Yea, about that... It's not about a performance deficiency according to DF. Lowering resolution might worsen the issue?
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Yea, about that... It's not about a performance deficiency according to DF. Lowering resolution might worsen the issue?
BruiserBear
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I disagree. I actually think Polygon was right to score the PS4 version lower. The framerate is a big deal in a game like COD, and the PS4 version at launch was significantly worse than the XB1 version. However, as I mentioned, the PS4 version is already running better now after several patches. It's still not equal to the XB1 version in this department, but it's getting closer.
Partially. The game still drops frames at times, but yes, some of it was also caused by the framerate going over 60. Either way, it's not good. Going higher than 60 introduces judder, which is still a noticeable problem.
Even going over 60 is a problem. You want the framerate as steady as possible. Going higher is really not much better than going lower.
I honestly don't think it's all that different from Infinity Ward's previous COD, which was Modern Warfare 3. The multiplayer is comparable to that game in many ways.
Ah, ok. Neeeevermind then.
Ya know it's funny that DF figured out that stuff about the game running at higher than 60fps...because I've been playing the PS4 version since launch and I was beginning to think I was crazy because I wasn't seeing these disastrous framerate drops that the press kept talking about...
But "judder" was a much better word to describe what I was noticing...and it makes me feel a little less crazy...still mind boggling to me that one console is pushing TWICE the pixels...and probably has a higher average framerate...crazy...
But "judder" was a much better word to describe what I was noticing...and it makes me feel a little less crazy...still mind boggling to me that one console is pushing TWICE the pixels...and probably has a higher average framerate...crazy...
Er, the framerate judder is coming from the framerate being too high. If they downscaled to 900p it would introduce even more hitching.
What they really need to do is upscale to 4k. That should slow the framerate down a bit.
Also I've been playing on PS4 and haven't noticed much framerate hitching, if any.
Except the PS4 versions framerate drops are mostly spikes where it goes over 60fps.
I was just pointing out that this was not a problem with the hardware but the software on IW's side and will probably be fully fixed. Still, it does make it look like there are frame drops.
SirCrush
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OMFG that is priceless lmao
This Sony Persecution Complex is getting ridiculous.
BigDaddyFatSack
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Not quite. I've seen many framerate drops on PC games in the past to know the difference.
The article also states that framerate drops to as low as 40 but it's not as noticeable compare to when framerate goes over 60.
Or 900p@120fps locked.
Krusenstern
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The 360 and PS3 are also perfectly capable of doing 1080p60 (and both systems have games that run at that resolution/framerate), but their typical target resolutions and framerates for AAA titles haven't changed much over the course of the gen.
Nobody denies that the XBO will get 1080p games (obviously, since it already is getting 1080p games), but if lower resolutions are a reasonably comfortable compromise on the console right now for many developers, that's not necessarily going to go away as people get better with the hardware. Really depends on how the hardware opens itself up over the gen.
Not saying it won't happen, but I don't think it's at all obvious that AAA releases will regularly target 1080p later on either.
I just started playing BF4 on PS4 and I can already tell the difference since this is the first non 1080p game I've played on the machine. It's pretty similar to how I was after playing PC games for so long it becomes way easier to spot how ugly PS3/360 games are, it's way easier to spot a game that's not 1080p on this too.
BruiserBear
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Long story, not really that exciting. Brother is broke and I offered to buy him Ghosts on the 360. I realized that by letting him log in as me, he could buy it on his console digitally, and then play it under his gamertag. I could then log in on my console and play it too, as long as I was online as me. That's how the digital ownership thing works on these consoles. So I was going to wait for next gen, but I bought it for him, and in the process got to play that version for "free". Then when I got my XB1, I paid the $10 and was able to get that version as well. $10 was worth it to me to get to check out that version too.
Got the PS4 version because I wanted to do a proper controller comparison and see the 1080p myself.
No way...I'd say I've seen the judder from the framerate increases WAY more than I've experienced actual frame drops...
im more and mor convienced that at least some of the people claiming that they dont see a difference do indeed not see a difference. and that is because they have bad eyesight.
This cant be stressed enough, those people just cant admit that they need glasses.
The amount of people at my work who run their monitors below its native resolution because "everything is to small" is mind blowing high..
lol at the GIF. fantastic
This cant be stressed enough, those people just cant admit that they need glasses.
The amount of people at my work who run their monitors below its native resolution because "everything is to small" is mind blowing high..
lol at the GIF. fantastic
CouldBeWorse
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Great post. Thanks for the info. I'm probably going with the PS4 version once some of my RL friends pick it up.
I'm noticing a little weirdness with the X1 controller, too. It feels a little off and I can't figure out why.
I'm noticing a little weirdness with the X1 controller, too. It feels a little off and I can't figure out why.
