LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
When you go from Wii success to the bottom of the food chain then it says a lot about the current structure and thinking at Nintendo. It's not all good so I hope you can accept their ineptitude.
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Iwata: Nintendo is not good at competing, so must offer something different
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When you go from Wii success to the bottom of the food chain then it says a lot about the current structure and thinking at Nintendo. It's not all good so I hope you can accept their ineptitude.
Astral/H3X
Member
That's probably because that was before the era of subsidized consoles. You know, when you made money on the console you sold.
Bam!
Yeah well they never had such a challenge in the console space before and the Wii is by far their most sucessfull console, but shit happens. I still think the Wii U will find some success.
Exactly.
Whenever these discussions come up you always have to deal with these boogymen Nintendo fans concoct as reasons for why Nintendo "just can't" compete. Competing doesn't mean throwing the most expensive tech into a box and tossing the most money into a marketing campaign. Competing is putting smart, relevant tech into a box at a price the public will notice. Competing is researching the market you're trying to make money off of and making games they actually want to buy. Competing is being passionate about and aggressive with the product you're trying to sell.
So far, with the Wii U, Nintendo hasn't done any of this. And it's not because they "can't." Honestly, that quote just sounds like an excuse on Iwata's part for why Nintendo's seemingly thrown in the towel but still wants your money.
thehypocrite
Member
Nintendo is getting Ja ruled.
With that mindset, how do you explain Vita and what kind of consequences should follow? Srsly interested.
Prince Vultan
Banned
The Wii U has certainly made some people happy. Most specifically Steve Ballmer and Kaz Hirai.
That defense force.
Problem with that thinking is that sooner or later, your competitors will mimic your strategy and software and then you'll be using tons of R & D costs to stay competitive. I know nintendo has alot of cash reserves to burn, but sooner or later there market segment will disappear as Tablets, smartphones and other high tech gadgets take over a console for providing "entertainment"
Gamecube says Hi
Neither Sony or Microsoft pour all of their other profits into their gaming divisions. Nintendo would be more than capable of competing if they were willing to. For good and for bad, their "toy" mentality has locked them into a shrinking sliver of the marketplace.
Their current leadership team is responsible for the massive success they had with the Wii and DS, and the one that managed to turn the 3DS around and stay competitive against smartphones, something most of the industry considered impossible. There's evidently nothing wrong with the team or its mindset - a single dud doesn't change that. Nobody gets it right 100% of the time.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I think it will too but in hindsight we can all see what happened with even Wii. I've never seen a worse "winner" of a console generation. Wii never deserved the success it had but it tapped into the casual market and was soaring for a while but in the meantime had the worse SW lineup compared to 360/PS3. This is ever so evident now in this year when the Wii continues to be a door stop as it has for years.
Nintendo caught lightning in a bottle and you can't fault them but the Wii was terrible compared to the sales it was amassing. I was stuck buying maybe 1 full price day 1 game a year and then it just stopped because of the lack of interesting games compared to PC/PS3/360.
Thank you. The gamepad is a unique use for a combination of existing technologies. Most that give it a chance, really like it.
The iPhone happened to Vita.
Sony's portables have always been great kit, but Apple and Samsung have taken their market away. There was probably nothing Sony could have done to prevent that.
Every single industry on the planet?
In what industry would a business not try to differentiate themselves from the competition? Every company does it to some extent.
Thats bullshit.
The NES was similar to every other console.
So was the SNES.
So was the N64 bar carts
So was the GC bar the shit control pad.
This loser attitude only came about with the Wii and Iwata's rise.
Nintendo need to lose him quick time! He's sending Nintendo to their doom starting with the WiiU...probably the most pathetic console they've released since the Virtual Boy!
The NES was similar to every other console.
So was the SNES.
So was the N64 bar carts
So was the GC bar the shit control pad.
This loser attitude only came about with the Wii and Iwata's rise.
Nintendo need to lose him quick time! He's sending Nintendo to their doom starting with the WiiU...probably the most pathetic console they've released since the Virtual Boy!
They funded and published Platinum's unique new IP. Why does it need to be developed in-house for it to count?
Sony happened to the Vita
funkystudent
Member
Gamecube had pretty decent 3rd party support.
I dont think they missed out on any big multiplatform games other then GTA that generation.
Majukun
Member
if that was true,nintendo should just retire and move to third party
but seeing as we never had a nintendo console with enough installed base and enough power since the super nintendo,i think it's worth a try to offer a complete package once in a while...it's not like nintendo lacks the money after the wii.
by not competing this gen they just assured failure for themselves,nothing else.
