GDDR5 is uncomfortable, however the GDDR3 in the Xbox 360 is perfectly fine
That sounds like how they would feel in the rectum, respectively.
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That sounds like how they would feel in the rectum, respectively.
Mr Moose
Member
LMAO! (the last part made me laugh even harder).
I thought they stopped with all the "Xbox One is more balanced than PS4" crap? And I thought eSRAM was a bitch to work with, rather than GDDR5, maybe he's got the two mixed up? Or just talking out of his arse...
Is "uncomfortable" their new word?
I'm not a fan of Digital Foundry's in most cases then not pointless comparison exercises, but give the guy a break, Leadbetter loves his techy details and Microsoft indulged him, while smug Cerney didn't.
Again it will be all about those games.
I repeat again....games.
Yes remember those.
Games.
Games.
Games.
It wouldn't matter if the PS4 can render Fallout 4 with 25% more polygons then the X1 version, if Fallout 4 is an exclusive to MS.
Microsoft really need to stop playing this pointless hardware catch up and fight fire with water...in this case, titanic industry shaking exclusives.
You have the power of the Money Hat MS. I suggest you start using it...
Again it will be all about those games.
I repeat again....games.
Yes remember those.
Games.
Games.
Games.
It wouldn't matter if the PS4 can render Fallout 4 with 25% more polygons then the X1 version, if Fallout 4 is an exclusive to MS.
Microsoft really need to stop playing this pointless hardware catch up and fight fire with water...in this case, titanic industry shaking exclusives.
You have the power of the Money Hat MS. I suggest you start using it...
I just need to make sure i myself don't get banned before launch
Should be interesting to watch the Head to head Digital foundry threads.
Richard can expect some big bonus in november with all the comparison articles he and the staff has to write
That is what they have in the planning for 2014 one of the few reason im even getting an X1 there is just something about pushing things instead of getting an new GPU.
"Ps4 wins but it's a minor boost. Xbox one software maturing. To be honest, get PC version.
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As to cross gen titles, the definition of minor has changed. The x360 will be the version to get. (Boo PC)"
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Either the above, or forced compensation, and DF might feel hesitant to suggest that minor upgrades are just that.
In any case, DF's role reversal, i.e. informing gamers, which platform is technically better, to one where its lead author loses a significant amount of credibility, due to their inability to dissect PR, at least on a technical level. Their lead author is either biased, or not qualified, to inform consumers looking to compare the performance of games on next gen consoles.
But hey, we will still have the data DF provides, if not analysis on why PS4 is not performing to its perceived level. An advantage that should theoretically be greater than x360 v PS3.
Reading many of the technical experts on here, it really makes you wonder if it has anything to do with games.
Firstly, Cerny did do an interview with leadbetter, It was terrible. He asked some seriously stupid questions:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-face-to-face-with-mark-cerny
Secondly, this is a thread about console hardware, games games games, is a brilliant argument, but it's best suited to a completely different thread, because you know, Hardware technical discussion thread...
I think DF pointed out that it was made clear that Cerny would not elaborate on the technical details he had discussed at the original PS4 launch. So they were pretty much hamstrung on the technical details.
dragonelite
Member
archnemesis
Member
Third-party exclusives are very rare these days and the few examples we've seen so far have been focused around using the Kinect. At most you're going to get timed exclusive DLC or pre-order bonuses. A game like Fallout 4 would be released for any system that's capable of running it.
they still managed to come up with some stupid questions about GDDR latency, which they could have just checked online at samsung or Hynix websites that have clearly stated latency figures...Considering the website they are supposed to be they should know the comparative latency between GDDR5 and DDR3.
I doubt it'll be usable until you patch it.
Almost as if they know something we don't eh?
Using the xbox one to develop games isn't a feature at launch I don't think.
Every xb1 is a dev kit, just not at launch.
I meant the system as a whole, not the devkit stuff, we all know that isn't coming until late (if ever).
FeiRR
Banned
Did they say it will be available for free and without signing NDA?
dragonelite
Member
Drop the X1 version to 900p?
Most wouldn't even know if they played and weren't told.
And its an easy way to close the 40% gap in compute.
There are still 'exclusives' like Titanfall.
I imagine it will be the same as xbox 360/WP and xna.
dragonelite
Member
You probably need an dev account which costs like 99/year.
Ooh yeah i need to refresh my dreamspark account before graduating uni hopefully this year dat free software is too good to pass.
I thought the RAM latency question was a good question, and they answered it appropriately.
It killed the latency argument everywhere outside of bottom of the barrel youtube comments.
