jamesinclair
Banned
This may surprise you, because its becoming so rare, but this country is actually built on laws, and not "whatever the company wants".
Fair use allows one to make profits off others work in certain situaions.
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Rumor: Youtube Getting tough on video game monetization in 2014
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This may surprise you, because its becoming so rare, but this country is actually built on laws, and not "whatever the company wants".
Fair use allows one to make profits off others work in certain situaions.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
You can bet if this did anything to the Grumps, I'd sure as hell raise a stink. And I'm sure their rabid fan base would have something to say too.
This whole thing would backfire badly. Guess we just have to wait and see.
What in the world type of logic is this? So you support banning things because individual people can make "easy" money? I really hope I'm straw manning you somehow, but I have trouble reading your post any other way.
This move seems silly. At a time when publishers are ever complaining of rising development and marketing costs they're deciding to cutting off a source of free advertising. The only reason I could see this being even slightly logical were if they had reason to believe that there were more people watching the let's play type videos in lieu of purchasing the game itself, as opposed to the group that end up purchasing games because of let's play style videos. To preempt those that think the latter doesn't exist - go google Galactic Civilizations 2 as a strong example. I am one, amongst many, who bought that game solely due to Let's Play style fan-media on it.
LPs aren't fair use.
I have the feeling that this will be abused, too, like other things they've already abused. It's a slow burn deal, saying "we can't cut off the head, but we can cut off the limbs so the body will die sooner or later". Game companies can just cut off the resources of the people they think are covering their game in a negative light because we don't know how far this reaches.
For the record, I did get an offer for that N4G thing that I think others have gotten before (not the same as N4G.com that we all know, but something else entirely, at least I think). I don't know them, so I'm hesitant to take it, but still, it was at least there...not sure if it still is or not: http://www.n4gtv.com/partnership/
If anyone can tell me anything about those guys, since that's sort of a sidebar to this discussion, let me know.
Youtube is not required to honor fair use.
You write this but there are enough people out there that will upload videos for free.
LP aren't fair use, its basically the same as posting a tv show online.
But then there is no set standard for fair use with video games, reviews are somewhat protected but besides that its a toss up.
But companies ARE! And last time I checked, YouTube was owned by Google, which is a publicly traded company (listed on NASDAQ). In other words, they must adhere to rules, too.
This is a part of why the DMCA has so many flaws in it that allow companies to get away with this BS.
Yogscast mostly does Minecraft LP mod created content, they'll be fine. Not sure what makes them as bad as Pewdiepie.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
This isn't exactly the smartest thing to do but it is leading to the inevitable lawsuit that will draw the lines of what can and cannot be posted. This is just accelerating it.
jamesinclair
Banned
Care to direct us to the court case stating as such?
Laws barely apply to the internet, the DMCA has more loop holes than US tax code. Its going to be a while before we have a law that fully addressees digital copyrights.
kutthoat5150
Member
Wow didn't somebody recently make a thread why we can play through games but not movies on YouTube because of copyright, guess he called this one
Yeah, you're right on the DMCA. It's incredibly flawed to the point where so many have abused it for years without even so much as a check to what's going on. That's because many of those who used it in the past didn't know how to use the digital age, and many still don't.
The change with this is that game companies should know better! If something needs changed, then there should be a serious effort to change it.
Uno Venova
Banned
Would not mind this being cut back, people making six figure salaries for playing video games is pretty ridiculous.
Lynd7
Member
Eh, I dunno, if they just stop people taking footage of themselves playing and earning money of it, I don't care that much. Using a bit of footage for examples or review shows should still be able to make money though.
I hope they can just stop them from making money, but the videos can still be uploaded to be viewed.
I hope they can just stop them from making money, but the videos can still be uploaded to be viewed.
Game companies are like any other company, they will abuse the law anyway they can. People should be happy they allowed people to make millions as long as they did.
The only way the DMCA changes is a long drawn out court case, which i doubt this is going to lead to.
Garcia
Member
LOL. I like you.
The professional review people and media outlets have nothing to worry about because they have agreements with the game companies.
