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[Guerilla]

Read the op.

The OP has articles that have theories about it. I was just asking for more opinions because this shit is preposterous and I'm flabbergasted.

Both versions looks disappointing the problem is that the PS4 one looks disappointing because of a post processing effect which made things worse. This kind of shitty AA doesn't even exist in current gen console in most AAA games.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

This comment on IGN sums it up well:

"Hey guys, I found the setting on my TV to make the colors more vivid

But I'm having trouble finding the option in the settings to remove the jaggies.

Can someone help me out here?"

 

[djjinx2]

The salt in this thread is fucking incredible. Holy shit, it's fantastic.

The Xbox One version is more pleasing to my eyes, and to a lot of other people's eyes. Feel free to cry about how wrong we are. Delicious tears.

So all the gaming websites saying PS4>XBONE version are WRONG????

 

[Atlas157]

The salt in this thread is fucking incredible. Holy shit, it's fantastic.

The Xbox One version is more pleasing to my eyes, and to a lot of other people's eyes. Feel free to cry about how wrong we are. Delicious tears.

Or we could wait until we get the MP comparisons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oWkgNO2coc

Oh and yeah, that blur filter doesn't appear on his videos.

 

[Valnen]

PS4 would look better to me if it wasn't so washed out. I thought the PS4 had a hardware scaler chip like the Xbox One? Or maybe it was a problem with video capture. Doesn't matter to me in the end though, I already bought my console =p. Convinced that the recording equipment's the issue though as the Jack videos look a bit better.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

I thought that difference would be bigger. Lack of HBAO, resolution cuts and a worse quality of FXAA is not really that big of difference for 50% difference in CU.

It was quite logical that there wont be 50% performance difference between two platforms and we have first proof.

Interested to see MP comparisons from retail units, because thats performance meat of BF games.

900p has 56% more pixels than 720p. How is 56% < 50%?

 

[rvy]

So let me get this right.

PS4 wins with

Less aliasing
900p
More consistent framerate
AO

But... A weird blurry look due to software upscaler?

Ha ha. Weird blurry look due to software upscaler.

Yes. Yes, indeed.

 

[Bollocks]

There is a staggering difference here.

http://i.minus.com/ib0gOrDzD8ScKG.gif

Seems like the rumors are true that the X1 is struggling with online.
PS4 shows friends online while X1....

 

[Amir0x]

Re: Crushed black levels

people keep talking about that stuff, and I haven't been able to watch the videos yet, but I thought that was most definitely an issue with how Digital Foundry captured the stuff, since Jack Frags video didn't have that severity?

Ha ha. Weird blurry look due to software upscaler.

Yes. Yes, indeed.

Just quoting Digital Foundry there, I don't know.

 

[kitch9]

So let me get this right.

PS4 wins with

Less aliasing
900p
More consistent framerate
AO

But... A weird blurry look due to software upscaler?

FXAA probably. The Xbox has no AA solution, which apparently is better.

Re: Crushed black levels

people keep talking about that stuff, and I haven't been able to watch the videos yet, but I thought that was most definitely an issue with how Digital Foundry captured the stuff, since Jack Frags video didn't have that severity?



Just quoting Digital Foundry there, I don't know.

Everyone else used DICE provided equipment, DF apparently used their own and magically cocked up the levels for some reason.....

 

[IdiotMyshkin]

So here we go:

PS4 version 1600x900 resolution
Xbone version only1280x720

PS4 version with a 50% lead in output pixels overall

PS4 regaining 60fps
Xbone with framerate issues
Xbone with aliasing issues
Xbone "only a stone's throw from the sub-720p resolution" / "highly noticeable sub-pixel break-up"


But:

Yep, as expected. The PS4 version is crushing the Xbone version.
Funny, after all the damage control by Albert Penello.
PS4 version with a 50% lead in output pixels overall and this is just the beginning.
The performance gap will widen in the future.

Xbone footage:

Wow

 

[BlazingDarkness]

But the PS4 textures look closer to the PC ones in terms of coloring and lighting. Are you suggesting that the XB1 is superior to the PC version?

No?
When did I mention textures?
The problem with PS4 version is that everything looks too soft so the textures don't really pop out, same with the colours.

 

[madmackem]

I'll spell it out for you as you're having a hard time understanding.

PC version:-

Xbox One version:-

PS4 version:-

The Xbox One and PC versions both have the same textures on the arm and the skybox which shows the Xbox One version was built off the PC build.
For some reason they PS4 version is different.

The clouds are moving when you watch video form, and its been covered that cameo is random.

 

[DBT85]

Anyone else want to imagine what the difference would have been if the PS4 was also only rendering at 720.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

PS4 would look better to me if it wasn't so washed out. I thought the PS4 had a scaler chip like the Xbox One? Or maybe it was a problem with video capture. Doesn't matter to me in the end though, I already bought my console =p.

