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[Digital Foundry] Rise of The Ronin: PS5 Tech Review - A Superb Action RPG... But Can It Sustain 60FPS?
Mibu no ookami
Member
Remind me why people think a ps5 pro isn't needed...
Lucifers Beard
Member
Doesn't Ghost of Tsushima look better and perform better than this though?
Mibu no ookami
Member
You mean the game that performs significantly better on PS4 Pro than PS4 and looks even better on PS5? Not sure what your point was here.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
As someone whose playing the game right now.
No. No it cannot. Infact it is dipping out of the VRR range extremely frequently.
Anchovie123
Member
well well well, yet another performance mode stuck at 1080p.
wHy dO We nEEd A PS5 prO?
wHy dO We nEEd A PS5 prO?
Fbh
Member
It's team Ninja.
Always expect a game that looks a gen behind....and somehow runs like shit too.
I think the point is that when other devs can make similar games that basically look a gen ahead of this AND run at a higher resolution AND have better framerate, the problem is more on the dev/engine side than a lack of power from the console.
That said, this sort of shit isn't going to improve. So we DO need a Ps5 pro that can simply brute force better performance out of shitty unoptimized games/engines.
Always expect a game that looks a gen behind....and somehow runs like shit too.
I think the point is that when other devs can make similar games that basically look a gen ahead of this AND run at a higher resolution AND have better framerate, the problem is more on the dev/engine side than a lack of power from the console.
That said, this sort of shit isn't going to improve. So we DO need a Ps5 pro that can simply brute force better performance out of shitty unoptimized games/engines.
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MisterXDTV
Member
Enabling "a 40 fps mode" with optional VRR would be an easy fix for this
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Portugeezer
Member
FFS I hope they release the damned thing soon so people can shut up about the mystical PS5 Pro in every performance thread.
They still have to develop for PS5. They still missed the framerate targets on this fixed hardware.
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Iced Arcade
Member
I think he's simply stating ghost looks better than Ronin. Even base PS4 looks better.
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mansoor1980
Gold Member
the indoor vs open world environments show a huge difference in graphics quality
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Lucifers Beard
Member
Oh right sorry, I didn't realise everything needed to be spoon fed to you...
Ghosts of Tsushima looks much better than this game on PS5 and runs better, indicating that it likely isn't the hardware that's the problem. Possibly an unoptimised engine.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Features:
- 3 Modes (Perf, Graphics, RT)
- Open world is 'perhaps less polished' (when compared to games like Tsushima)
- Good use of volumetrics. Specific areas use RT reflections when RT mode is used, but effect is very limited, SSR on larger bodies and interiors.
- Asset pop-in is 'quiet visible' with things drawing in very close to the camera, all modes have it.
- Game has low anisotropic filtering
- The game has a 'very last gen look', there are issues with the frame rate regardless of mode too.
Visuals:
- DF recommends sticking to the Performance mode from the get-go.
- Graphics and RT mode have optional 30 FPS cap but it causes bad frame pacing
- ll cut-scenes run at 30 FPS with bad frame pacing regardless of which mode is chosen
- Aside from resolution difference, all 3 modes generally run the same settings (Graphics have higher quality SSR)
- Graphics mode typically runs at 1152p, RT at 1008p, Perf mode generally runs at 936p
- RT mode adds reflections to limited surfaces, most places use SSR fallback, butt he SSR is lower quality than either Perf or Graphics mode. Graphics mode has the best SSR quality
- No RTAO, GI etc.
Performance:
- Performance mode has drops to low/mid 50s in opening areas, but be braced for sustained drops as low as 45~ when traversing.
- Graphics mode with the 30 FPS lock generally runs fine but with bad frame pacing
- Unlocked graphics runs between 40 to 60, generally it hovers around 45 with lows of mid 30s.
- RT mode falls between the two, slightly above Graphics. When hitting areas with RT reflections, it drops to mid 30s (lower than Graphics)
- In 3 way split, and without any RT surfaces in open outdoors, RT mode can come close to the Performance mode.
