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Game Informer: PS4's boot time makes us eager for 'suspend & resume'

viveks86 said:
I don't even know if you need to cold boot after the first time. Standby should definitely be quicker than cold boot?
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You won't. The only time you'll be doing a cold boot is the first time you plug it in and (probably) when a firmware update is installed. That's it. The rest of the time you will just be sleeping and waking the hardware. That will be near instantaneous.
 
Wait, 30 seconds to get on the main menu/home screen or 30 seconds to have the game running?

If it's 30s just to startup the console, I don't know, that seems kind of slow. Not a deal-breaker or anything, but still.
 
chris0701 said:
How PS4 can enter standby off , while there is no battery , AC power on box ?
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Yes.

Mass Effect said:
Wait, 30 seconds to get on the main menu/home screen or 30 seconds to have the game running?

If it's 30s just to startup the console, I don't know, that seems kind of slow. Not a deal-breaker or anything, but still.
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To get to the main menu. But that's probably one time, since the console would be on standby by default. Cold boot is really the worst case scenario.

Brad Grenz said:
You won't. The only time you'll be doing a cold boot is the first time you plug it in and (probably) when a firmware update is installed. That's it. The rest of the time you will just be sleeping and waking the hardware. That will be near instantaneous.
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I wonder if standby = sleep though. Probably equivalent to hibernate? Definitely faster than cold boot, but slower than sleep?
 
The boot time is what it is but I'm still bitter about the lack of suspend and resume at launch. It's shitty. Not telling us about the absence of the feature sooner is shitty.
Any Vita owner can tell you that it's an essential feature for next-gen. 1080p be damned.
 
Jinfash said:
So the delayed suspend/resume feature doesn't include the lower-power standby mode?
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As far as I can tell you can't resume a game when you wake from a low power state - it shuts down the game if you go into the low power state. But everything I've read suggests sleeping and waking the system is in. If that's the case I'm not sure what gi is talking about.
 
Wish it was five.. Oh well, i guess i will survive.
It will take me 45 seconds to wake up and play Killzone Shadowfall.

Damn, it's even too little to make some coffee.
 
so1337 said:
The boot time is what it is but I'm still bitter about the lack of suspend and resume at launch. It's shitty. Not telling us about the absence of the feature sooner is shitty.
Any Vita owner can tell you that it's an essential feature for next-gen. 1080p be damned.
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Stand by is still there. You don't need to cold boot every time. Not as cool as suspend resume for games (which will come soon) but still a LOT better than cold booting every time :)

Always-honest said:
Wish it was five.. Oh well, i guess i will survive.
It will take me 45 seconds to wake up and play Killzone Shadowfall.

Damn, it's even too little to make some coffee.
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Nope. The 30 seconds is the time to cold boot. Not to wake up. Waking up from standby should be a lot faster.

gofreak said:
As far as I can tell you can't resume a game when you wake from a low power state - it shuts down the game if you go into the low power state. But everything I've read suggests sleeping and waking the system is in. If that's the case I'm not sure what gi is talking about.
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I think they are talking about a cold boot and hadn't realized that standby (low power state) is still there at launch.
 
kazebyaka said:
My PC boots for ten minutes, I can deal with 30 second boot time on PS4.
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If I weren't hunting for a ban I'd make this post nothing more than a doge. 10 minutes to boot is INSANE. My boot time is like 11 seconds (granted, on SSD) and I'm already thinking of reformatting.

viveks86 said:
I don't even know if you need to cold boot after the first time. Standby should definitely be quicker than cold boot?
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Yeah standby should be the default "off but still plugged in" state. First boot will take a while, subsequent boots would be something like Sleep on a windows PC. Suspend sounds like a static OS/game state saved directly to non-volatile memory so it kinda-sorta makes sense that a suspended session can't perform any operations in a low power state. The lack of suspend/resume at launch is pretty shitty though. Not a feature I see myself using much, but still... C'mon Sony.
 
Uh, what's this about the original PS3 taking 20 seconds to boot?

I've got an 80gb phat PS3, and I barely have time to switch on the TV and grab my controller before the XMB is loaded up and waiting for me.
 
viveks86 said:
To get to the main menu. But that's probably one time, since the console would be on standby by default. Cold boot is really the worst case scenario.
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I see. Hmm, well I never really liked to leave my PS2 in standby, so I don't know if I want to do that with the PS4 either.

Either way, it's not that big of a deal.
 
The PS4 booting 10 seconds slower than the PS3 has finally driven me to pre-order the Xbox One.