Personally, resolution situation has not bothered me much. If a game comes out for PS4 in the next few years at 720p resolution, my mind won't break. Rather it's the surprising dismissal of objective difference in resolution for the same game between the two versions which puts PS4 ahead of the competition.
Are the gaming media seriously dismissing performance advantage and price advantage aside to support the console founded in the god's 'murica?
Are the gaming media seriously dismissing performance advantage and price advantage aside to support the console founded in the god's 'murica?
I think it's probably equally naive to think that developers are going to find TWICE the pixel pushing power from one game to its sequel...while there were massive improvements on the PS3 and 360...not many sequels were pushing twice the pixels of its predecessor...
you are thinking that its a power issue when its really just working out the esram issue.
There are 1080p games running on the xbone from third parties.
I haven't played the X1 COD:Ghosts, but when I fired up the PS4 version of the game it was like a night and day difference over the PS3 version. It looked way better in every way and 1080p gave the image such a beautiful sharpness and clarity.
In regards to framerate, it was a problem at launch but it's gotten a lot better after the few patches. I've seen framerate issues maybe once every 2-3 matches. Before it would happen every match, multiple times during the match. I'm sure they'll be able to eliminate it completely soon.
In regards to framerate, it was a problem at launch but it's gotten a lot better after the few patches. I've seen framerate issues maybe once every 2-3 matches. Before it would happen every match, multiple times during the match. I'm sure they'll be able to eliminate it completely soon.
The difference between 720p and 1080p is pretty substantial to me. It would be easier for me to play my PS4 on the 270p TV in my room, but I've been hooking it up to my 1080p speakerless monitor (I have to use headphones to hear anything from that monitor) after comparing the two. 720p is perfectly playable, but once you see the difference between the two in games like Shadow Fall, a preference definitely emerges.
I don't think 720p ruins Xbox One. In fact, if it weren't for the higher price and questionable fee-to-play elements in their full $60 titles, I'd probably have one sooner rather than later. That said, if I had both consoles and a multi platform game was on PS4 in higher resolution, I wouldn't hesitate to go PS4.
I don't think 720p ruins Xbox One. In fact, if it weren't for the higher price and questionable fee-to-play elements in their full $60 titles, I'd probably have one sooner rather than later. That said, if I had both consoles and a multi platform game was on PS4 in higher resolution, I wouldn't hesitate to go PS4.
I would argue that figuring out the cell was much more of a handicap then esram is...and CoD on the PS3 never doubled its resolution...to the contrary the more powerful PS3 continued to run at a lower res...while you're expecting the LESS powerful Xbone to double it's res to catch the more powerful Ps4 while maintaining all of the same assets?.....hmmm...
To bad the frame rate isn't a drop how long does it take people to understand this.....in fact it's a frame rate spike where the frame rate is too HIGH. Those with 120hz displays or higher won't notice these "drops" but anyone with a standard monitor or tv will notice the stutter and see it as a drop.
Guess what dude it's the fact that the frame rate is too high.
There are 1080p games running on the PS3 from third parties as well. Yes I said PS3 not PS4. It all depends on the graphical complexity. FPS's are a tough bunch to crack because you can immediately turn 180 degrees and the load on the engine can vary greatly from one to another. Not the case non-open world driving games or third person action games with fixed camera, where variance from frame to frame is low.
Think of it this way, there are NO FPS's out for XB1 that run above 720p, including the one in the horizon, Titanfall.
Actually, to add one more thing.
Was that before you returned your PS4 and sold it?
Was that before you returned your PS4 and sold it?
ricen-beans
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Been playing PS4 COD all of launch week with a lil bit of KZ and Resogun and had my buddy over last weekend to check it out.
He's a hardcore cod fan and primarily games on 360. Had an Xbone preordered not a PS4.
Was amazed by 1080p COD and said he couldn't wait for his Xbone to arrive on Friday.
Went over to his house yesterday to check it out and immediately noticed the difference on his 60" TV. I have a 65".
Needless to say, he was a little disappointed and even said "I guess u can tell the difference huh"
There was a huge difference. Since I had been playing cod literally 10min before I got to his house. But didn't want to make him feel bad. Said it didn't look THAT bad.
He's a hardcore cod fan and primarily games on 360. Had an Xbone preordered not a PS4.
Was amazed by 1080p COD and said he couldn't wait for his Xbone to arrive on Friday.
Went over to his house yesterday to check it out and immediately noticed the difference on his 60" TV. I have a 65".
Needless to say, he was a little disappointed and even said "I guess u can tell the difference huh"
There was a huge difference. Since I had been playing cod literally 10min before I got to his house. But didn't want to make him feel bad. Said it didn't look THAT bad.