- In cities, RT mode matches or even drops below Graphics mode.
- 3 Modes (Perf, Graphics, RT)
- Open world is 'perhaps less polished' (when compared to games like Tsushima)
- Good use of volumetrics. Specific areas use RT reflections when RT mode is used, but effect is very limited, SSR on larger bodies and interiors.
- Asset pop-in is 'quiet visible' with things drawing in very close to the camera, all modes have it.
- Game has low anisotropic filtering
- The game has a 'very last gen look', there are issues with the frame rate regardless of mode too.
Visuals:
- DF recommends sticking to the Performance mode from the get-go.
- Graphics and RT mode have optional 30 FPS cap but it causes bad frame pacing
- ll cut-scenes run at 30 FPS with bad frame pacing regardless of which mode is chosen
- Aside from resolution difference, all 3 modes generally run the same settings (Graphics have higher quality SSR)
- Graphics mode typically runs at 1152p, RT at 1008p, Perf mode generally runs at 936p
- RT mode adds reflections to limited surfaces, most places use SSR fallback, butt he SSR is lower quality than either Perf or Graphics mode. Graphics mode has the best SSR quality
- No RTAO, GI etc.
Performance:
- Performance mode has drops to low/mid 50s in opening areas, but be braced for sustained drops as low as 45~ when traversing.
- Graphics mode with the 30 FPS lock generally runs fine but with bad frame pacing
- Unlocked graphics runs between 40 to 60, generally it hovers around 45 with lows of mid 30s.
- RT mode falls between the two, slightly above Graphics. When hitting areas with RT reflections, it drops to mid 30s (lower than Graphics)
- In 3 way split, and without any RT surfaces in open outdoors, RT mode can come close to the Performance mode.
- In cities, RT mode matches or even drops below Graphics mode.
fart town usa
Gold Member
Please just try playing the game or watch more footage before you write it off based on visuals alone.
The game looks great when it wants to. It is absolutely a sum of it's parts rather than any specific thing. Performance issues are negligible unless you're an autist with that sort of thing.
Maybe this is the absolute best that Team Ninja can do with their engine and an open world game? Not trying to make excuses but after spending 20+ hours in the game, it's simply fun to play and has a great vibe. That's all I ever really want from a game.
The game looks great when it wants to. It is absolutely a sum of it's parts rather than any specific thing. Performance issues are negligible unless you're an autist with that sort of thing.
Maybe this is the absolute best that Team Ninja can do with their engine and an open world game? Not trying to make excuses but after spending 20+ hours in the game, it's simply fun to play and has a great vibe. That's all I ever really want from a game.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It's actually 900p for the Performance mode and 936p for the RT mode.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I think he said it generally hangs around that in the video. Looking at the article this is what it says:
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
So it's even worse than what I wrote which is worse than what you wrote lol.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
936 p for performance mode? WTF
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Put in 16 hours into performance mode and a couple in RT with FPS cap off. Sure it drops and dips in heavy congested or geometry dense areas like city building areas. The game could've used for additional optimization, feels a little disappointing considering how well Nioh games ran on PS5 offering plethora of graphical modes with sweet spots on resolution and frame rate. Rise of The Ronin is easily the best looking Team Ninja game surpassing Nioh series and WoLong. Loved Nioh series (Put in over 300 hours and platinumed Nioh2) and WoLong (platinumed), thoroughly hooked with Rise as well.
The frame rate/limit frame rate to 30fps feels horrendous across graphics and RT mode no thanks to bad frame pacing. It gives you the feel the game is running at single digit frames when you pan the camera, oof.
The frame rate/limit frame rate to 30fps feels horrendous across graphics and RT mode no thanks to bad frame pacing. It gives you the feel the game is running at single digit frames when you pan the camera, oof.
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
You’re making me want to grab this
I’m wondering if I should wait for ps5 pro though
Tarnpanzer
Member
Gameplay looks legit. But will wait for PC or PS5 Pro before playing this.
