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[BigDug13]

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A team made up of people from three different developers (Crystal, Nixxes and United Front) worked on it for over a year (started in November 2012). So I think, just talking about production cost and effort, that a 60$ price point is justified. Now whether it was a smart decision to put so much effort and money into a NG rerelease one year after the original release, that's another question. But if what they're saying is true, the price certainly seems justified.

Right but everything you said outside of physics is simply graphics. No content, no new missions, no reworked story or extra modes. So they want me to pay another $60 for a 1080p 30fps game with new graphics bells and whistles and reworked character models when I already bought a 1080p or more 60fps or more version for $1.40.

I don't care if 500 people across 5 companies came together to redo the graphics. It's a year old, will run at half the framerate, and for me is not worthy of a $60 price tag.

It's taking advantage of non-PC gamers IMO.

 

[Jobbs]

Based on what I've seen so far, the new face is technically superior but in terms of its design is both less interesting and less attractive.

we'll see, though, need a bigger context to get the full picture.

 

[Harlequin]

Right but everything you said outside of physics is simply graphics. No content, no new missions, no reworked story or extra modes. So they want me to pay another $60 for a 1080p 30fps game with new graphics bells and whistles and reworked character models when I already bought a 1080p or more 60fps or more version for $1.40.

I don't care if 500 people across 5 companies came together to redo the graphics. It's a year old, will run at half the framerate, and for me is not worthy of a $60 price tag.

It's taking advantage of non-PC gamers IMO.

Whether you are interested in it or not is another matter entirely. But I do not agree with people saying this is a cheap money-grab or that the price point is unjustified. The price being unjustified and the product not being interesting to you are two completely different things and people are complaining over the price just because they do not find the product interesting (enough). That's like a 5-year old saying they would never pay money for a tax advisor.

 

[BruiserBear]

This thread is so weird.

Don't like the price? Don't buy it. Wait a month or two and it'll be cheaper. I think it's a good game, and it's definitely appealing to me as the owner of a next gen console and a drought looming. I don't have a gaming PC. Playing games at 1080p is still a revelation to me. I'm all over this at the end of the month.

Also, lots of people never played it, like my friend, and he's very excited to play it on his new PS4 he just got for Christmas.

The new face looks ok to me. Not bad at all. Just a little different.

 

[Glorified G]

I got 10 tomb raider games for $14 a few weeks ago. That means I got this game on PC for $1.40. There's no way there's enough graphical bells and whistles over a 1080p/60fps version to justify it costing $58.60 more.

There is a lot of mental gymnastics with this post. First off, Steam bundled a bunch of old games with the latest Tomb Raider for you to spend a little more money. If you want to believe a 16 year old psx Tomb Raider port that aged like hell costs the same as Tomb Raider 2013, go ahead. Second of all, a few weeks ago was 9 months after Tomb Raider 2013 released. You didn't think the game initially was worth $60 in the first place and waited almost a year to buy it, but for some reason you're pondering how much value the upgrade is worth spending on day one?

All these posts of the outrage of the $60 charge comes across like it's a personal offense. If you don't think it's worth the money then don't pay for it day one. As with any other game it won't stay full priced forever

 

[BigDug13]

There is a lot of mental gymnastics with this post. First off, Steam bundled a bunch of old games with the latest Tomb Raider for you to spend a little more money. If you want to believe a 16 year old psx Tomb Raider port that aged like hell costs the same as Tomb Raider 2013, go ahead. Second of all, a few weeks ago was 9 months after Tomb Raider 2013 released. You didn't think the game initially was worth $60 in the first place and waited almost a year to buy it, but for some reason you're pondering how much value the upgrade is worth spending on day one?

All these posts of the outrage of the $60 charge comes across like it's a personal offense. If you don't think it's worth the money then don't pay for it day one. As with any other game it won't stay full priced forever

It's personal offense because its success will tell all publishers that "definitive version" rereleases should start at $60. I just think it's a disgusting practice and further marches AAA gaming into the direction that tries to squeeze gamers for everything they have. I take offense to all of it whether or not I bought TR on day 1 for $60 or day 190 for $14 bundle.

 

[Oakey]

To be fair that bundle was available in the Steam Summer Sale too which was July so he could have picked it up four months after release had he wanted.