I think stuff like this is what makes Nintendo shine, but yeah, do these things ON TOP of a standard model. I know it may be easier said than done, but I'm in the mindset I.l'm not bothering with Nintendo next time if they can't add standard features.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't want them to add anything innovative, I think that ideal is at the core of what Nintendo is, I just want MORE!!! Ha ha
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't want them to add anything innovative, I think that ideal is at the core of what Nintendo is, I just want MORE!!! Ha ha
Having a tablet screen on the primary controller for a console is, however.
When you go for uniqueness/gimmicks and it works spectacularly well three times in a row (3DS price error aside), then why wouldn't they try that approach again? It's easy to be captain hindsight, but when WiiU began development, there was no reason for Nintendo to not believe it would work again.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Which is why they don't deserve your money or mine. Not with that view and the practice has certainly followed the preaching with Nintendo and their lackluster WiiU.
The Wii was absolutely fine until Nintendo stopped supporting it.
Are you telling me Nintendo couldn't produce a powerful console at £350? That's the same price as the PS4!
I've been hearing "if only ___, 3rd party developers would support it" since the N64 days.
And now apparently taking one L after they took 3 Ls in a row means doomdays for the company. And entirely depends on pretending the 3DS doesn't exist.
God Dayumm
Banned
What people want: Muscular Pikachu
What Nintendo does: Thin ugly Pikachu
What was actually good: Original fat cute Pikachu
What Nintendo does: Thin ugly Pikachu
What was actually good: Original fat cute Pikachu
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, lets look at this from a chronological perspective:
-Gamecube is a technically competitive "core" console. Sells the worst of its generation
-Wii is a gimmick-driven underpowered blue ocean console. A smashing, ridiculous, success.
Now you can argue (and I will) that the particular gimmick that they chose to explore with the WiiU may be poorly thought out, or that they didn't have a coherent marketing strategy, or any number of other reasons for its current failure. But what I don't get is why anyone would look at the history of their last two consoles and think that at an executive level anyone was going to go "yeah that completely different approach with the Wii was an amazing success, but lets go back to that old strategy, that worked out so well"
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I bought a few Nintendo games but as I said, this SW drought of interesting titles happened and I lost interest. Sales finally started reflecting the ineptitude around 2-3 years ago when the buck stopped and people realized they weren't getting the best gaming experience on Wii.
DragonSworne
Banned
This quote proves that Iwata is not the right kind of man to run a multi billion dollar company that sells products globally.
Nintendo can't compete? What a load of crap.
Nintendo can't compete? What a load of crap.
Feels exactly like more excuses to me. Theres stuff they could do right now and they seem to be as molasses at like fixing their account system issues to bring their products inline with everything else. They would be in better shape if they'd at least do the things that are reasonable for them to do.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Worked for Sega.
It's crazy the number of people who think that Nintendo should follow Sony and MS in the power race when it'll only cost them more with still no 3rd party efforts. At this point, Nintendo would need to give up their licensing fees, market their games for them and give them a blowjob. Moreover, the biggest divide is where all 3rd party wants to go (AAAA cinematic epic gaming) VS Nintendo (Friendly games for the whole family).
Because that's how developers and publishers work?
Sony funded Last of Us but all praise goes directly to Naughty Dog
Hell, LA Noire was funded by Rockstar but no one on here gave Rockstar credit until people decided it was a bad game.
Not enough guns /merica
Of course they could. It just wouldn't compete without something setting it apart from the others. You saw the GameCube, right?
Here is the Problem, your statement shows: Sony have done everything right with the Vita. Perfect Market research, perfect everything, but the markt don´t accept it.
We do not need a third MS/SONY, so Nintendo has his own needs to find his spot and that Place will never be a copy & paste of Sony & MS.
You mean 2-3 years ago, when Nintendo stopped supporting the Wii?
You mean two duds. Two massive duds. You don't get to sweep 3DS' disastrous launch under the rug here, especially since what they had to do to save it severely undercut their profit projections and likely lead to the situation they're in now with being unable to properly support the Wii U (i.e. Nintendo's biggest failure in their history as a gaming company).
So there is something wrong with the mindset of Nintendo's current leadership. Absolutely wrong. And not just because of where it's landed them this gen, but because it's hard to see how they're going to come back with such a conservative, backward-thinking mentality. The latter is the damning thing.
While I'm not disagreeing with you in principal, I don't think Sony did everything right with the Vita. Saying Sony did "everything right" would be like saying Sony created this perfect product that makes everyone's lives better in a quantifiable way and people didn't buy it "just because."
The Vita is very much a flawed product, and it's biggest flaw is price. Vita (and the original 3DS launch price) serve as undeniable proof that 250+ is simply more than what the average person is willing to spend on what is perceived to be "just a portable gaming device."
I'm surprised people find it that outrageous Nintendo doesn't want to compete head-on against either Sony or Microsoft, especially after it worked so well with Wii.
You best watch your tongue.
You best watch your tongue.