That was the slippery slope that people had always warned about ... Now that we're sliding down, there may not be a way back.
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So Target shipped someone an Xbox One already? [Update: console-banned until launch]
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That was the slippery slope that people had always warned about ... Now that we're sliding down, there may not be a way back.
Son of Cervantes
Member
I agree with this. The only reason this was resolved is because Major Nelson decided it was best to put out this fire before it spread.
And I'm still not wholly convinced the guy will be unbanned on the 22nd...
Nope. The uproar simply distorted reality by claiming the console had been banned, which is not the case.
Puppet Shadow
Member
Tweaked it a bit, one thing was out of order (his unboxing video came before the twitter details), but otherwise great summary.
Penguins&PolarBears
Member
Damn missed the videos. :/
The store UI for games/apps looks so clean and clear. I love it. Much better than 360.
They are probably only going to ban his console until launch and then possibly give him first party games for free as an apology for the shipping error. I do not feel sorry for this guy, he is very lucky to benefit from this mistake. Also for a regular Joe he did an awesome job of capturing everything and giving impressions.
Why do people here bring this up constantly like it was a bad deal? They paid $400M to be the official game console, OS, tablet (Surface) of the NFL for 5 years. I hear that a lot of people watch this football thing.
Considering MS spends over $500M on advertising every time they launch a new product (ie. Kinect, Xbox, Surface, Windows), $400M spread out over 5 years is like chump change to a company making about $25B in profit every year. Honestly the NFL is probably worth a much bigger investment, especially if they can eventually get Sunday ticket or some exclusive interactivity with NFL broadcasts for Windows/Xbox.
Pre-ordering movies? Yes, they took my suggestion like they said, guess they weren't just being polite.
The store UI for games/apps looks so clean and clear. I love it. Much better than 360.
They are probably only going to ban his console until launch and then possibly give him first party games for free as an apology for the shipping error. I do not feel sorry for this guy, he is very lucky to benefit from this mistake. Also for a regular Joe he did an awesome job of capturing everything and giving impressions.
Why do people here bring this up constantly like it was a bad deal? They paid $400M to be the official game console, OS, tablet (Surface) of the NFL for 5 years. I hear that a lot of people watch this football thing.
Considering MS spends over $500M on advertising every time they launch a new product (ie. Kinect, Xbox, Surface, Windows), $400M spread out over 5 years is like chump change to a company making about $25B in profit every year. Honestly the NFL is probably worth a much bigger investment, especially if they can eventually get Sunday ticket or some exclusive interactivity with NFL broadcasts for Windows/Xbox.
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Pre-ordering movies? Yes, they took my suggestion like they said, guess they weren't just being polite.
yup the whole thing is slimy as hell
The Red Wizard
Member
Wow; this kind of behaviour from MS makes me not want to buy another of its products again. I'd rather not risk being treated like a thief even though I'm a legitimate customer. SteamOS can't come soon enough.
Steverulez
Member
Pre-ordering movies? Yes, they took my suggestion like they said, guess they weren't just being polite.
I presume they'll let us pre-order games then even if we can't pre-load? I hope so anyway, would be strange to offer one and not the other. But this is Microsoft we're talking about...
That's what you call spin. You phrase it in a way to make it sound like your solution was always the plan. If it was, the. He would have never been allowed access. The fact is, Microsoft has recently done a similar thing -- when their DRM was pulled back, they made up features that were never meant to be implemented to make it seem like a punishment.
No. It wasn't something they'd really considered.
He should fight the unboxing video copyright claim on Youtube, it should get overturned.
Other than that, couldn't MS, the supposed god of software, put a message when a console is banned that gives more detail. For his console, it would be a simple message saying "access to Xbox Live network for Xbox One is restricted until the general release on Nov 22." It would avoid all this controversy
Other than that, couldn't MS, the supposed god of software, put a message when a console is banned that gives more detail. For his console, it would be a simple message saying "access to Xbox Live network for Xbox One is restricted until the general release on Nov 22." It would avoid all this controversy
This.
MS wasn't planning on Target prematurely releasing consoles. And as another picture already showed are MS employers already playing, so it makes sense that the service is accessible. Also do I not see how you would conclude from this that they wouldn't get unbanned.
There's a chance that you're right, but please don't act as if it was 100% fact.
btw this part
Is also just a theory that you accept as fact. Cboat has been wrong several times, he might have been wrong there as well. Don't treat rumors as facts
Puppet Shadow
Member
Ya, they should have had a plan in place that checks to see if you're on their white list, and if not just display a message that players should be prepared for awesomeness on the 22nd.