 

[Liquidsnake]

Missed this on last gen, I may give it a whirl.

 

[BruiserBear]

It's personal offense because its success will tell all publishers that "definitive version" rereleases should start at $60. I just think it's a disgusting practice and further marches AAA gaming into the direction that tries to squeeze gamers for everything they have. I take offense to all of it whether or not I bought TR on day 1 for $60 or day 190 for $14 bundle.

I think gamers should be raising hell about the micro transactions in Forza 5, NBA 2K14, and other $60 games that have had their design highjacked by greed.

But this? I don't get it. It's a good game being ported nicely to next gen consoles. Just ignore it, or buy it later when it's cheaper.

I don't see the two situations as warranting the same outrage.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

aiite, which one is supposed to be the new one, so I can be like, "yo the new one looks hottest." FWIW, I prefer the top one...but the lips on the bottom one.

 

[system11]

I will pay them $1 per frame per second.

 

[WickedLaharl]

Someone sure likes jay leno.

 

[brandonh83]

I will pay them $1 per frame per second.

Sounds fair enough to me!

If this were 60fps I'd buy it at that price.

 

[Tagyhag]

Please, every killzone game out today has still people playing them.

That's nice, doesn't mean that the numbers aren't dreadful. The MP isn't dead, but don't act like it has a healthy amount of people playing at all times.

What are the numbers?

But are there any TPS MP on the PS4 though?

No but I'm sure people won't just switch just for it being a TPS (It wasn't that good either). It'll be abandoned quickly.

As far as the numbers,

And remember, this is a game that was rumored to have sold more than a million copies.

 

[IzzyF3]

Don't GOTY editions come out every year for a lot of games at $60? I don't see how this is any different

I made the same argument on some other definitive edition thread. No one responded to it. Seems to me like most people don't want to take this point into account.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

I made the same argument on some other definitive edition thread. No one responded to it. Seems to me like most people don't want to take this point into account.

You assume everyone thinks $60 GOTY editions are justified too? Maybe nobody responds because they think it's equally as stupid.

I wonder how many people will be left defending the price when you're inevitably able to add these upgrades to your Steam version through cheap DLC.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Right but everything you said outside of physics is simply graphics. No content, no new missions, no reworked story or extra modes. So they want me to pay another $60 for a 1080p 30fps game with new graphics bells and whistles and reworked character models when I already bought a 1080p or more 60fps or more version for $1.40.

I don't care if 500 people across 5 companies came together to redo the graphics. It's a year old, will run at half the framerate, and for me is not worthy of a $60 price tag.

It's taking advantage of non-PC gamers IMO.

Did you read through the Q&A?? They have said and I quote "We continue to tweak the game's performance", meaning the frame rate isn't final yet!

 

[CoG]

Face swap is lame. I liked the old version because she's a normal female. Not some model with bolt-ons in daisy duke kakis like the 90s Tomb Raider games.

 

[darkpower]

Some of the asinine comments on here hurt my brain.

Here's the deal for me. I bought the original on PC but never really finished it. Why, you ask? It wasn't because the game wasn't good. It was freaking outstanding and is a really immerse experience, with this new Lara being very believable as a human being with real fears and real ways to overcome them, and fair but challenging gameplay. The problem was that I right now am not 100% used to playing on my PC as opposed to a TV/console, I bought it when I was still doing nightly WoW raiding and grinding (which was a massive time sink for me), I was thinking of doing a let's play video series on it but couldn't get things right where I wanted it, and I had way too many games that I was not finishing on top of that one. So I never really got to finish the game, nor did I get any of the DLC. I didn't even try the multiplayer (I'm not scared to at least try it), but I am curious to see it.

Reason I GOT it on PC? Because my PS3 had finally died on me by the time it came out (it was on life support as it was before it finally wouldn't turn on at all anymore). And when I got a new one, it was when games like TLOU and GTA5 were coming out, and I was anxious to try out TLOU and Final Fantasy 13-2 (which, judging from TotalBiscuit's opinion, I was going to like, and I did, but I want to finish THAT game, too).