Mibu no ookami
Member
Seems like my very clear statement still went over your head.
I don't care if its unoptimized. It's still going to look and play better on PS5 Pro than it does on PS5. There are always going to be unoptimized games. If a system exists that will allow them to be better enjoyed, I'm down for that.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
I was about to literally post the same and you've echoed my thoughts (big Team Ninja fan here). The game is pretty much Nioh open world with way more depth and nuance to the parry mechanics introduced in WoLong.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Same. The game looks really good and ticks a lot of boxes for me. I especially like the setting. Middle of the 19th century in Japan sounds fantastic. Will wait for the Pro though.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Because graphic options were a mistake. I think this generation would be better received if games were designed to one option, per console. Devs would be able to optimize that one option even better, whether it’s better IQ, better visuals or higher stable frame rate.
King Dazzar
Member
Sorry, is this on PS5 or PS3?
fart town usa
Gold Member
I appreciate that. I've said it in other Ronin threads but I am definitely not the person to gauge open world titles because I usually dislike them immensely. Same with grading Team Ninja combat because I can't remember the last time I played one of their games. So please take that into account when it comes to my thoughts on the game. My enjoyment could largely be stemmed in ignorance, lol.
Like I mentioned though, it's just fun to play and I'm really surprised at how much it has engaged me. I can see others maybe hating it or finding it boring but it's not a bad game by any means and I will stand by that. It's also not a perfect game either but the issues I have aren't related to visuals or performance. I think most of the scores are completely fair, I just feel like people are giving way too much weight to the visuals. Gamers shouldn't write it off because of the visuals alone, that seems so silly to me knowing what the game actually plays like.
King Dazzar
Member
If you really fancy the game, then for me VRR and Ray Tracing mode would do OK for now. Will just look a touch dated.
iHaunter
Member
This is FAR from a 2015 game. Also doesn't have to look amazing to be fun. Dark Souls 1 looks atrocious but is still a good game...
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Lol no it doesn't.
MisterXDTV
Member
John Wick
Member
I've thoroughly enjoyed the game. Yeah Team Ninja need UE5 or better coders. But I think this game was made too quickly. Another 6 months and would have been far better. Still right up my alley.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
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fart town usa
Gold Member
Picture yourself running/gliding/galloping through the Japanese countryside. You're petting cats, dogs, restoring public order by crushing bandit camps, praying at shrines. Finding weapons and gear like crazy. You link up with your buddies and give them gifts. Yea the graphics look real goofy at times but at other times the light hits just right and you find yourself in a stylized painting of sorts.
All the while, this music is playing in the background.
What you're playing isn't a hyper-cinematic masterpiece, what you're playing is a videogame through and through and a damn fun one at that.
All the while, this music is playing in the background.
What you're playing isn't a hyper-cinematic masterpiece, what you're playing is a videogame through and through and a damn fun one at that.
Lucifers Beard
Member
Your original comment said that people wonder why PS5 Pro is needed. In this specific case it seems like this is likely on the developers engine rather than the PS5 hardware. Especially when you take into account that Ghosts of Tsushima looks and runs better on PS5 hardware than Rise of the Ronin.
You obviously do care if it's not optimised, because you're willing to purchase better hardware to enjoy the game the way it should have been originally developed. If you want to buy an upgraded console to get better graphics and performance then fine, more power to you. That's not an excuse for poor optimisation or development though.
Del_X
Member
Because PCs exist.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
What if I only have $600 to spend for a gaming system?
Horseganador
Member
I don't know what the PS5 pro has to do here when it is a clear problem with the game and not with the PS5, GoT goes to a much higher resolution and a solid framerate with much better graphics.
T4keD0wN
Member
Because Team Ninja cant "git gud" at optimization? AKA Skill issue
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Del_X
Member
Then maybe you have bigger problems in life?
digdug2
Member
I was coming in to say the same thing.