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Dota 2 |OT3| #BetterThenEllenPudge

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Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
I reaaaaaaaaaaaaallly want ember in dota 2 CM already, like milk said awhile back I think there are some interesting strats you can try around him.
 

1.09

Low Tier
no more monkeys playing earth spirit 8D

its funny cuz i mute every earth spirit picker in ranked, and today every game had a muted player who didn't pick earth spirit.
 
Earth Spirit is not going in CM in 2014. Mark my words.

I think heroes in Dota 2 will have a much more rapid entry into CM than in Dota. It's easier to see if something is going to be blatantly over powered or not in Dota 2's relatively well rounded matchmaking versus Dota's free for all matchmaking and fairly low skill skeleton of a competitive scene.

If 6.80 makes Earth balanced, why shouldn't he be added to CM just because he's a newish hero.

Yeah, I think it will happen. I do wonder how long until Ember and Phoenix get the green light to be turned on for Dota 2 CM. Is Techies literally the only CM hero we are missing now?

Ember, Phoenix, Terrorblade and Legion will probably all be turned all at the same time imo. I believe when TB and Phoenix are relatively bug free, probably a month or two. And yes, Techies are the only CM hero left, although I don't think Zet and WW are too far from CM.
 

Anony

Member
it's impossible to get ingots/jades just from playing games, u literally get like 25 ingots, and sometimes 10 jades
the cheapest thing to exchange is 1500 jades, wtf
 
it's impossible to get ingots/jades just from playing games, u literally get like 25 ingots, and sometimes 10 jades
the cheapest thing to exchange is 1500 jades, wtf

Yea I was looking at this too. I played like 6 matches yesterday and have 70 jade thingies to show for it. I don't get it. Are we doing it wrong?
 

RS4-

Member
it's impossible to get ingots/jades just from playing games, u literally get like 25 ingots, and sometimes 10 jades
the cheapest thing to exchange is 1500 jades, wtf

With that 500% favor thing, I average around 220-250 a game, obviously depends on how long the matches are. Let's say, 200ish or so for a 30 min game.

Redeemed 1500 after 5-6 games.

Haven't bumped into anyone else that has the favor though :(
 

Manus

Member
With that 500% favor thing, I average around 220-250 a game, obviously depends on how long the matches are. Let's say, 200ish or so for a 30 min game.

Redeemed 1500 after 5-6 games.

Haven't bumped into anyone else that has the favor though :(

Yeah me and 4 friends all got a booster and we've been getting around 300 a game. Which seems pretty decent.
 

Demoli

Member
Earth Spirit is not going in CM in 2014. Mark my words.

I'd wager he'll be in, alongside Terrorblade, Ember, Phoenix and Pit lord by TI4, or the very next patch like slark, centaur, et and abadon.

To me, his biggest enrf was the rock cooldown. Absolutely huge cooldown, he has a lot more downtime compared to the 24/7 ganking he could do before.

Also, is it me, or are items not completing on the Spirit Bear, alongside his Return having a cast time now?
 

Anony

Member
With that 500% favor thing, I average around 220-250 a game, obviously depends on how long the matches are. Let's say, 200ish or so for a 30 min game.

Redeemed 1500 after 5-6 games.

Haven't bumped into anyone else that has the favor though :(

wow that's bs, you basically need to pay for the jade :|
 

Manus

Member
so that's like...$30 between the 5 of you.

and there's really no other way to get to the items unless you're going to play 200 matches during this event.

We all bought the $1 ingot booster which unlocks access to getting jade stones. That's all we got and been on average of 250 to 300 jade stones a game with it.
 
If we keep the same pace of adding heroes as the last 3 months, we'll have a complete pool by May or so. That's assuming Dota doesn't get any new heroes, which I think won't be the case (I think we'll get 2 more by then), but whatever.

Oracle and Underlord seem well along texture wise, and Underlord is basically done skill wise. Techies have had concept art forever and have skills sort of coded. Winter Wyvern has voice lines recorded. Zet is entirely MIA for some reason.

Other than Zet, those heroes don't seem far off at all. Not much of a stretch to see them all at TI4, maybe not in CM, but definitely in game.
 

SamVimes

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Ember was never a strong hero though, he was a pubstomper, like Riki or sniper, but with admitadly more legitimacy. He was never, ever OP, but since Dota 1 in general has a lower skill level than Dota2 and pubstompers galored. Since earth is a support, he was ignored.

I think Ember is much stronger than most people think. I would have no trouble believing that with some changes he used to be completely op.
 

shira

Member
so that's like...$30 between the 5 of you.

and there's really no other way to get to the items unless you're going to play 200 matches during this event.

no. one or two 99 cent thingies should net you a bloom harvest chest and a vermillion key.
Assuming you aren't in garbage tier where nobody else buys any boosters.

