to be a lot of misinformation around and suddenly busting your load over 1 article isn't worth (I know, I used to do it all the fucking time)

Fingers crossed it's true, let's see a few more confirm it.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I've pointed it out and several others have too, but for some 'unknown' reason, it's being overlooked.

Every console I've owned has a spinup and pending install you notice it less. We're not talking an airliner taking off so I don't think it's even worth making a fuss about.

 

[amar212]

I'm confused. Why are people talking about configuring routers to work with the PSApp?

When you are confused you are more likely to buy an Xbone.

 

[driver116]

I'm confused. Why are people talking about configuring routers to work with the PSApp?

There's some confusion I think - not helped by the fact that the source is translated from Japanese.

 

[onQ123]

Sony mentions the CLOUD !

Where have you been?

 

[Bossofman]

You would need a port open to play games online. Any modern has uPnP, the user would most likely need to do nothing if Sony configures this right.

Webserver to me sounds like your hosting the stuff rather then a cloud machine doing the heavy lifting. It also a matter of Push vs Pull, when your the Webserver, your pulling info. as opposed to having it pushed to you by a cloud. It is an interesting choice of words, I guess we can count on host advantage, unlike every game on XBO having dedicated servers.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Exactly like that, except more than one article and ideally after the console is released. I've seen this shit before, even from the "trusted magazines" not just the manufacturer themselves. There's going to be a lot of misinformation around and suddenly busting your load over 1 article isn't worth (I know, I used to do it all the fucking time)

Fingers crossed it's true, let's see a few more confirm it.

I'd say with the GPU and CPU on the same silicon, the PS4 will generate less heat than the PS3 and so therefore won't require the fan to work nearly as hard. The real test is when you get it home ,and/or what surface you stand it on (sounds odd, but it does make a slight difference)

 

[Antiwhippy]

Technology right now has been moving to creating more powerful hardware with less heat and power consumption ever since the smartphone/tablet/ultrabook boom, especially without the need of a fan.

Do you guys really think that heat and power consumption technology will stay the same as the PS3 days?

 

[driver116]

I'd say with the GPU and CPU on the same silicon, the PS4 will generate less heat than the PS3 and so therefore won't require the fan to work nearly as hard. The real test is when you get it home ,and/or what surface you stand it on (sounds odd, but it does make a slight difference)

Currently the PS4's CPU and GPU are both underclocked right, so this should produce less heat.

 

[crazygambit]

Slim or Phat? because the Phat was loud

Actually my phat is super loud now, but at launch it was nearly silent. I'm hoping this is quieter than the phat PS3 at launch. That would be sweet.

 

[Ensirius]

Much smaller, a lot more powerful, less noisy.

Where's the catch GAF?

 

[LittleJohnny]

Do PS3's excessively heat up when playing a blu-ray movie? That is hardly resource intensive lol. I don't think my slim ever does...

The latter question could be asked about any console or electronics device with a fan ever. As long as it very rarely reaches that upper most limit (which step-less fans aid towards), it shouldn't be an issue.

My fat PS3 80GB Motorstorm edition did. It would speed up to level 3 fan aka. leaf blower level. I did have to open the PS3 and apply new thermal paste, this helped a lot, the paste was dry but after applying new paste the fan would reach level 2 which was still uncomfortable but not terrible.

Look at the size of the PSU, having it inside did not help at all, the thing got super hot in fact:

My PS3 was somewhat quiet initially, quieter than my original 360 but not as quiet as my Jasper version and definitely not as quiet as the slim version my friend has, can't even hear that thing. But yea, the PS4 will have to pass the test of time, we'll see. I just prefer people put comparisons aside and just accepted that having the power brick outside of the box has it's benefits.

 

[hawk2025]

Webserver to me sounds like your hosting the stuff rather then a cloud machine doing the heavy lifting. It also a matter of Push vs Pull, when your the Webserver, your pulling info. as opposed to having it pushed to you by a cloud. It is an interesting choice of words, I guess we can count on host advantage, unlike every game on XBO having dedicated servers.

That makes no sense.

How can everyone be hosting their own stuff and you accessing your friends list, trophies, and pushing downloads to your PS4 from the app? Why would they change that from the PS3?

So your PS4 acts as a server, which then in turn connects to PSN and uses the bandwidth anyways?

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Currently the PS4's CPU and GPU are both underclocked right, so this should produce less heat.

I'm not certain about that.

 

[IvorB]

Will it be able to play 3D content and play a DolbyDigital TrueHD soundtrack at the same time I wonder...

