Toothless Spoon
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13GB update for Dead Rising 3
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Alcoholikaust
Member
just turned on my Xbox to see the damage and I was/am at 55% now- this DLC better be substantial-
Starbuck2907
Member
Capcom.
I complained about this in the One launch OT after the first 6gb patch. Patches have been fairly crazy so far - usually not far off the size of a full game install. Not only that - but the full games are sized much, much larger than previous gen while the visuals simply don't match the size of the game size in the first place. Everything about this just seems so unoptimised for users, meaning longer install times, longer load times, and much bigger patches.
The patch also doesn't automatically download and update unless the game is in the drive IIRC - can't remember where I read this. So big patches after a bit of inactivity means long waits before getting back into games.
This is doubly frustrating as someone that primarily gamed on the 360, where things were so silky smooth regarding game updates and 'put it in and play' games. One of the major reasons my PS3 collects more dust is because it takes so long to pick up a game and play - huge patches that are way larger than 360 equivalents and big firmware updates that don't add much to me as a user.
MS need to sort this crap out. Not a happy customer.
The patch also doesn't automatically download and update unless the game is in the drive IIRC - can't remember where I read this. So big patches after a bit of inactivity means long waits before getting back into games.
This is doubly frustrating as someone that primarily gamed on the 360, where things were so silky smooth regarding game updates and 'put it in and play' games. One of the major reasons my PS3 collects more dust is because it takes so long to pick up a game and play - huge patches that are way larger than 360 equivalents and big firmware updates that don't add much to me as a user.
MS need to sort this crap out. Not a happy customer.
If that is true, then MS or capcom did not put enough thought into how they are going to patch the game (like not having all the files in one huge archive).
P.S Fuck Chrome.
Wolfgang Jr
Banned
Just let the cloud handle that.
Raoul Duke
Banned
It all makes sense now...
capcom for not optimizing and MS for allowing it lol
Raoul Duke
Banned
That's because X1 counts full install amount. You already had 70 % of the game installed (mandatory install plus first two patches) and now the 13 GB patch is good for another 30 %.
polyh3dron
Banned
At least with Battlefield 4 I have it on PS4 where I had the ability to install a 1.5TB drive.
Quadraphonic
Member
Honestly, whatever the fuck this is, there's ZERO need for it to be 13GB.
And, if the system is the same as the 360, you can always optionally delete these, so that means this is taking up room ON TOP OF the install.
And, if the system is the same as the 360, you can always optionally delete these, so that means this is taking up room ON TOP OF the install.
Raoul Duke
Banned
I haven't seen an install screen for updates since I first booted up my ps4 last month. I'm all digital currently also... installs of games have been less then a minute and I'm in the game, so I don't think this digital future is as bad as you make it sound. At least on this side of the fence.
It downloads and installs in the background. Maybe you don't have your X1 set up the right way, it only does so in standby.
RagingAvatar
Member
Not necessarily true. The game install is still substantially bigger than the patch - so it might just be that they went through and optimised all the textures and models?
Try and have a positive outlook on this - they wouldn't patch for no reason!
That would be awesome.
Fucking unacceptable.
So far I've had to download
* 3GB patch for KI
* 6GB and 13GB patch for DR 3
* 6GB patch for Forza
Biggest patch in my PS4 has been 700 ish. But everyone has super fast fibre broadband so it's all gravy , right ?
Well the 6GB patch changed nothing and they gave us no patch notes , so....
So far I've had to download
* 3GB patch for KI
* 6GB and 13GB patch for DR 3
* 6GB patch for Forza
Biggest patch in my PS4 has been 700 ish. But everyone has super fast fibre broadband so it's all gravy , right ?
Well the 6GB patch changed nothing and they gave us no patch notes , so....
Coop means all players need to have the same assets unless you want to destroy your online community.
That 380GB hard drive space you get with the console, sure won't last long then.
The 1.5GB of additional data doesn't mean that the overwriting of 11.5GB was not needed.
