Yes and it might cost them this gen. They really needed to have a huge Christmas in Japan and build momentum into next year but without MK8, I don't feel SM3DW will be enough.
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Media Create Sales: Week 40, 2013 (Sep 30 - Oct 06)
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Yes and it might cost them this gen. They really needed to have a huge Christmas in Japan and build momentum into next year but without MK8, I don't feel SM3DW will be enough.
Aquamarine
Member
Considering how much third-party releases have bumped up hardware sales for Wii U in the past, it's pretty much confirmed to be 3 more weeks of this.
Expect lots of new record lows.
I bet they didn't plan manufacturing early enough, and they have had to compete with Pokemon X / Y for priority at Nintendo's network of Uji plants.
Since this is Capcom's prime money-maker, it's mind-boggling that they didn't completely saturate the market with copies.
cyberheater
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What do you mean that 'it might cost them this gen'?
test_account
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Sure, i agree that 1GB for downloading stuff (DLC, patches or full games) is not much space, especially in the long run. I just ment to say that the 1GB built-in memory is probably mostly just intended to eliminate the requirement of a memory card (not many games allows direct saving to the game cartridge itself), and its mostly useful for those who never download anything.
Yeah, i didnt mean to say that you're saying that people lose out on anything, i just ment to say that at least the built-in memory doesnt make the Vita memory card situation any worse at least
Thanks. It's another world! Now, if Vita 2000 coincided with God Eater 2 and a 25% pricedrop something might have actually happened.
theprodigy
Member
man, I remember before MH4 some people were questioning whether the 3DS could close the YoY gap
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Smiles and Cries
Member
How does having a World view of the market help sell Wii U in Japan?
The problem has always been not being able to support two platforms at the same time for long-term
you are still joking, right? 7 millions 3DS in Japan from now to mid 2014?
3DS sold 5.5 million units in Japan last year with 3DSLL and maybe 6 millions with MH4 and Pokemon this year. What big seller before mid 2014 that will drive 3DS to sell 4-5 million units in 2014 before the end of mid 2014?
prag16
Banned
Well, Zelda is generally a lot bigger in the west than in Japan, so I'm not sure if anybody was expecting miracles in Japan due to Zelda.
But you're right, if SM3DW doesn't move the needle in any drastic way, likely nothing will.
VitaTV coincides with all of that (and a bigger price drop for the basic model).
Gianni Merryman
Member
Dunno, Smash bros - I know it's not going to launch in early 2014 but let's pretend to for the sake of argument - or something still unannounced such as a Dragon quest joker or a sleeper hit - btw next year a Dragon quest monster game is launching and that should be a million seller.
shinra-bansho
Member
I really don't get what people are expecting of Mario 3DW when they talk about it changing the Wii U's fortunes?
Where does the baseline shift to? 8K? 12K?
Also, is GAF acting up for anyone else?
Where does the baseline shift to? 8K? 12K?
Also, is GAF acting up for anyone else?
WiiU bundle? They will have these on Oct 31st
If I'm correct, the first two at the top will be 32,000 yen(basically the same price of WiiU Deluxe).
The two at the bottom will be 34,000 yen.
BishopLamont
Banned
Anyone wanna make predictions on Zelda:ALBW? I'm guessing another 1M seller, based on the fact that its a 2D Zelda on the 3DS in a world every Zelda fan loves, Phantom Hourglass almost did 1M, OOT did 500k, I have a good feeling this will reach 1M by releasing in the holiday.
It'll be lucky to sell 30k.
Not gonna happen dude, sometime in 2014 is likely, not mid. DQMJ might sell many copies but its not gonna push hardware the way you think it will, come to think of it there's nothing that would be able to do that unless DQXI gets released.
Yes.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Next week is going to be eventful, can't wait!
Sony picked a very special week to "relaunch" Vita, lol. Maybe they will benefit from all the store traffic.
Sony picked a very special week to "relaunch" Vita, lol. Maybe they will benefit from all the store traffic.
sequel to the game that helped turn the 3DS's fortunes, ideal timeframe for big releases, new mainline Mario game, looks incredible
michaelius
Banned
It's only missing massive price drop, Kart and annoucement of biggest third party franchise in Japan coming to Wii U
shinra-bansho
Member
That's nice.. but also relatively irrelevant to what I asked. My query wasn't regarding why people think it will have an effect, it was regarding the extent of the effect people think it will have.
3DSLL was released in July 2012. DQ7r was released Feb this year and it was a million seller. For both 2012 and 2013, 3DS sold less than 3.5 millions by the end of September.
For the sake of argument, even if Smash, DQM AND DQ11 are released by Spring 2014, it is still unlikely for 3DS to sell 7 million in 11 months (assuming mid 2014 ends at the end of August).
BishopLamont
Banned
Fun Fact: 3DS has averaged 100k a week, Vita has averaged 20k a week, Wii U has averaged 27k a week since launch. Quick estimates, don't take it too serious.
Its already on the Wii U, in fact another one is coming this December.It's only missing massive price drop, Kart and annoucement of biggest third party franchise in Japan coming to Wii U
Smash AND DQXI? Possible.
Changing how they they approach things in general could alter their approach in Japan. Expanding things (decision making, power, etc) beyond Japan , could allow for more openness to create more studios outside of Japan and allow more production of games so they could better support two platforms. That would certainly help them in all markets. Keeping everything focused in Japan doesn't seem to be helping and looks to be making it harder for them to support two platforms. This problem will likely be even worse with the next round of hardware if something doesn't change.