Dictator93
Member
Actually dropping the res still does not account for the difference in the GPU. The PS4 version could easily be higher res, have higher precision effects, and run better.
archnemesis
Member
Calling it an exclusive is just silly when I can play the game without owning an Xbox One. It will also get a late PS4 port according to our own MS insider, CBoaT.
Yes but its still quite apparent that MS has moneyhatted it.
travisbickle
Member
To provide a balanced argument it is worth mentioning PR at Sony (including Cerny) have hinted there will be a discernible difference ... as if they know something we don't eh?
That could well be their main aim.
eSRAM is anything but balanced. It's hack for having shitty system RAM. One that eats into your die budget as well.
archnemesis
Member
Yep, they're doing a great job getting deals for most of the popular franchises. Everything from FIFA to XCOM is getting some kind of promotion.
Yep and the Knack showreel started shortly after..........
Off topic but in your final year of Uni, get all of the software you can, even if you want it or not, just grab a serial number of every piece of eligible software if your not installing it.
You dont want to spend too much of your die budget on CPU and GPU, your system woud become unbalanced, then you'd be in an uncomfortable position with such a strong GPU.
travisbickle
Member
And that has what to do with multi-platform parity?
Exactly.
travisbickle
Member
Look
You believe MS knows something about multi-platforms being similar based on conjecture. I said Sony provided the similar conjecture but saying multi-platforms will be better on PS4.
Then you acted like someone pissed in your chips.
He is a desperately searching for a narrative. There are many in the same boat. They are dazed and confused grabbing at anything they can pin their hopes to.
Don't we all want to know what they know?
Listen, as soon as I mentioned the K word you started flipping out on me pal, just like Trav in your av!
Let's call a truce!
For now
It's all rhetorics my friend. Just going round and round.....
What does that have to do with his post let alone anything?
It's also important to note Albert said he'd concede if frame rate differences between multplatform games between the PS4/XO were greater than a single digit. In a 30fps game, 9fps less is still a single digit and a potentially game breaking difference, so that's not exactly a comforting admission.
Well apparently, Cerny laid down the Sony gospel a few months back, then he world revealed Knack. Have you seen it yet Nib?
But what does that have to do with Multplatform parity?
I've seen it, it looks nice graphically but the gameplay is not really for me. But it's a small budget smaller team game so I'm not expecting ground breaking tech and visuals.
Well let's just hope everybody get's what they want nib. Christmas coming soon.
I find it funny how MS say that GDDR5 is uncomfortable to work with but having the largest pool of ESRAM ever produced for a consumer device is perfectly fine.
Crimson_Fate
Member
I Believe that any third party that got into Bed with Microsoft for exclusives this round are not in as enviable a position as they thought they were going to be back in January.
The fact is that at this point 2/3 of their possible revenue for these Titles are now gone. Do you really think that any of these publishers would have gone Exclusive with MS knowing what they know now about the console sales ratios? And if Third Party titles do show the hardware differences this ratio will get even more lopsided in Sony's favor.
I don't care how much money MS has to spend. Any developer with a title worth its salt isn't going to bite with MS exclusivity unless that ratio changes.
TheRagnCajun
Member
I can't blame MS for blowing smoke.
If there were a good example of a rhetoric, it would be this statement of yours.
You could dismiss everything as rhetoric, but it appears a lot of information has been revealed and analysed - the back and forth is simply the nature of differing opinions. It sounds like you would have preferred this forum to be an auditorium dedicated to Microsoft instead.
dragonelite
Member
It will bring the X1 qua effect close to parity with the ps4 version if we are talking like 1080p for ps4 and X1 version on 900p. Better then dumbing down the ps4 version and more importantly the PC version to attain parity on 1080p.
spatenfloot
Member
Based on the past few months, I don't think Microsoft knows what they know.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
I think the discontentment comes not from the fact that Xbox fans resent criticism of the platform from other posters. Instead, it's the constant barrage of irrational hatre shown towards the games being developed for the X1.
Threads for X1 games will be filled to the brim with ridiculous statements about the development process of the game, many of which are blatantly untrue. These threads also get bombarded with PS4 comparisons, irrelevant policy discussions and general FUD being spouted by those posters who have already made it clear that they have no intention of buying the console or the game.
If people are out of line, they will be dealt with. This is NeoGAF, not gamefaqs.
Auditorium? Hell no, more like an Amphitheatre! All those who go against the grain shall have to battle it out amongst the bears, lions and ethiopian gelada baboons!
spatenfloot said:
I think the success of the Xbox 360 really knocked em for six!
SniperHunter
Banned
Knack is interesting. It seems like an up resed PS2 game with minimal environmental interaction, runs at 40 FPS and looks like crap. Certainly an awful display of PS4's potential. It should have been a $20 downloadable title