Not a very good one according to DF.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Wow, this thread is huge. Reading just the last page though makes me somewhat suspicious of how many people have their TVs calibrated.

I just wonder why DF's video and pics show crushed blacks on XBO and others don't

 

[dark10x]

No?
When did I mention textures?
The problem with PS4 version is that everything looks too soft so the textures don't really pop out, same with the colours.

That's something YOU can decide for yourself. If you want things to "pop out" that's an option available to you.

 

[demolitio]

Wow, this thread is huge. Reading just the last page though makes me somewhat suspicious of how many people have their TVs calibrated.

Although if they did calibrate their TV's, it sounds like a lot of them would up the contrast and sharpening anyway in their "calibrations".

But like someone said earlier, no one here has ever heard of crushed blacks before tonight in which we just act like we know what it means because we're not video experts and we're just defending the PS4. One of the more unique generalizations of the night for sure.


I just want to know what the excuse would be if DF didn't fuck up their comparison? What would suddenly make the X1 version "look better" then?

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

PS4 would look better to me if it wasn't so washed out. I thought the PS4 had a hardware scaler chip like the Xbox One? Or maybe it was a problem with video capture. Doesn't matter to me in the end though, I already bought my console =p.

How many times......DF fucked up the capture.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

If any of you can watch this:
http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/10/28/battlefield-4-xbox-oneps4-graphics-comparison

And tell me the xbox looks better you are on drugs. Look at the buildings when they come out of the forest. Its soo bad.

 

[Skeff]

I thought that difference would be bigger. Lack of HBAO, resolution cuts and a worse quality of FXAA is not really that big of difference for 50% difference in CU.

It was quite logical that there wont be 50% performance difference between two platforms and we have first proof.

Interested to see MP comparisons from retail units, because thats performance meat of BF games.

Well 50% better resolution essentially, and you forgot better frame rates.

 

[kitch9]

Not a very good one according to DF.

They both run AMD hardware......

Anyway you seriously aren't going to pull the scaler makes the less resolution not matter card are you lol?

 

[Amir0x]

How many times......DF fucked up the capture.

Oh...is that why the blurry PS4 images and the crushed black levels of the XBO version?

I'm just trying to get the story straight here, I woke up to this thread lol

 

[call_kotaku]

Calm down, bruh, The TOS doesn't force people to read the thread before giving us their wonderful opinions.

I don't know if this is sarcasm but I always assumed that there was such a rule

 

[madmackem]

Re: Crushed black levels

people keep talking about that stuff, and I haven't been able to watch the videos yet, but I thought that was most definitely an issue with how Digital Foundry captured the stuff, since Jack Frags video didn't have that severity?



Just quoting Digital Foundry there, I don't know.

Yeah they used there own capture device unlike everyone else it seems, which in turn has crushed to hell everything and maybe added sharpness.

 

[StuBurns]

considering EVERY other comparison does not have the oversaturated colors...yeah i think its a pretty good bet

VideoGamer and DF both have considerably darker XBO footage, not seen the JF guy yet though, I'll watch that one then.

 

[TUROK]

Delusion at its finest

Bitter fanboy tears. I'm not even getting the game, much less either console for a few years.

You're not wrong to enjoy less detail, less stable framerate, horrible aliasing/shimmering and missing lighting effects. But it's definitely an odd preference to have.

Less detail? Lol. Ignoring the sharpening and upscaling artifacts, the textures are exactly the same between the two versions.

So all the gaming websites saying PS4>XBONE version are WRONG????

Yes, because when I said that it was more pleasing to my eyes and the eyes of some other people, I was actually saying "everyone else is wrong."

You nailed it right on the head, bro. Pat yourself on the back.

 

[DemonNite]

Wow, this thread is huge. Reading just the last page though makes me somewhat suspicious of how many people have their TVs calibrated.

heh... can't wait to see all the threads next year when more 3rd party ports are revealed

Invest in those servers Gaf

 

[Arulan]

No?
When did I mention textures?
The problem with PS4 version is that everything looks too soft so the textures don't really pop out, same with the colours.

I think I need to post this again. This is what the "Sharpen" effect does to an image:

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Oh...is that why the blurry PS4 images and the crushed black levels of the XBO version?

I'm just trying to get the story straight here, I woke up to this thread lol

OP Ami.

 

[iceatcs]

There is a staggering difference here.

Oh wow that's very big one innit, no AO, lack of AA, one light shade, different texture.

Also the performance and resolution (from DF articles) seem not the same as PS4.

What the - going on with Xbox One? I thought ESRAM will do the work what PS4 can do.

 

[TheD]

The salt in this thread is fucking incredible. Holy shit, it's fantastic.

The Xbox One version is more pleasing to my eyes, and to a lot of other people's eyes. Feel free to cry about how wrong we are. Delicious tears.