 

[kaching]

If they were talking about 'second screen' I don't even think they would mention it, obviously everything behind your firewall is on the local network, so the point would be moot.

That's hardly a guarantee with many services. The point in mentioning it is clarifying the extent of the service as it exists now.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Much smaller, a lot more powerful, less noisy.

Where's the catch GAF?

Wait 30 minutes and refresh. I'm sure one will pop up somewhere

 

[OldAsUrSock]

Slim or Phat? because the Phat was loud

My phats have not been loud. The 360 was loud.

 

[SLY_]

Bravo? No, apparent bravo. We've been through a console launch (or more) before, don't believe everything you read.
The PS4 has faster / more technology, in a smaller space AND included the transformer inside. I personally suspect this isn't going to be the quietest console out there (do you expect them to say it's a vacuum?)

We'll see, I hope it's true - but seriously, wait for some serious confirmation.
Disclaimer: before you say it, big Sony fan here, not some Microsoft fan, but I understand tech, this is very straightforward stuff.

Isn't it sad that you have to label an 'IMO' with a disclaimer that you're not a Microsoft apologist to avoid being attacked? Just something I notice a bit in threads to date.

Also, you're absolutely right that there's a fair, reasonable amount of skepticism to wait for the console release as opposed to taking them at their word. That's a lot of components and heat under one roof.

I'm with you on the 'wait n see' approach ... though I hope it's absolutely every bit as magical as they claim

 

[FonkyByNature]

Don't mind a little noise, unless it's 360 launch console noise level...

 

[TigerBrown]

To me the PS4 still looks like it could potentially switch to full combustion turbine mode at any time. Still hoping for the best though..

 

[ASFM]

Quieter than the ps3 sounds scary, mine is dead silent already when I'm playing something.

 

[crazygambit]

We won't know which solution will be quieter though so I would wait for comparisons before making comparisons to Xbone. Quieter than the PS3 isn't saying much, I don't even use it as a Blu-ray player anymore because it's too distracting when the fans speed up.

Is the disk drive what makes installing slow on the PS3? Because the large games I've gotten through PSPlus take more than 15 minutes to install and the BD Drive plays no part in that.

 

[Celestial Mortal]

Where have you been?

Under the rock apparently. I kind of knew about the PS Cloud but those images are new to me.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

To me the PS4 still looks like it could potentially switch to full combustion turbine mode at any time. Still hoping for the best though..

How noisy the PS4 sounds is also related to how big your TV is! There is logic there, if you think about it. And it's something that gets completely overlooked when one person is saying it's loud and the other is saying the opposite. Riddles in the dark!

 

[Bossofman]

That makes no sense.

How can everyone be hosting their own stuff and you accessing your friends list, trophies, and pushing downloads to your PS4 from the app? Why would they change that from the PS3?

So your PS4 acts as a server, which then in turn connects to PSN and uses the bandwidth anyways?

Well this gen many PS3 online games are run on dedicated servers, and not so for Xbox Live, next gen MS guaranteed ALL games are going to have dedicated servers(in the cloud) and it seems this gen. Sony is going with the old Xbox Live model, this definitely is a plus for the XBO, no doubt.

 

[DBT85]

You know this as fact? Some of their Bluray players already play MKVs.

And their phones, and tablets and TVs.

 

[JAYSIMPLE]

Slim or Phat? because the Phat was loud

Yeh my phat was well loud. Hope its not that loud

 

[Gestault]

BD noise comes off as a non-issue to me, especially since the expectation is that games are installed (which I'm not in love with on its own, but it's basically become standard now.)

 

[crazygambit]

Yes. We already know all PS4 games have a mandatory install. The disc is used only for DRM purposes after the initial install.

That's the Xbone after the 180. What we know for the PS4 is that BD games are installed automatically while you play and the more you play the more it's installed. Apparently it's not controlled by the user since we haven't heard of an option to install the whole thing, but it's not a full mandatory install.

How the OS determines what to keep and what to delete we don't know either.

 

[Acheteedo]

The noise level of the console during operation is generally much smaller than it was on the PS3.

Finally! Sounds good, still an unsettlingly worded sentence there... all sorts of potential caveats to that statement. But I'll stay optimistic until I hear some hands on reports.

 

[Killing_Joke]

Everyone up in arms about the drive noise are missing this tidbit:

Cause it's a non issue. I have a 6X BD that makes hardly any noise. I think he was just stating an obvious fact.