Diprosalic
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720p is bad enough but sub 30fps is just flat out wrong and unplayable for me.
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Digital Foundry vs. Dead Rising 3
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fps drops to 16fps let you have the feel of somehow having to blow thru 200 zombies ... it captures the adrenaline and intensity of the situation.
Its a design choice. nuff said. Artistic vision.
EDIT: Didn't cboat mention this was having framerate trouble and MS was flying in engineers to try and fix it? I'm pretty sure he mentioned atleast the framerate problems.
Its a design choice. nuff said. Artistic vision.
EDIT: Didn't cboat mention this was having framerate trouble and MS was flying in engineers to try and fix it? I'm pretty sure he mentioned atleast the framerate problems.
Exactly, it sucks, the jump from PS2->PS3 was a big one in terms of image quality. This gen, it will be another kind of jump, we might get nicer graphics, but the resolution and framerate still won't go up to the levels we expect. We will get other kind of improvements though. AI, more open levels, faster loadings, better audio quality. There are loads of fields where the new consoles will give us next gen improvements.
Image quality (Resolution, AA, AF, framerate) won't be one of them in my opinion.
What I think it will happen, is that instead of photo realistic graphics, most companies will start betting on stylized graphics all over again, and that way, simpler ways to achieve high resolutions and framerates without needing much power
Ex: What WiiU is doing. Just take a look at Pikmin 3, SMB3D, NintendoLand, Sonic World.
This is just pathetic.
When people talk about 720 vs 1080... you know, in the end is not that simple, even at 720p you can get pretty good image quality, with a nice combination of filtering techniques... and then if the frame-rate is 30 fps, but solid, it's not that bad neither.
But this game, this is just a fucking mess, the aliasing makes everything horrible, add to that texture streaming problems and 20 fps and man... it's kind of sad.
When people talk about 720 vs 1080... you know, in the end is not that simple, even at 720p you can get pretty good image quality, with a nice combination of filtering techniques... and then if the frame-rate is 30 fps, but solid, it's not that bad neither.
But this game, this is just a fucking mess, the aliasing makes everything horrible, add to that texture streaming problems and 20 fps and man... it's kind of sad.
KingSunIsFree
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GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
You ARE being sarcastic ... right?
Did you buy the case files? You might even be 5 people!
Riky
$MSFT
Good, that and the fact the world is bigger than Dead Rising and DR2 put together shows it wouldn't have been possible last gen.
Sleeplessnights
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Black Mantis
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Capcom themselves mentioned that they were having issues and Microsoft assisted them.
dude dont you guys know. Like in cop shoot outs and all the cops in life or death situations say they enter this sort of trance where everything is slowmotion. Now imagine your car is surrounded by 200 zombies. Wouldn't your senses go into overdrive like that too.
This was a good choice. I approve. More games should move towards this.
Vestal
Junior Member
problem is we don't have a dr3 ps4 version to compare.
if we were going by the numbers, and lets just take the highest performance number out there of 50% you are still left with sub 30fps dips at 720p.
this is taking the DF article by face value assuming its final code in both the hardware and the game.
Hahaha, why not just implement bullet time?
You have it backwards. A game that started as a 360 title should be running better on the new hardware, not just as bad.
LabouredSubterfuge
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It got balanced and optimised.
Holy cow, you're describing framerate drops as bullet time?
real life doesnt let you choose when your senses go into overdrive ... why should a game ... bullettime inherent in game design is the way forward ... balancing framerates inversely with on screen zombies is a viable solution.
Subie_Greg
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wapplew
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Wait what? 6m copy sold= 6m people bought? Is this logical?
Lol at towards the end of the video.
If only there was a way to slow down the game without dropping the framerate... but no one ever did it in the history of forever, so it's clearly impossible.
Not surprising at all, several people who played it at E3 said it ran like garbage behind closed doors, even questioning why they would show the game in that state, 10fps. So this is a improvement if anything.
You will see far better looking games than this in a year on the Xbone, this barely looks like a step up from 360 games. Aka we have another "Xbox 360.5" esh moment similar to Xbox 1.5 when people saw Perfect Dark Zero etc.
You will see far better looking games than this in a year on the Xbone, this barely looks like a step up from 360 games. Aka we have another "Xbox 360.5" esh moment similar to Xbox 1.5 when people saw Perfect Dark Zero etc.
Did they keep you guys in a certain area or certain level?