EGOMON
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Should have added subtitle "Fuck fuck he is 720p!" when Banderas yells lol
BigDaddyFatSack
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Amazon accepts open boxes.
If I really cared about resolution, I would've gotten a new videocard for my i5 2500k for some glorious 1440p gaming. Now, THAT'S awesome. Hmmm but most likely I will just put it towards future HDTV upgrade from my Samsung 40"
legacyzero
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It still looks great though. I've been playing the hell out of it (after they fixed the damn thing). But yeah, you can certainly tell as there's still a bit of blur. And it suffers from the same issue OP mentioned about picking up far off targets.
I'd like to see how bad it is compared to the Xbone version, though. Isn't that one 720?
pretty done
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It was easily noticeable in AC4 as well prepatch. Everything had a blur/jaggy tiny to it before, now it's all smooth.
Speaking of which, I wanna see AC4 PS4 prepatch/postpatch vs AC4 XBONE
LOL nice,
Also from the same post:
I'm a big Apple fanboy (although that's bound to change if Apple doesn't start innovating again) and even I can admit that Siri is a piece of garbage, damn that's low standards.It's still not as good as Siri on iOS, but if MS gets it to that point... Holy shit it's going to be glorious.
You sure about that one?...don't the consoles output at 60hz no matter what?
I was going by others in the thread with high hz displays.
Assuming s/he thinks the agenda is anti-Sony and not simply Pro-MS.
What's good about a high resolution if the framerate drops and affects your ability to aim or move? Ridiculous. Anyone that's played FPS on PCs for years remembers how everyone used to drop the resolution as much as possible to increase framerate. Because it's more important.
Don't assume that if you're a console warrior that everyone else is too. I only own a PS4 (and WIi U). Framerate is more important than resolution. Always has been.
i could be wrong...but as far as i know the consoles are going to output a 60hz signal no matter what is rendered....120hz sets will just display duplicate frames...the judder will still be an issue....
Like I said met just going by another poster
You could be right as well I will definitely know for sure by the end of next week as my new tv will be 120hz
BigDaddyFatSack
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Not big enough apparently.
I use Siri daily and works so fucking well ESPECIALLY when I'm driving and it's illegal for me to text while driving. I also use it to write quick notes down, call, etc...
Voice commands are already great on Xbox One, but it could be shit ton better.
GET TO IT MS.
Pristine_Condition
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I don't really care about CoD, other than recognizing its place and impact on the gaming scene. Having said that, I have a 16 year old nephew that's a hardcore CoD player who is playing on both systems, and his opinions, (and the opinions of his friends,) seem to mirror yours exactly, OP. I sat down with a bunch of them this weekend. It was my first time to see both systems in person.
I wasn't surprised about the resolution making a difference, as I recall my experience playing PC shooters -- going to a higher resolution having a positive impact on my play, especially sniping, where as long as the draw distance is the same, higher resolution simply allows you to pick out far targets a bit quicker. Nah, I was surprised these kids like the DS4 so much. All of them preferred the 360 controller before, and none of them picked the XBone now. Unlike your stick complaint though, I've heard more complaints about the XBone bumpers from these CoD players.
There kinda is a downside to this, at least for me. In the past, I've gone over to my sister's place and my nephews and their friends were usually on the 360, usually playing CoD, leaving me plenty of time to play PS3, which was always on the better TV, in the home theater room. That has definitely changed. The PS4 is the one they are choosing for CoD, so I didn't get nearly the time I'd hoped for to play Resogun.
I wasn't surprised about the resolution making a difference, as I recall my experience playing PC shooters -- going to a higher resolution having a positive impact on my play, especially sniping, where as long as the draw distance is the same, higher resolution simply allows you to pick out far targets a bit quicker. Nah, I was surprised these kids like the DS4 so much. All of them preferred the 360 controller before, and none of them picked the XBone now. Unlike your stick complaint though, I've heard more complaints about the XBone bumpers from these CoD players.
There kinda is a downside to this, at least for me. In the past, I've gone over to my sister's place and my nephews and their friends were usually on the 360, usually playing CoD, leaving me plenty of time to play PS3, which was always on the better TV, in the home theater room. That has definitely changed. The PS4 is the one they are choosing for CoD, so I didn't get nearly the time I'd hoped for to play Resogun.
Amazon accepts open boxes.
If I really cared about resolution, I would've gotten a new videocard for my i5 2500k for some glorious 1440p gaming. Now, THAT'S awesome. Hmmm but most likely I will just put it towards future HDTV upgrade from my Samsung 40"
Wait, so 1440p is somehow awesome in bold, but the difference between 720p and 1080p is not?
So basically a ~ 60% pixel improvement is greater than over 100%, and coming from a lower baseline.
It's like you're not even trying.
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