It does not fucking matter if you like the look of the XB1 version more, it is OBJECTIVELY better on the PS4!
It has around an extra one half pixels over the XB1 version, it has effects that the XB1 version is lacking and has correct colour, unlike the XB1 version!

If you don't like it go invent a device that can take you to an alternate universe that has the XB1 as the better version, because it is not fucking true in this universe!

 

[Radec]

now show me WII U version

Here's the wii u version:

 

[Log4Girlz]

Boy, the Xbox One version is looking sharp.

 

[SneakyStephan]

You DO realize that those comparisons were designed to eliminate resolution as a metric, right? It's common knowledge that the PC can use any desired resolution but that's not the point of the comparison.


Uh, this is proof of a more than 50% increase in performance. That's precisely what the difference in resolution represents.

Haha, ok

noone plays at 720p on a pc unless they have some 8 year old lcd monitor or play on a laptop

you also don't see the irony of eliminating resolution as a metric when they were comparing sub720p games before, that sub native res also adds a ton of blur when actually playing the content on your tv/monitor, and that now that the new consoles can do 900p or 1080p suddenly resolution is all the rage (and a 'whopping' 1600*900)

It's pandering , that's all it's ever been.
All under the guise of being some objective authority on comparing versions and graphics.

The surprise of the poster I quoted at actually seeing what it looks like on a good pc without shitty FXAA shows that it's working too.

But hey, you said that you work for DF, surely you opinion on this is unbiased and you aren't defending your employer at all (and imo you have no credibility to begin with since you started play games with vsync on)

 

[MaLDo]

No bokeh in nextgen

 

[thejazzking]

I think we can all conclude that the sun is brighter in the XB1 version.

To be honest, it just looks as if they've accidentally turned up the contrast on the XB1 version.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Oh...is that why the blurry PS4 images and the crushed black levels of the XBO version?

I'm just trying to get the story straight here, I woke up to this thread lol

JackFrags, videogamer and IGN do not show the crushed blacks that DF's shows on the XBO

 

[Valnen]

FXAA probably. The Xbox has no AA solution, which apparently is better.

I wonder if they'd let us turn off AA in the options...

 

[Metalmurphy]

I thought that difference would be bigger. Lack of HBAO, resolution cuts and a worse quality of FXAA is not really that big of difference for 50% difference in CU.

It was quite logical that there wont be 50% performance difference between two platforms and we have first proof.

Interested to see MP comparisons from retail units, because thats performance meat of BF games.

You of all people should know how much of a resource hog HBAO is. And those aren't the only differences.

 

[KKRT00]

Well 50% better resolution essentially, and you forgot better frame rates.

Slightly better framerates.

----

900p has 56% more pixels than 720p. How is 56% < 50%?

Since when 50% resolution boost requires 50% more GPU performance?

 

[rvy]

Just quoting Digital Foundry there, I don't know.

Stop inferring shit, Amir0x. You know damn well what you meant

DF will have a glorious time in the coming months if they don't sort their shit out because this is just hilarious on many different levels. It reminds me of the 1up GoW review.

 

[Kaako]

Remember the times when the xbone brethren said that 720p version of xbone games would have much better AA and post processing effects? Yeaaah...good times.

 

[plasmawave]

Did DF say they were both running on devkits?

 

[uncharted86]

I thought that difference would be bigger. Lack of HBAO, resolution cuts and a worse quality of FXAA is not really that big of difference for 50% difference in CU.

It was quite logical that there wont be 50% performance difference between two platforms and we have first proof.

Interested to see MP comparisons from retail units, because thats performance meat of BF games.

50% performance difference is exactly what there is, at least. Hint: pixels.

 

[DrM]

Boy, the Xbox One version is looking sharp.

Imagine that sharpness with "100" setting on TV. Cutting edge stuff.

 

[madmackem]

Not a very good one according to DF.

Or there settings were fucked as is shown on the totally crushed xb1 footage, they shouldve accepted the capture device others had and we wouldnt have had all this issue.

 

[Mung]

Not a very good one according to DF.

Don't worry, no need for your concern. The overwhelming majority of ps4 games look like they'll be 1080p.

 

[Ty4on]

You are joking right? the Xbox picture the weapon is angled do you can't really see the front of the gun......That detail right?

I agree that it is a flawed comparison, but the difference in the angle on the weapon isn't very big. Honestly both look bad, but that is what small details look like without AA.

 

[Piggus]

Bitter fanboy tears. I'm not even getting the game, much less either console for a few years.

Less detail? Lol. Ignoring the sharpening and upscaling artifacts, the textures are exactly the same between the two versions.

Well that's lovely. But running a game a lower resolution creates a loss of texture detail regardless of if it's upscaled or not.

So yeah. Less detail. Way to ignore the other points by the way.

Also, having vision that doesn't suck does not make people "bitter fanboys."