I'm pretty confident the fact that the last three most recent systems released were rather disastrous, with the Vita selling historically abysmally then the Wii U taking that crown a year later, shows that this is a sign of the times in Japan. The 3DS needed an unprecedented action to try and stop the bleeding.
So, past the launch, I don't expect the PS4 to set Japan on fire.
The really scary thing about those Wii U numbers is that is selling that low Before PS4 or Vita TV has even launched .
You can argue all day about how (un)successful they will be But Having another competitor (which will have third party support ) is not good news for Wii U at this point .
It really might be the final blow for it.
You can argue all day about how (un)successful they will be But Having another competitor (which will have third party support ) is not good news for Wii U at this point .
It really might be the final blow for it.
3DS was never doing this bad, not even the week before the price cut. And that price cut put 3DS more in line with the price of previous Nintendo handhelds, it didn't drop below ridiculous levels or anything. Plus it had like half a year selling bad, unlike ViitaU.
Tend to agree. The Vita has shown it can shift software but I cant see the product being one that can sell 30-50k units a week while in the West its well and truly done. There is no turnaround from shifting the likes of 15k a month in the US.
Im not buying the whole remote play as something which will see the masses go out and purchase a
The Wii U has Nintendo IPs but its not enough. It needs 3rd parties as well and without those no matter how big those Nintendo IPs are all we will see is gamecube numbers at best and even thats not guaranteed.
I do think that the price of the Vita TV provides an opportunity for its fortune to change. A price that low is certain to move a number of hardware units. But it needs games that capitalize on that new audience, and I think those will have to be more casual-focused games. Otakus, the ones who buy niche games, are more willing to pay more for quality products.
"Final blow" implies that the Wii U ever had a chance. Nintendo needed to secure third party support before the console's release, and that requires negotiation and self-sacrifice (i.e., designing the console for third parties, not just for themselves). Nintendo did not do that. The alternative would have been for them to prepare a steady flow of games for at least the first year. Nintendo did not do that either.
"Final blow" implies that the Wii U ever had a chance. Nintendo needed to secure third party support before the console's release, and that requires negotiation and self-sacrifice (i.e., designing the console for third parties, not just for themselves). Nintendo did not do that. The alternative would have been for them to prepare a steady flow of games for at least the first year. Nintendo did not do that either.
bigmit3737
Member
I'm surprised that the Vita is selling the amount it is- I feel like the past few weeks and incoming weeks have gad interesting software, nothing huge but enough to warrant 10,000 weekly.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
It's not so much that there's a better handheld climate in Japan, rather, there's a better climate for Nintendo's handhelds.
I'm more optimistic about Vita than Wii U at this point, if only because it might get a little more support by way of its ability to remote play PS4 games.
Vita does have a better chance than the WiiU
it will be in the end
3DS > Vita ≧ PS4 > WiiU >>> xbawx one
fabricated backlash
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theprodigy
Member
PS4 bomba confirmed
BishopLamont
Banned
It will do well when the new model drops.
test_account
XP-39C²
How much would it sell if its not lucky?
Claude Kenni
Member
Can we stop the extremely tired heatwave jokes? People on GAF think something is funny so that means it's run into the ground at every opportunity whether it's actually funny or not or fair to do so or not. The poster who made that comment wasn't trying to completely excuse the sales and was actually being helpful because posting more information is a good thing, not bad.
Look at this thread about UK gaming retailers having the "worst sales month on record":
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=650023
Aside from the few posts at the beginning ridiculing the idea of a heat wave affecting sales there are several people excusing something as definitive as being the worst on record because of how hot the UK was that month (compared to a single week with subpar sales, not record-breakingly low sales).
Heat waves do affect sales, MCV for the week that person posted that mentioned the heat wave. The person who made the original post was being informative but because people interpreted it without basis as a desperate defense of Nintendo sales the poster is endlessly ridiculed.
It's become a meme here that's being repeated without any actual good reason why, much of which is based on ignorant ridicule of someone that was being helpful and an idea that's not actually laughable. If the initial post attempted to completely excuse the low sales I would get it but it wasn't even close to doing that simply mentioning it as a single factor.
Stuff like this and the tub meme that has literally no meaning are getting annoying to see repeated over and over again. There's no wit at all involved, it's just a waste of time and can even hurt discussion.
Look at this thread about UK gaming retailers having the "worst sales month on record":
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=650023
Aside from the few posts at the beginning ridiculing the idea of a heat wave affecting sales there are several people excusing something as definitive as being the worst on record because of how hot the UK was that month (compared to a single week with subpar sales, not record-breakingly low sales).
Heat waves do affect sales, MCV for the week that person posted that mentioned the heat wave. The person who made the original post was being informative but because people interpreted it without basis as a desperate defense of Nintendo sales the poster is endlessly ridiculed.
It's become a meme here that's being repeated without any actual good reason why, much of which is based on ignorant ridicule of someone that was being helpful and an idea that's not actually laughable. If the initial post attempted to completely excuse the low sales I would get it but it wasn't even close to doing that simply mentioning it as a single factor.
Stuff like this and the tub meme that has literally no meaning are getting annoying to see repeated over and over again. There's no wit at all involved, it's just a waste of time and can even hurt discussion.
How so? If the vita had appealing games, and was appealing in general, I think it'd be doing fine now. I see no inherent advantage to having Nintendo games. The Wii U is suffering. Just because the Vita is failing doesn't mean the 3DS had an advantage. The 3DS was doing pretty badly at a point too.
spatenfloot
Member
fixed it for you
Yep. A lot of people are going to be surprised at how high vita hardware is next week, and it should stay above 10k/wk the rest of the year, at the very least.