However, this new version I'll probably pick up. I don't mind the tweaks at all. I think they are actually taking advantage of the new hardware. Remember how LONG the PS3 and 360 were out before we got to the next gen platforms, and how outdated that hardware was compared to whatever was available for the PC market. Remember how they had to get GTA5 to actually run properly on those systems? Maybe the "right" version is the version they did want but couldn't get through the technology they had at the time.

But here's the thing. It's the smaller, under the hood things, the voice commands, the tweaked graphics engine and the tweaks they made to Lara, the fact that the DLC is included with it, etc., that might justify the price point. And you know what: to someone like me who never finished the game, and never got any of the DLC and wouldn't mind to have a console version of the game, it's a damn good value to those that haven't experienced it yet. Looks like they tried to go out of their way to optimize this version for the next-gen with under the hood tweaks (remember that the improvements don't have to be new content per se, but better texture quality, AA, FPS (unless the YMMV answer is as bad of a sign as GAF is making it out to be), FOV, better load times, ways to make EVERYTHING run from the disc OR HDD instead of having to do both to get the game to run on outdated hardware). Optimization, added features, and the inclusion of the DLC packs (as well as a preorder bonus of a concept art book that has no extra cost to it that I discovered is on Amazon right now) is making it hard to go wrong with it, at least for me. I don't buy this whole thing of "oh, they changed her hair and face a slight bit! Deal's off!" Even if I didn't think they were as good as the original, that's not a deal breaker for me because graphics only get you so far in a game, even though the game itself is stunning to look at.

Thing is, it seems half of the people on this thread didn't play the game or weren't interested in it anyway. I wonder why they didn't have the interest to play this game as it was. It had a good, immerse story to it (the radio tower climbing scene and the camera angles that were used for it were just outstanding in how queasy it can make you...imagine how the tweaks will just make MY limbs weaken during that scene), awesome locals, responsive controls, and deep, challenging gameplay that never seemed unfair to me. No, the sales figures weren't up to SE's expectations. But for the life of me, I cannot understand why it DIDN'T sell better than it did. It was a great game! Maybe you can't justify buying it again or don't like the assumed double dipping. I don't know, but I think they put some time and effort into optimizing the experience for the new consoles and it doesn't sound like they phoned it in with a straight port. That, to me, shows that they care at least a little.

 

[Tagyhag]

But here's the thing. It's the smaller, under the hood things, the voice commands, the tweaked graphics engine and the tweaks they made to Lara, the fact that the DLC is included with it, etc., that might justify the price point. And you know what: to someone like me who never finished the game, and never got any of the DLC and wouldn't mind to have a console version of the game, it's a damn good value to those that haven't experienced it yet. Looks like they tried to go out of their way to optimize this version for the next-gen with under the hood tweaks (remember that the improvements don't have to be new content per se, but better texture quality, AA, FPS (unless the YMMV answer is as bad of a sign as GAF is making it out to be), FOV, better load times, ways to make EVERYTHING run from the disc OR HDD instead of having to do both to get the game to run on outdated hardware). Optimization, added features, and the inclusion of the DLC packs (as well as a preorder bonus of a concept art book that has no extra cost to it that I discovered is on Amazon right now) is making it hard to go wrong with it, at least for me. I don't buy this whole thing of "oh, they changed her hair and face a slight bit! Deal's off!" Even if I didn't think they were as good as the original, that's not a deal breaker for me because graphics only get you so far in a game, even though the game itself is stunning to look at.

But do you believe that small tweaks like that are actually worth $60? Especially when they keep dodging the FPS questions?

Last gen we had collections like God of War Collection, that was TWO remastered games at $40.

Now it's going to be just one (Which might not even be the best version) at $20 more. Either developers are getting even greedier or early adopters are getting desperate for games.

 

[BruiserBear]

But do you believe that small tweaks like that are actually worth $60? Especially when they keep dodging the FPS questions?

Last gen we had collections like God of War Collection, that was TWO remastered games at $40.

Now it's going to be just one (Which might not even be the best version) at $20 more. Either developers are getting even greedier or early adopters are getting desperate for games.

You're comparing old PS2 games being ported to a game that came out 9 months ago? That makes tons of sense.

Also, this is not new! I remember Burnout Revenge coming out at almost the exact same time in the 360 lifespan. Months after launch, and at full price.

