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So Target shipped someone an Xbox One already? [Update: console-banned until launch]

mzkhadir

Neo Member
Update 3: A Microsoft spokesperson tells Engadget that the Xbox One consoles some consumers received by accident well ahead of launch on November 22nd cannot access Xbox Live until closer to launch. The statement says: "Due to a retail partner's system issue, a very small number of Xbox One consoles were shipped to consumers before the November 22 street date. We're pleased to see the initial response to Xbox One has been so positive, but given we are still putting the finishing touches on our games, UI and online services, as well as confidential partner and media agreements, these consoles units will be restricted from connecting to Xbox Live until closer to our launch date."

http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/09/early-xbox-one-details/
 

Jac_Solar

Member
I'm non partisan, I follow the games, but it seems as though a lot of people follow the companies or company employees that they like.

Yeah, that's to be expected, isn't it? If you like a company, they've most likely done something good or something you like.

But, there's a difference between giving just/deserved props to a company for something likable they've done, and simply trying to defend another company because you dislike its competition, or because you have a vested interest in either that distorts any objectiveness. Microsoft has been treating Xbox fans badly since they announced the thing -- (seemingly) intentionally mixing up the message or goals, heavy handed anti consumer DRM, seemingly intentionally being hostile towards the consumer, and so forth, while Sony has mostly been doing the right and great things (For the consumer.).

Is it really that surprising that Sony gets props when they do another right thing, while Microsoft doesn't when they haven't, or is barely treading the line between the right and wrong? They have a lot to prove if they ever want their statements and actions to not be (justly) taken with a grain of salt.
 
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Yeah, that's to be expected, isn't it? If you like a company, they've most likely done something good or something you like.

But, there's a difference between giving just/deserved props to a company for something likable they've done, and simply trying to defend another company because you dislike its competition, or because you have a vested interest in either that distorts any objectiveness. Microsoft has been treating Xbox fans badly since they announced the thing -- (seemingly) intentionally mixing up the message or goals, heavy handed anti consumer DRM, seemingly intentionally being hostile towards the consumer, and so forth, while Sony has mostly been doing the right and great things (For the consumer.).

Is it really that surprising that Sony gets props when they do another right thing, while Microsoft doesn't when they haven't, or is barely treading the line between the right and wrong? They have a lot to prove if they ever want their statements and actions to not be (justly) taken with a grain of salt.

They do have a lot to prove, but that doesn't mean that when they do something right, we can't give them props, just because Sony is doing everything right and they haven't been. Good is good and bad is bad. It's like saying "hmmm, this pizza is so fucking good, but I don't like it because when I came here last time it tasted like shit". When they do something right I acknowledge it, whether the competition is doing well or not.
 

Sckarton

Banned
I'll try to get him on a bit early, but the service, store and UI are still getting some finishing touches on it so we're not completely ready yet.

If Microsoft is banning people for buying a product legally, then congratulation for losing a long time fan since the Xbox got released and will get himself a ps4. I will never buy any product from Microsoft anymore.
 
If Microsoft is banning people for buying a product legally, then congratulation for losing a long time fan since the Xbox got released and will get himself a ps4. I will never buy any product from Microsoft anymore.

He's not banned, though. He can use his 360 and his XBL account just fine. He just can't log online onto his Xbone until a few days closer to release date. I think he can probably play single-player offline games just fine though (?).
 
I don't actually get the "see the thing in person" comments. The thing is almost as big as a PS3 FAT, and there ain't nobody alive today that says the thing is at all small in form factor. It's massive.

I've seen it in person, they're on kiosks. It's still massive. It's just a bulky device. No harm in it, few people actually care if their videogame system is big.

Truth, I'm not sure what kind of delusional pills are being taken, but the xbone is huge. Sure it's smaller form factor relative to a full blown A/V receiver, but bulky is still bulky.
 

Lynn616

Member
If Microsoft is banning people for buying a product legally, then congratulation for losing a long time fan since the Xbox got released and will get himself a ps4. I will never buy any product from Microsoft anymore.

Live is blocked until closer to the 22nd. Live for Xbox One has not launched yet. I am sure somethings are not ready yet.
 

The Flash

Banned
If Microsoft is banning people for buying a product legally, then congratulation for losing a long time fan since the Xbox got released and will get himself a ps4. I will never buy any product from Microsoft anymore.

Fight the good fight Sckarton!

PS: Mega Man sucks and Capcom is amazing :p /jk
 

Vestal

Gold Member
If Microsoft is banning people for buying a product legally, then congratulation for losing a long time fan since the Xbox got released and will get himself a ps4. I will never buy any product from Microsoft anymore.