They could have refreshed all collision and visibility data, etc.
I rather have a destroyed online community than be forced to download a 13 gig patch.
It is unlikely that they went and changed all the models and textures, textures are the biggest space user in games (other than video) and texture res is unlikely to be a performance bottleneck, models on the other hand are likely to be much smaller than 10+GB.
If they did want to make the game run better, an easier target is effects, number of objects on screen at a time and mesh/texture LODs.
I did not say they patched for no reason, I said that they do not have an efficient patching system that does not need to replace large archives.
RagingAvatar
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On one hand the 360 patching system was 'good' because you were limited by the 360 Arcade (and later on USB sticks) because developers couldn't guarantee that users had a hard drive.
Unfortunately, that has knock-on effects for game design and the way DLC and updating works.
Like I said previously, I think the round of patches at launch are going to be a blip - we are early adopters people! - but I have confidence that Microsoft will get it sorted.
The size limit for patches was 4 MB on 360 (though there were some exceptions). It was super limiting for developers, and it was only in place because they wanted to account for users who didn't have HDDs.
RagingAvatar
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Bolded quote section is just wrong.
Also, apologies, I wasn't talking to you about the 'patching for no reason' thing.
We don't know if DR3 has large archives (unlikely for streaming data) and we (the public) don't know about the patching system and how it works - just saying, we need to be a little patient here. There's a lot of complaining about how the Xbox One's patching system sucks etc. - but we need to consider that the console has only been out a very short time right now, let's be patient and see how we get on.
Dunno why that's showing as my quote , I didn't say that.
However developers clearly need restrictions or they'll just take the utter piss.
Nonsense , this is the 3rd console for MS ( "we 're a software company guys , trust us " etc) patching systems are not new to them or something exotic.
I've patched a cumulative total of nearly 30GB for my XO and have yet to see a patch note !
Raoul Duke
Banned
Really? I don't own one, but others have said along with the person who responded that say you can't... how do you have to set up there system to access the game while they install updates in the background?
Edit: nm, you said standby needs to be enabled.
RagingAvatar
Member
Clarification:
It downloads and installs in standby if you own the game digitally.
It downloads in standby if you have the disc version and then quickly installs when you put in the disc.
There is no background patching on Xbox One yet for currently running games.
EDIT: You can patch another game while playing another - I played FIFA 14 the other night while Battlefield 4 was patching.
I'm sure the way Xbox handles update percentages is it's effected by the base game size too? I've seen updates on Battlefield for example where my percentage starts at 98%.
13gb? It's probably Dead Rising 4
Raoul Duke
Banned
Bandwith-restricted gamers:
Can't use modem/cable, impossible where I live.
cripterion
Member
That really sucks, their patching system is so ass backwards. I guess I'll delete the game from my hard drive.
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Raoul Duke
Banned
That's a bummer, man... sorry you gotta deal with that crap. I saw some posts earlier that were saying they don't care cause of no caps or high download speeds... those kinds of posts scream "I got mine" and I think that's just a real shit outlook on this situation.
Edit: my apologies, I shouldn't have stated it that way because I don't think anyone has come out right and said they "don't care", I just inferred that from those types of comments.
Alx
Member
I think we're going to miss the times when MS was annoying developers with patch size and number... as soon as they remove such limitations, studios get crazy with humongous updates. :/
I have a question btw : I haven't bought DR3 yet ; if I buy it on the digital marketplace now, will I have to download the original version and then the different patches, or does the game come "pre-patched" with the latest update ?
I have a question btw : I haven't bought DR3 yet ; if I buy it on the digital marketplace now, will I have to download the original version and then the different patches, or does the game come "pre-patched" with the latest update ?
No, it is not wrong!
Unless you are TMU limited or really bandwidth starved (which both seem very unlikely with the way the game looks) you are not going to need lower res textures.
Games with streaming game engines can have all their data in one or a few large blobs, e.g Farcry Blood Dragon is mostly 3 large files.