 

[Tagyhag]

You're comparing old PS2 games being ported to a game that came out 9 months ago? That makes tons of sense.

Also, this is not new! I remember Burnout Revenge coming out at almost the exact same time in the 360 lifespan. Months after launch, and at full price.

Them being old doesn't matter, because it brought two instead of one, there's also other remastered collections, none of them have been $60 as far as I remember. If you were thinking of price reasons, well you could have picked up the new Tomb Raider for $5 on PC.

Heh, I remember. the 360 version of Burnout was vastly improved but yes it's basically the same scenario. Nevertheless, just because it happened before, doesn't make it ok now.

I would love to eat crow, maybe the game will end up being 60fps (Because come on the new consoles can't be this weak) and they'll decrease the price (Not happening), but as it stands, I really don't want devs thinking it's ok to release games at inflated prices when a superior and cheaper version is already out.

Of course, this could be a one time thing or something just done in the early part of the gen like Burnout did.

 

[BigDug13]

Did you read through the Q&A?? They have said and I quote "We continue to tweak the game's performance", meaning the frame rate isn't final yet!

So? How many games are currently 60fps on PS4? Even future games like inFamous and Driveclub are not going to be 60. Did you say all this because you are predicting that this game will be 60 FPS on PS4?

What else do you expect them to say? Framerate is finalized, no further tweaks necessary?

I'll gladly eat crow if this ends up at 60fps locked.

 

[Tohsaka]

I wasn't planning on buying this until the price dropped to $30 or so, but I recently got a $60 Gamestop gift card so I may end up just getting it when it comes out after all.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

It's 60?

Out.

I never bought the game.

In.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

I never bought the game.

In.

May as well pick the game up for much, much cheaper on PC, 360 or PS3 then.

 

[Lana Del Rey]

Do any other characters get the TressFX upgrade?

For Definitive Edition, only our star Lara received the full TressFX treatment.

I can't wait for the ultiate 2015 edition where all the characters will have TressFX hair, that's at least what I am holding out for.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

May as well pick the game up for much, much cheaper on PC, 360 or PS3 then.

So you are saying that the game wasn't improved at all?

Mehh, I've never played it. Seems like they improved it graphically. I'm treating it like a new game. So I'm fine with $60.

I totally get why people are mad at the quick release at the $60 price tag though if you've played it before.

 

[Yoday]

I'm really not sure why this is such a big issue. If you already played the game, and you don't feel like this upgrade is worth dropping another $60 on, then don't buy it, and wait for it to drop in price to what you feel is a reasonable amount to spend. It's like people think it is going to be $60 forever. I don't personally feel like it is worth spending another $60 on since I have already played through it on PC and PS3, so instead I am going to rent it through GameFly when it comes out, and then probably buy it on PSN later next year when it goes on sale for $10 during the holidays.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

What do you guys think the odds are of this going down in price pretty fast? have any of the next-gen games had those deals like ubisoft games that go down to 2/3 t he price a month out? I have the game on PC, i run it @1080p and most of the settings cranked up. Framerate is low but it doesn't bother me. Wondering if it's worth it to buy it again... If it was 30 bucks I'd insta-buy it. Sixty is @___@''

 

[JaseC]

What do you guys think the odds are of this going down in price pretty fast? have any of the next-gen games had those deals like ubisoft games that go down to 2/3 t he price a month out? I have the game on PC, i run it @1080p and most of the settings cranked up. Framerate is low but it doesn't bother me. Wondering if it's worth it to buy it again... If it was 30 bucks I'd insta-buy it. Sixty is @___@''

I can only assume that the PC version Squeenix is currently being coy about will be handled identically to the Director's Cut of DE:HR: it'll replace the current version of Tomb Raider on the store and existing owners will receive a 75% discount on a cheaper-than-$60 base price.

 

[emiranda061288]

60 because console players will pay top dollar for an old game, PC gamers on the other hand can get an old game like Metal Gear Rising for 18.00 USD.

 

[CadetMahoney]

pls. I paid 20 bucks for this POS and felt ripped off, let alone paying 60 bucks for an upscale with TRESSFX (TM). I hope this crap bombs hard.

I got it for $5 recently and feel like they should be paying me.

*laughs like Popeye.

