-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
In Brazil, a total of 0 PS4s have so far been sold
- Thread starter Poetic.Injustice
- Start date
Broder Salsa
Banned
For PS4 people will get 4 jobs in Brazil.
The Last One
Member
People over here are importing the console, it's way cheaper than the official price.
Pretty much.
If you are rich enough to buy a $4000 reais electronic device, you are certainly rich enough to go on vacation to the US and bring one with you.
Also if you are that rich, it's because you or your family aren't dumb about how to save money.
They can't tell Brazil' s government what the tax rate should be...
I went there earlier this year and did some gaming shopping as well. It wasn't that expensive but it seemed like they'd sell mostly US stuff. Thought they also sold Japanese games and collectors editions that were sold out everywhere else. Ended up buying only a laser pointer instead, though.
Brazil has a protectionist economy that taxes the hell out of imports. They're effectively blockading themselves.
While the Wii U is US$ 100 cheaper than the PS4 in the US, Nintendo's console is US$ 900 cheaper in Brazil. Both are imported.
You tell me.
FairXchange
Member
I thought Brazilian gamers were importing PS4s to get around the inflated taxation. They're probably playing PS4 by these means and ignoring the screwed up domestic priced units.
Agreed.
The Last One
Member
In chile the PS4 is RS1500.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Good.
We are.
I agree, I think you quoted the wrong person.
Insanely high taxes for foreign goods. ~_~
http://arena.ig.com.br/2013-10-21/p...rgos-que-recaem-sobre-o-preco-do-console.html
Thanks to Platy for posting this.
PS4's BRL price is R$ 858.00.
That's $394.85 in USD. (cheaper than NA)
Sony Brazil's profit margin on that is R$ 257.00 (118.27 USD)
They remove that profit margin as a "discount" to keep costs down.
But the tax adds on R$ 2,524.00 ($1161.53 USD) On top of the base price and retailer markup.
Holy fucking shit. This is nuts.
I did! Haha.
Brb, moving to Chile.
WeaponKnight
Member
Oh so it's almost like Vita then.
The only games for sale in Brazil are those that launched with the system, and they cost around 100 dollars. I've never seen a new game anywhere. So much for trying to buy Killzone here.
The only games for sale in Brazil are those that launched with the system, and they cost around 100 dollars. I've never seen a new game anywhere. So much for trying to buy Killzone here.
Brazil has, I think, like a 100% import tax on electronics, and I think maybe some other fees as well?
I know a guy who regularly takes Apple products down there and sells for approximately twice the price he paid. He said he thinks he should be selling the PS4 he ordered for ~$1500-$2000 easily.
Yes. People believe it is only because of taxes and "backwards government" that the price is that high. Sony threw a PR ball with tables and numbers included and people caught it.
Now just sit back and watch the price collapse in a few months (without the need of a tax reform).
silver.tongue
Member
That calculation is fake.
Sony Brazil never really explained the price.
Wii U is imported and still cheaper than PS4.
Well there has to be some logical reason for the high price. They want to sell units.
Harlock
Member
People always buy in the gray market, because dont unofficial import dont pay the ridiculous taxes.
But the bad part of Sony putting a price so high is that that influences the gray market prices too. Being much more disproportionately higher for a $400 PS4 hardware than is for the $300 PS3.
Big part of oficial PS4 price is because of taxes. But Sony Brazil dont helped making the calculation in the worst possible way. For example, they put the markup in the beginning, and all the cascaded taxes multiply a higher initial price number.
But the bad part of Sony putting a price so high is that that influences the gray market prices too. Being much more disproportionately higher for a $400 PS4 hardware than is for the $300 PS3.
Big part of oficial PS4 price is because of taxes. But Sony Brazil dont helped making the calculation in the worst possible way. For example, they put the markup in the beginning, and all the cascaded taxes multiply a higher initial price number.
it does. But these people already flew to Miami and bought the PS4 there.
Nightengale
Member
A logical reason is that they know that with Brazil's tax, even the lowest price they could go would still not matter against the power of Grayskull. (imports in grey market)
So instead of trying to push consumers into buying an official product through other factors, they're focusing on maximizing their margins from the 1% who are willing to spend that amount, while they let grey imports flood the market.
I think it costs 2999 reais in the grey market. Like, wtf. Awful.
I really don't think so, since as quoted above, the Wii U official price is much, much lower, insane taxes and all.
Either Sony is lying through their teeth, or they have ridiculous levels of burocracy so huge and incompetent when distributing their products in Brazil they end up with such insane extra costs.
Come on Brazil, what's wrong with you?
Ahh yes...why are Sony even bothering?
la flama blanca
Banned
I think it's safe to say that Sony lost the console war.
Still not enough if they're all minimum wage.
D
Deleted member 80556
Unconfirmed Member
Should've given them to Colombia, all PS4s have been sold here.
Even rich people don't like to be so blatantly ripped off
Didn't someone in one of the earlier Brazil PS4 threads mention that their government requires a markup of some percentage, and that taxes are then based on the wholesale price plus that markup, even if the retailer doesn't take the markup? It's just another way to boost how much is taken in tax.
iceDragon7
Banned
Blanka wins.
Nightengale
Member
Because they need to have the systems in place for the Brazilian market. Local PSN, local support, etc.
PandaPedinte
Member
It's between R$2500 - R$3000 in the grey market.
The PS3 is locally manufactured or at least assembled, the PS4 isn't. It's the reason MS managed to price the X1 around $930 (R$ 2199), which is far from the $499 but still within the expected price after taxes and whatnot.
Not that it justifies the price Sony is asking, though. Some people preordered it from Amazon (that charges you all the 60%+ required taxes on the cart) and it ended up over three times cheaper.
Similar threads
- Locked