In this post a gamer does not read through the details of what has happened and over reacts.


Welcome to neogaf!
 
Sure, you can call me Larry. As I noted, things are not ready. Also, he was not banned (his gamertag and Xbox 360 are not impacted) his console was just blocked from signing in. When things are ready, he'll get on early - that is what I am working on.

Fair enough, that is rather reasonable from my point of view. I do wonder how this will work in the future though. Will it be like the past where an individual can be banned for getting a game early and playing it?
 

MaulerX

Member
Truth, I'm not sure what kind of delusional pills are being taken, but the xbone is huge. Sure it's smaller form factor relative to a full blown A/V receiver, but bulky is still bulky.

Nah, people aren't being delusional. I've seen it in person too and I thought the same thing. Maybe it's the design that creates an optical illusion? Perhaps that two tone (half matte half shiny) does something to the eye.
 

Vestal

Gold Member
Fair enough, that is rather reasonable from my point of view. I do wonder how this will work in the future though. Will it be like the past where an individual can be banned for getting a game early and playing it?


Now that is total and complete bullshit and should NEVER EVER happen. The fault is on the retailers end for allowing a game to be sold before the street date.
 

Vestal

Gold Member
Nah, people aren't being delusional. I've seen it in person too and I thought the same thing. Maybe it's the design that creates an optical illusion? Perhaps that two tone (half matte half shiny) does something to the eye.

Yup I saw it at my local BestBuy. Maybe because I was going in with the idea of being this HUGE 1980s VCR that I saw it and came away with a WTF are people talking about feeling.
 
Now that is total and complete bullshit and should NEVER EVER happen. The fault is on the retailers end for allowing a game to be sold before the street date.

From what he just said his console is not banned nor is his live account, he is just unable to connect to Live. How is that not reasonable? Microsoft should have the ability to prevent people from connecting to Live prior to launch.
 

Apollo

Banned
what's up with the other guy that banned? All he probably did was watch Netflix since you don't see any games on the floor.
 

Vestal

Gold Member
From what he just said his console is not banned nor is his live account, he is just unable to connect to Live. How is that not reasonable? Microsoft should have the ability to prevent people from connecting to Live prior to launch.

Dude, look at what I was responding LOL. I am of the same mind set as you in regards to what happened to this guy, just look a bit further above for some of my posts regarding this thread.
 

Vestal

Gold Member
what's up with the other guy that banned? All he probably did was watch Netflix since you don't see any games on the floor.

From what Xbox rep told Engadget everyone who received an Xbone early is "banned" until the 22nd from connecting to Xbox Live on the One.
 

hoos30

Member
Folks, Xbox Live and likely the OS isn't even final. Connecting to Live could cause all sorts of problems. Not allowing the console to connect to Live is within MS's right and it's probably the right thing to do. I see nothing wrong with restricting someones access to a non-final build of the service.
Everyone on this forum understands this. Everyone. People are just throwing mud at this point.
 

Caayn

Member
what's up with the other guy that banned? All he probably did was watch Netflix since you don't see any games on the floor.
Probably done by the auto-banhammer. It most likely detected that a non-dev/non-tagged account was using an Xbox One that wasn't registered as a test/beta/etc unit.
 
This situation seems fine now that MS has explained things, and I haven't sided with them much recently. Good to know it's less of a ban and more of a block from services that aren't technically final yet.
 
Well, at least everything is explained now, so that's good.
Well, there may be still a bit of confusion for some over the next few days. Is this still the message customers will see if they get an XBox One early and log in, informing them that they're not banned, they just can't use the online services until the 22nd?



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If it is, I'd suggest coming up with something a little friendlier. Maybe toss in a rainbow or kittens or something.
 
Let's play the hypothetical game of the update patch that he downloaded is not a final release. Guy is humming along, pumping out good info, and everything looks great. Boom, system crashes, hangs up, or something to that effect.

MS has to combat this damage, to what is essentially an internal beta, not meant to be seen or used by the general public. That is potentially more damaging then knocking a guy off the network until the console and XBL is ready for the general public.

Likewise, MS (and by default Sony & Nintendo), have the right in my mind to ownership of the initial release information prior to launch. It allows them to build anticipation, and guide the narrative as they see fit. The are not going to let a leaked console derail that, and rightfully so in my mind.