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
PuppetMaster
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Oh you give Capcom too much credit. Truely it was Sega who pioneered this ground breaking effect with their PS3 Bayonetta port. Choosing to choke the frame rate into the 20's to heighten the climax moments. Pushing the senses into overdrive as you say.
RedNumberFive
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I think he was looking forward to Xbone fans spending their money before they found out about this.
lowhighkang_LHK
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I like how people keep lobbing in PS4 into this equation anytime some Xbox One game underperforms technically. What may happen 5 years from now, nobody knows. But at this juncture, next to every PS4 game exclusive or multiplatform is 1080p. The worst offender is Battlefield 4, which is 900p, however the game manages it's 60 fps far better than it's competitors. Making it the best choice on console.
This isn't a next-gen issue, this is a Xbox One issue.
Alx
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Erm, no, everybody could notice the framerate issues at E3, and the guys from Capcom themselves said that they were getting frequent help from MS engineers (although I think they were driving there instead of flying, since they're not far away).
"cboat" isn't the source of all information here...
I remember being impressed by the high-res closeups on the psychos faces, too.
Broder Salsa
Banned
People people... He's joking and you're being the hilarious part of this for eating it up raw.
gutterboy44
Member
For those referencing the GiantBomb Quick Look; didn't they explain that they were in a sandbox within the "sandbox" of the DR3 game? That it was a contained demo area? That might explain the more merciful framerate, or like others have said, more difficult to detect with youtube, etc.
Shit, it is fun to get on the hate train but I have to imagine that god awful car and rocks screen shot is catching someone at a bad angle, all double chinned with a candid photo..well, let's hope that is the case.
Shit, it is fun to get on the hate train but I have to imagine that god awful car and rocks screen shot is catching someone at a bad angle, all double chinned with a candid photo..well, let's hope that is the case.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Yes, I just went through his posts. I fell for it and I'm ashamed ...
Miles Quaritch
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Something is definitely off. There's also plenty of footage showing the game with a relatively solid frame-rate.
Not sure what's going on with the footage DF saw.
GodParticle
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Sub-30 framerates? Nope Nope Nope
plagiarize
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I wish people would stop saying crap like 'this series always had bad frame rates' etc. Dead Rising 1 was Native 720p, with a more consistent framerate than 2, with better anti aliasing, with motion blur (that went missing in 2).
CAPCOM Vancouver suck technically. They always did, but from a performance and image quality perspective, Dead Rising 3 runs worse than the near launch Xbox 360 title Dead Rising 1.
Every 'reason' you can give why this would be, could also be applied to the original, and yet they didn't have all these problems. As I've said, I don't think this is a knock on the Xbox One. There are plenty of valid knocks on the Xbox One.
But dear god people, stop making any other excuses for this other than 'CAPCOM Vancouver have never been close to technically sound'.
Dead Rising 1 ran better, at the same resolution, with much better anti aliasing, right near launch.
There is no reason why this should perform worse than the original, with inferior image quality.
And DR1 had a nice colorful art style with decent texture quality across the board. No textures in that game look as bad as some in these screenshots, apart from perhaps some only seen from way off in the distance.
There is no excuse for this game running worse, with inferior image quality to a launch window game from last gen in the same fucking series.
CAPCOM Vancouver suck technically. They always did, but from a performance and image quality perspective, Dead Rising 3 runs worse than the near launch Xbox 360 title Dead Rising 1.
Every 'reason' you can give why this would be, could also be applied to the original, and yet they didn't have all these problems. As I've said, I don't think this is a knock on the Xbox One. There are plenty of valid knocks on the Xbox One.
But dear god people, stop making any other excuses for this other than 'CAPCOM Vancouver have never been close to technically sound'.
Dead Rising 1 ran better, at the same resolution, with much better anti aliasing, right near launch.
There is no reason why this should perform worse than the original, with inferior image quality.
And DR1 had a nice colorful art style with decent texture quality across the board. No textures in that game look as bad as some in these screenshots, apart from perhaps some only seen from way off in the distance.
There is no excuse for this game running worse, with inferior image quality to a launch window game from last gen in the same fucking series.
phosphor112
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Dem frame dips. I said damn.
Dictator93
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Your eyes maybe did not notice it a whole bunch due to object motionblur (in comparison to thirty).. but your hands should have.
Heck I can see and feel the difference.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Seems like what I have come to expect from Dead Rising. Oh well that was the last reason I had for picking a Xbone up. I just can't justify it anymore.
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