 

[BruiserBear]

Taking the game's producer at his word, the framerate wasn't finalized as of a few weeks ago. Well, the game will be in stores in 3 weeks. Discs are almost certainly being pressed as I type this. Yet we hear nothing.

I even looked up the producer Scot Amos on Twitter but it doesn't appear he has an account. I'd love to see the PS4 version come in at 60fps, but I expect it to be 30.

 

[SJRB]

May as well pick the game up for much, much cheaper on PC, 360 or PS3 then.

The game is 12 euros on Greenmangaming right now.

 

[CoG]

Taking the game's producer at his word, the framerate wasn't finalized as of a few weeks ago. Well, the game will be in stores in 3 weeks. Discs are almost certainly being pressed as I type this. Yet we hear nothing.

I even looked up the producer Scot Amos on Twitter but it doesn't appear he has an account. I'd love to see the PS4 version come in at 60fps, but I expect it to be 30.

I'll say there's no way on earth it will be 60. My PC runs most games at 60 that the PS4 does at 30 and TressFX knocks it below 30 easy.

 

[antitrop]

I can only assume that the PC version Squeenix is currently being coy about will be handled identically to the Director's Cut of DE:HR: it'll replace the current version of Tomb Raider on the store and existing owners will receive a 75% discount on a cheaper-than-$60 base price.

I would like an option not to install it and ruin Lara's face.

 

[Fried Food]

recently started the pc version, games great

 

[Vaiim]

Bought my PC version for $5 during the Amazon.com digital sale. So devastated that I'm missing out on so much content for only an extra $55

Anyway no offence intended to anyone buying it at that price - I totally get it. But damn, Squeenix shouldn't be so greedy lol.

 

[JaseC]

I would like an option not to install it and ruin Lara's face.

It wouldn't -- nay, won't -- replace the original release entirely, just on the store itself, so even if you managed to accidentally buy the re-release you'd still have the original (the DE:HR Director's Cut is a separate app).

 

[Barack Lesnar]

I can only assume that the PC version Squeenix is currently being coy about will be handled identically to the Director's Cut of DE:HR: it'll replace the current version of Tomb Raider on the store and existing owners will receive a 75% discount on a cheaper-than-$60 base price.

I kinda just want something to play on my PS4 but you're probably right. The PC version will be out by the Summer or something.

 

[Picobrain]

Its really weird that we haven't seen any screenshot of the game and its coming out this month.
My guess is, that they have only "improved" her face because the whole game will be just PC port.

 

[inm8num2]

Dare I suggest that original Lara looks more ethnically diverse in her possible heritage?

You can hear the suits calling for the change: "Make her whiter. Teenage gamers love skinny, powerful white girls."

 

[Sub_Level]

Its really weird that we haven't seen any screenshot of the game and its coming out this month.
My guess is, that they have only "improved" her face because the whole game will be just PC port.

wat

There have been screenshots, there's even a trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdZMF0Ie_kg

Dare I suggest that original Lara looks more ethnically diverse in her possible heritage?

You can hear the suits calling for the change: "Make her whiter. Teenage gamers love skinny, powerful white girls."

wat

Both her parents are white, so....she's white.

 

[Kintaro]

Bought my PC version for $5 during the Amazon.com digital sale. So devastated that I'm missing out on so much content for only an extra $55

lol That's one way of putting it.

 

[Picobrain]

wat

There have been screenshots, there's even a trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdZMF0Ie_kg

.

Ah I haven't seen this one. But still if they improved the graphics why there are no comparison shots so we can see whats improved?

 

[Jedi2016]

Ah I haven't seen this one. But still if they improved the graphics why there are no comparison shots so we can see whats improved?

Because they didn't improve shit.

They ported the PS360 version to PC, and now they're porting that PC version back to PS4/One. Next-gen wizardry.

 

[antitrop]

I'm sure Digital Foundry will do a proper comparison, but I would be surprised if the DE was anything more than the PC version with a slightly fucked-up facial model for Lara.

 

[Picobrain]

Yeah that's what I am thinking, it will be PC port with changed face.

 

[inm8num2]

wat

Both her parents are white, so....she's white.

...

There are shades of white. They made her whiter. Her original eyes and other facial features suggest a more diverse background, like a 3rd ancestor being non-white.