MS has been trying their damndest for the past 6 months to "build anticipation and guide the narrative" around the Xbox One. They basically threw a temper tantrum because "the media" and "entitled gamers" didn't allow them to pass this controlled PR message to consumers about "unlimited graphics via cloud computing"/"balanced hardware"/"no comment on indie games"/"DRM freedom is slavery"/"Kinect must be plugged in". The entire fiasco was ridiculous. The box is a physical thing, with power, price, and software quantifiable and comparable to other products on the market.

The entire attempt was derailed by their reversals. We know that most of their statements around E3 were sleazy PR. They did what they had to do to get their preorders up, and I suppose they should be congratulated for finally listening to their customers rather than defending "the message" to the grave. But with Albert's recent statements about not knowing resolutions of the biggest launch games (before resolutiongate), and the recent banning, you get the sense that MS is still fighting tooth and nail to maintain some pretense over the launch.

You can't hide what your product is and does in consumer electronics. Not in 2013. The world has changed since the release of the iPhone and the increase in tech enthusiast websites. When people buy a modern phone/tablet, they want to know the screen resolution, CPU clock speeds, battery life, benchmark scores, build materials, camera specs, operating system version, All of this information was known about the LG/Google Nexus 5 before it was even announced. MS' attempts to control the narrative about the One launch is taking a piss in the wind. When they say "we can increase graphics 10-fold with cloud computing" and anandtech writes a rebuttal "no, that's not true", everyone knows they are full of shit.

If LIVE sucks, if the dash crashes, if the One version of 3rd party games have severe graphic deficiencies...consumers are going to know. It's their right to know. The box is $500 after all. The absurdity of the banning here is that, from all outward appearances, the machine isn't the disaster that so many have predicted; the UI is solid, the interface is slick, the games look pretty damn good. Kinect even works, for the little content they have for it at launch. MS is pushing the same losing battle Nintendo did - if people don't know what your console does or what it's capable of, the response isn't intrigue, it's apathy. No one is dropping hundreds of dollars on a mystery box.
 

Apollo

Banned
This situation seems fine now that MS has explained things, and I haven't sided with them much recently. Good to know it's less of a ban and more of a block from services that aren't technically final yet.

can't explain things when you're not emailing the ppl you banned. Not everyone reads GAF or follow Nelson on twitter.
 

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So the console is only banned unil launch. Sounds fair.
 

GYNGA

Member
Sure, you can call me Larry. As I noted, things are not ready. Also, he was not banned (his gamertag and Xbox 360 are not impacted) his console was just blocked from signing in. When things are ready, he'll get on early - that is what I am working on.
Great to hear
 

The Flash

Banned
MS has been trying their damndest for the past 6 months to "build anticipation and guide the narrative" around the Xbox One. They basically threw a temper tantrum because "the media" and "entitled gamers" didn't allow them to pass this controlled PR message to consumers about "unlimited graphics via cloud computing"/"balanced hardware"/"no comment on indie games"/"DRM freedom is slavery"/"Kinect must be plugged in". The entire fiasco was ridiculous. The box is a physical thing, with power, price, and software quantifiable and comparable to other products on the market.

The entire attempt was derailed by their reversals. We know that most of their statements around E3 were sleazy PR. They did what they had to do to get their preorders up, and I suppose they should be congratulated for finally listening to their customers rather than defending "the message" to the grave. But with Albert's recent statements about not knowing resolutions of the biggest launch games (before resolutiongate), and the recent banning, you get the sense that MS is still fighting tooth and nail to maintain some pretense over the launch.

You can't hide what your product is and does in consumer electronics. Not in 2013. The world has changed since the release of the iPhone and the increase in tech enthusiast websites. When people buy a modern phone/tablet, they want to know the screen resolution, CPU clock speeds, battery life, benchmark scores, build materials, camera specs, operating system version, All of this information was known about the LG/Google Nexus 5 before it was even announced. MS' attempts to control the narrative about the One launch is taking a piss in the wind. When they say "we can increase graphics 10-fold with cloud computing" and anandtech writes a rebuttal "no, that's not true", everyone knows they are full of shit.

If LIVE sucks, if the dash crashes, if the One version of 3rd party games have severe graphic deficiencies...consumers are going to know. It's their right to know. The box is $500 after all. The absurdity of the banning here is that, from all outward appearances, the machine isn't the disaster that so many have predicted; the UI is solid, the interface is slick, the games look pretty damn good. Kinect even works, for the little content they have for it at launch. MS is pushing the same losing battle Nintendo did - if people don't know what your console does or what it's capable of, the response isn't intrigue, it's apathy. No one is dropping hundreds of dollars on a mystery box.