Probably to tie in with a wider marketing campaign.
vikingvessel
Member
Do you honestly believe that if Yoshida never acknowledged the question or went with a Penello shuffle that it wouldn't have been called out here? Come on, all is fair game. The guy was asked a very simple question and could not have given a more direct answer. You have been paying attention. It is not as common a practice as many would hope.
Marvel
could never
That would have been a smart thing to do. I'm surprised it wasn't done to be honest, Microsoft had to know there would be some out in the wild. They've handled it poorly by straight banning people without any further info.
But I'm glad they are lifting bans on the release date. (if I am correct on this)
You seem really well versed in this spin thing
It's the same on 360, pre release meant ban till launch if you break the tos, nothing new here
Retailers can't handle two product launches of this scale at the same time.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
This topic is full of the worst apologist nonsense I have seen since the original DRM meltdowns. Just that numbered "summary" above trying to paint the dude and all negativity in the most bitchy manner possible is frankly amazing alone.
This was not an something they expected to happen. You typically just don't expect the console to beat street date by 2 weeks. It was a Target cock up that led to this.
no that was not the plan. major nelson would have just let him know that and not get personally involved. there was no preparation for this sort of thing.
They could just want to have an extra weeks worth of stock available for launch.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Major Nelson wouldn't be trying to resolve this if it was according to plan.
Journalism degree and worked in PR with Fortune 500 companies until I got fed up with it. I know how it works, I know what the meetings are like; been there, done that.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Someone get this man a GAF account.
console beeing sold 2 weeks before the Street date, was not part of the plan either.
If this guy really has a receipt showing the date of his purchase, I highly doubt he would have stayed banned forever.
Vestal
Gold Member
oh you.
Major Nelson doesn't know everything. His comment of "resolving" this could also be taken as "I'll look into this". I doubt that he had anything to do with the decision of banning the consoles
Putting aside the fact that you can't commit a "copyright fraud" by asking Youtube to take something down, it's worth noting that before the product is made publicly available copyright owner retains more rights and control over it. It is not clear at all whether this claim could not be successful in a court and it is definitely not clear enough to use as strong wording as you opted to in your post.
Dreams-Visions
Member
what happened to the pics in the OP? (the UI pics that were up last night)
Microsoft call for them to be taken down?
Microsoft call for them to be taken down?
Not buying it. The director of xbox live knows nothing about a ban release date for xbox ones? gtfo. If that was true he would of stated it.
If the Xbox team never had discussions of what they would do if users received their consoles early and tried to log into live then they are stupid as shit. They had to know that some would be given earlier than the 22nd and they should have prepared for it. But then again this is the same team that didn't think that taking the word Xbox and the word One and combining them would give Xbone so they may have been that stupid.
He probably knew nothing about the bans in the first place.
Do you guys really think Microsoft sat around a few weeks ago and said "let's ban anyone that gets their hands on a console early"?
Director of programming for Xbox Live.
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
Being banned until launch makes complete sense.
Edit:
I also see that a couple of people had meltdowns in the past 12 hours.
Edit:
I also see that a couple of people had meltdowns in the past 12 hours.
The_Afroman
Member
This. ^ I'm no "fan" of any major company. I go where the games are.. I buy them all and play them all. I have both consoles pre-ordered. The ban sucks. BUT the MS response was good. Major Nelson stepped up and will take care of this guy.
Lets agree. The GUI on the One looks damn good. This is an exciting time to be a gamer. So much fun to be had this holiday season. Relax guys and lets sit back and wait for this to unfold.
Anticitizen One
Banned
Yea its just like when a week before e3 MS said they wouldn't be doing any Q&A sessions with the press because they didn't want people asking about the DRM policies
Thanks for the summary.
No, but the problem was they had no plan in place. If i was releasing a product, I would account for a situation where someone could receive the product before release date. Poor planning.
Ok, he should still know.
Metal Gear?!
Member
1) Making a DMCA claim on Youtube is making a copyright claim. Making a copyright ownership claim over a video they didn't make is FRAUD.
2) No just because there's a street date (an agreement between a manufacturer and retailer, not a law) on a product does not give them "more rights and control over it." The consequences of breaking the street date fall entirely upon the shoulders of Target, who made the agreement with Microsoft. Once Target gave the product to the user, that user owns it, period. The user can take pictures of it, record video of it, or go all office space on it. It's theirs. It already passed from Microsoft's hands when they sold it to Target, and from Target's hands to the user. If they want it back so badly they will have to strike an agreement with the user (i.e. buy it from them).
IAmRandom31
Banned
Post # 2450
Being predictable is so predictable.
Being predictable is so predictable.
There is a thread about what was discovered.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=711880
This thread is about the ban.