The quality bar for uploaded videos (even though its not all great now) is going to drop like a rock if people can't make money anymore.
friskykillface
Banned
bummer if game grumps gets shut down cause of this, like watching their vids
Hyperactivity
Banned
Well, I'm glad Chugga and TRG, etc. have stated that they're doing it for the fun, not the money. Chugga specifically stated that if stopped making money on videos, they would still be made.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
edit: oops wrong thread lol
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
The two aren't mutually exclusive. It's entirely possible to do it for fun and make money doing it. Rest assured their output will notably drop if they have to support themselves via other means.
Hyperactivity
Banned
I know. Not arguing one way or another. Still happy that he won't be stopped
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Banning Let's Plays in the year where streaming your games will become more popular than ever.
Makes perfect sense.
Makes perfect sense.
Clearly there isn't a case on this specifically but considering it is essentially just a rebroadcast of clearly copyrighted material with some talking/splicing in of other things involved there is a ton of precedent on the rights of rebroadcasting and it's always in the favor of the content holders, always.
Like any new distribution methods though it takes time for this to actually get through the legal system but we all know how the courts would look at it.
Publishers want some of dat moneyz too!
The fact that he has just got a new contract on the same terms with Machinima only last week shows that atleast Machinima don't seem to concerned with all this.
I always find that these potential Youtube problems never end up as bad as first feared, in fact many publishers/developers have seemed to mellow over this in recent years as they seem to realise that its pretty much free press for their games.
My guess would be that a lot of this is conspiracy theories made up because of new Youtube changes about to come in.
Garcia
Member
Hold on a sec. . . Does this mean that watching Youtube walkthrough/gameplay videos is now being considered as piracy to some people?
What a wonderful world this is.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
They've been trained well
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
I don't mind. Let's Plays have zero production quality and are the equivalent to putting a whole movie on youtube.
I really won't lose sleep because some guys won't make money off having 78 episodes of a single game, only to do it all over again.
I don't think you understand how fair use works. You are welcome to use it to defend a piece that is critical of [insert bad company here] all you want. That's where the fair part comes in. The other part is that you get to use it on your own terms. That's the use. You don't get to claim it's some sort of right enshrined in law that you get to post it on Youtube. Youtube, for all intents and purposes, is 'private' property in this instance. They are not required to keep videos up containing footage that partners want down, 'fair use' or not.
They generally try to avoid running Youtube like a bunch of tyrannical dicks. The problem is that they give these companies access to tools where they can automatically take down your video, strike your channel, and generally make it impossible to post footage without much oversight. This tightening of the grip by forcing everyone onto networks if they want to have a snowball's chance in hell at monetization is just a way to gain more control.
Hyperactivity
Banned
See Chuggaaconroy. The amount of effort he puts into editing and keeping it clean is a tiny bit absurd. See his Okamiden setup and editing setup
Garcia
Member
It's fucking ridiculous dude. I can't believe some people out there.
Yeah i read that article and it sounds like only the odd video will be checked and even then its an automated system. I wouldn't be suprised if things stay pretty much like they are and this is just Youtube trying to look like they are clamping down to please the movie and music industry who continue to cry about everything constantly.
They get it.
Spoke to a friend who owns an MCN and he said this really isn't anything new and has been in plan since July.
I asked him was it going to effect gaming channels and he said if they're under an MCN and managed correctly it shouldn't be much a problem.
I've asked a few more questions but he's not about at the moment, will get some more specifics tomorrow I guess.
I asked him was it going to effect gaming channels and he said if they're under an MCN and managed correctly it shouldn't be much a problem.
I've asked a few more questions but he's not about at the moment, will get some more specifics tomorrow I guess.
Someone can correct me here but as far as i understand it, if you do commentary over games then it becomes fair use policy and is supposed to be ok by the law but doing playthroughs without commentary and only showing the game may have potential problems.
I like channels like TB's since he discusses controversys sometimes and brings things that are not right to a larger audience. We can heavily attribute Dark Souls PC to TB's video on the topic.
I don't think yogscast or Pewdiepie contribute anything beyond dumb humor and time burning content which has any importance. Yogscast obviously to a much lesser extent than Pewdiepie though. I think there should be some sort of law that prohibits people from becoming millionaires by making rape jokes to children like Pewdipie does
Windom Earle
Member
After watching the VGAs, please kill PewDiePie.