PaulloDEC said:
Uh, what's this about the original PS3 taking 20 seconds to boot?
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I just timed both my PS3s, and it's a little over 20 seconds between the beep and me being able to navigate the menu.
 
Disappointing, if it starts updating games after such a long boot I will probably throw it out the window.

One of the most refreshing things Iwata said when he debuted the Revolution was, small, light and fast to boot. I hope they will fix it to be 10 or less.
 
Visualante2 said:
Disappointing, if it starts updating games after such a long boot I will probably throw it out the window.

One of the most refreshing things Iwata said when he debuted the Revolution was, small, light and fast to boot. I hope they will fix it to be 10 or less.
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Revolution lol. What year am I in?
 
So it's exactly like the Xbone. I said it in the Xbone thread and I say it again, that's slightly longer than I would want it to be but no biggy. I'm not sure yet if I'm going to use suspend regularly, energy/power consumption is nothing to play with.
 
so1337 said:
Well, now I'm confused. What's the difference?
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Stand by takes your system to a low power state. What computer/laptop do you have? It's similar to hibernate on windows or deep sleep on mac. It doesn't go through the whole boot screen when you reopen it. It just resumes whenever you wake it up. Might take a few seconds, but shouldn't take 30.

Suspend/resume for games allows you to pick up the game exactly where you left off, even after you put your system on stand by and wake it up. That's the feature that is not there at launch. Stand by, is still there. Also, you can still multitask at launch and "suspend" your game. It just wouldn't remain suspended if you power down your PS4 at launch.
 
30 seconds lol

I'm confused about the standby mode though. PS3 slim is always on standby since there isn't a power switch. PS4 doesn't have one either so i assumed that it was always going to be in standby by default. Or is PS4 standby more like a sleep mode like Vita? I doubt it since Suspend mode sounds more like Vita.

So from what i think, standby will have the 30 sec boot and Suspend will probably be instant or something.
 
Frankly, this just sounds like the sort of hardware weirdness that should be expected out of launch machines. Around the first revision, this is the sort of detail that can be tackled. For right now though, there were likely more pressing issues when designing hardware than startup time. 30 seconds is long, but in no way unacceptable/unusable.
 
I would've love to see the reaction of some people if this was about the Xbone.

On topic, 30 seconds is not that much.
 
PaulloDEC said:
Uh, what's this about the original PS3 taking 20 seconds to boot?

I've got an 80gb phat PS3, and I barely have time to switch on the TV and grab my controller before the XMB is loaded up and waiting for me.
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lol, okay? probably takes longer than 20 seconds.
 
Killing_Joke said:
30 seconds lol

I'm confused about the standby mode though. PS3 slim is always on standby since there isn't a power switch. PS4 doesn't have one either so i assumed that it was always going to be in standby by default. Or is PS4 standby more like a sleep mode like Vita? I doubt it since Suspend mode sounds more like Vita.

So from what i think, standby will have the 30 sec boot and Suspend will probably be instant or something.
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no


suspending a game is like having a game on a pc open and you're playing it. you decide you want to go to a web browser and look something up, so you switch out of the game.

the game on a pc runs in the background, but since the console won't "run" the game in the background while you're jerking off to pron, the game will save its state at which point you can go back to it and resume at that point you suspended the game.



it might make more sense to call it a "save state" to people who have used things that are capable of doing so.



putting your console on standby may include the above functionality at some point when "suspend & resume" is patched in. but standby mode is a low-power mode that offers its own functionality of downloading games you buy and applying patches on its own.
 
again, it's more than 30 seconds if you include the time to load into whatever game you were last playing. That's easily another 30 seconds, possibly more if you have to load a saved game. in current gen, it's about 2 minutes from cold boot to playing a game.
 
RanoNL said:
Will it download my games during the boot? Because than the 30 seconds are not waisted!
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It downloads your games even before booting. They confirmed that game downloads can continue even on stand by.

EDIT: I didn't word that right. Here's the answer straight from the FAQ:

Yes, PS4’s stand-by mode deactivates its primary functions to reduce energy usage, though it is still able to charge DUALSHOCK 4 wireless controllers and download system updates in this power-saving mode. As an added benefit for PlayStation Plus members, PS4 can automatically download game patches when in standby mode as well.
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RanoNL said:
Will it download my games during the boot? Because than the 30 seconds are not waisted!
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I wouldn't think so. that's just the time it takes to load the OS and the menus. You haven't even signed in to PSN until after that 30 seconds, so how could it know which games to download?
 
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