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Amazing post
 

T.O.P

Banned
If Microsoft is banning people for buying a product legally, then congratulation for losing a long time fan since the Xbox got released and will get himself a ps4. I will never buy any product from Microsoft anymore.

they keep on coming jesus
 

tbm24

Member
can't explain things when you're not emailing the ppl you banned. Not everyone reads GAF or follow Nelson on twitter.
Pretty sure the user was contacted about 8 hours or so after the banning happened which turned out to be 9am Pst. So yea they can most definitely explain things when they are actively reach out.
 
If Microsoft is banning people for buying a product legally, then congratulation for losing a long time fan since the Xbox got released and will get himself a ps4. I will never buy any product from Microsoft anymore.

Good, welcome brother.

I don't care about sony, I love consumer rights.
 

Ubiquitar

Neo Member
I don't mean to be overly skeptical but was this whole thing contrived? How the hell does a company like Target ship something that's not even released to, what was it a couple of people accidentally? That alone seems ridiculous to me. Or is that something that happens all the time?
Then the beneficiaries of this mistake set the web on fire with glowing reviews and demonstrations of the greatness of the One. Videos are posted, videos are torn down, yet the pics and the tweets spread and remain like a wildfire.
Then the consoles get banned making MS the temporary bad guy. Then MS becomes the "we stick up for the small guy" hero by promising to unban the consoles.
It just seems too surreal to be true. This kind of PR is better than any commercial or advertisement you have seen by MS to date. Contrived or simply what happened? IDK.
 

Caayn

Member
Well, there may be still a bit of confusion for some over the next few days. Is this still the message customers will see if they get an XBox One early and log in, informing them that they're not banned, they just can't use the online services until the 22nd?



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If it is, I'd suggest coming up with something a little friendlier. Maybe toss in a rainbow or kittens or something.
Agreed. The message should have contained a bit more information. Microsoft should have at least mentioned the ban being lifted on the release date in that message. Other than that, I can get behind why Microsoft temporary bans consoles till launch.
 

tbm24

Member
I don't mean to be overly skeptical but was this whole thing contrived? How the hell does a company like Target ship something that's not even released to, what was it a couple of people accidentally? That alone seems ridiculous to me. Or is that something that happens all the time?
Then the beneficiaries of this mistake set the web on fire with glowing reviews and demonstrations of the greatness of the One. Videos are posted, videos are torn down, yet the pics and the tweets spread and remain like a wildfire.
Then the consoles get banned making MS the temporary bad guy. Then MS becomes the "we stick up for the small guy" hero by promising to unban the consoles.
It just seems too surreal to be true. This kind of PR is better than any commercial or advertisement you have seen by MS to date. Contrived or simply what happened? IDK.
Well, before you give retail chains like target that kind of credit, walmart almost exploded itself with a pricing glitch the other day.
 
I think there is a fundamental lack of reading comprehension here. Microsoft isn't comfortable with XBL so they are solely banning access to XBL on these Xbox Ones that slipped out.

The account isn't impacted. The 360 isn't impacted. And as far as I can tell, he can still play single player games.

It's not unreasonable at all.

And yet so many folks are using this as an opportunity to pile on Microsoft and push their agendas, whether it relates to this situation or not.
 

Dai101

Banned
I don't mean to be overly skeptical but was this whole thing contrived? How the hell does a company like Target ship something that's not even released to, what was it a couple of people accidentally? That alone seems ridiculous to me. Or is that something that happens all the time?
Then the beneficiaries of this mistake set the web on fire with glowing reviews and demonstrations of the greatness of the One. Videos are posted, videos are torn down, yet the pics and the tweets spread and remain like a wildfire.
Then the consoles get banned making MS the temporary bad guy. Then MS becomes the "we stick up for the small guy" hero by promising to unban the consoles.
It just seems too surreal to be true. This kind of PR is better than any commercial or advertisement you have seen by MS to date. Contrived or simply what happened? IDK.

I know man
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Let me get my tinfoil hat.
 
I think there is a fundamental lack of reading comprehension here. Microsoft isn't comfortable with XBL so they are solely banning access to XBL on these Xbox Ones that slipped out.

The account isn't impacted. The 360 isn't impacted. And as far as I can tell, he can still play single player games.

It's not unreasonable at all.

And yet so many folks are using this as an opportunity to pile on Microsoft and push their agendas, whether it relates to this situation or not.

yeah..and people like use is agenda to defend this kind of action

excuse me,but banning his console is a stupid overeaction,at least its for the launch date,but i dont like these kind of precedents like what happened to the halo 4 launch
 
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