That's like 15-20 matches not 200
 

JustinBB7

Member
If we keep the same pace of adding heroes as the last 3 months, we'll have a complete pool by May or so. That's assuming Dota doesn't get any new heroes, which I think won't be the case (I think we'll get 2 more by then), but whatever.

Oracle and Underlord seem well along texture wise, and Underlord is basically done skill wise. Techies have had concept art forever and have skills sort of coded. Winter Wyvern has voice lines recorded. Zet is entirely MIA for some reason.

Other than Zet, those heroes don't seem far off at all. Not much of a stretch to see them all at TI4, maybe not in CM, but definitely in game.

If not TI4, at least soonish afterwards. So within the next 6 months at least. Valve said these kind of events will happen more often too, so who knows what they are up too.

Will be weird having Techies in the game relatively soon.
 
If not TI4, at least soonish afterwards. So within the next 6 months at least. Valve said these kind of events will happen more often too, so who knows what they are up too.

Will be weird having Techies in the game relatively soon.

I wonder what Valve's end plan is for having all the heroes added. Obviously we'll get new ones once or twice a year, but in the mean time they'll need to figure out substantial content to put out, so it'll be interesting to see what they decide to do.
 

Drkirby

Corporate Apologist
I wonder what Valve's end plan is for having all the heroes added. Obviously we'll get new ones once or twice a year, but in the mean time they'll need to figure out substantial content to put out, so it'll be interesting to see what they decide to do.

Well, once all the heroes are in, they will have to create value with new game modes. So they will need to get mod tools out soon so they can try and get the community to help with in this effort, since I am sure 1000 people working on different mods can come up with more compelling mini-games then Valve's 30 man Dota team. Plus, I am sure there will be a good amount of custom hero mods, which could be used to help get a few more heroes in the game every year.
 
Still advocating region locking.

3600mmr

I auto lock lone druid, select safe lane.

No one picks until last second.

Anti Mage, Luna, PA, Undying are the other 4 picks.

Anti mage pings repeatedly telling me to get back off safelane then goes mid and loses to Tiny.

Undying comes safelane, gets on creep line and takes as much farm as possible.

Luna goes offlane, feeds 5 times and abandons.

Not a single person on my team from the United States not any that spoke any sort of english.

Preferences: US EAST US WEST, English

GG Volvo
 

Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
Still advocating region locking.

3600mmr

I auto lock lone druid, select safe lane.

No one picks until last second.

Anti Mage, Luna, PA, Undying are the other 4 picks.

Anti mage pings repeatedly telling me to get back off safelane then goes mid and loses to Tiny.

Undying comes safelane, gets on creep line and takes as much farm as possible.

Luna goes offlane, feeds 5 times and abandons.

Not a single person on my team from the United States not any that spoke any sort of english.

Preferences: US EAST US WEST, English

GG Volvo

didn't realize americans are immune to bad picks.

Safe lane Lone Druid?

solo safe lane LD is pretty common these days, probably more so than offlane LD
 
Still advocating region locking.

3600mmr

I auto lock lone druid, select safe lane.

No one picks until last second.

Anti Mage, Luna, PA, Undying are the other 4 picks.

Anti mage pings repeatedly telling me to get back off safelane then goes mid and loses to Tiny.

Undying comes safelane, gets on creep line and takes as much farm as possible.

Luna goes offlane, feeds 5 times and abandons.

Not a single person on my team from the United States not any that spoke any sort of english.

Preferences: US EAST US WEST, English

GG Volvo

Git gud. And you could had swapped to the offlane, too.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Some people actually have and play with friends in other regions.

Shocking, I know.
 

Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
I can't believe no one else agrees with what a problem not region locking is.

It's kinda funny to see how asinine the opinions can be in this thread.

How does your team picking bad heroes have anything to do with region locking???? I get the communication stance, and I don't agree with it, region locking is too severe a solution to too mild a problem.
 
Still advocating region locking.

3600mmr

I auto lock lone druid, select safe lane.

No one picks until last second.

Anti Mage, Luna, PA, Undying are the other 4 picks.

Anti mage pings repeatedly telling me to get back off safelane then goes mid and loses to Tiny.

Undying comes safelane, gets on creep line and takes as much farm as possible.

Luna goes offlane, feeds 5 times and abandons.

Not a single person on my team from the United States not any that spoke any sort of english.

Preferences: US EAST US WEST, English

GG Volvo
Even with region locking (which I am in favor of some sort of implementation of), this will still happen. But at least you could understand each other when it's time to flame. Communication is key and I don't understand why they would follow with those picks if you picked first well in advance and put Ld on the minimap for where you were going to lane. Even if they don't speak English, they can still SEE. Presumably.

Also, why are people hitting on Thacker for going safe lane LD rather than the other 3 hard carry picks that fucked up the lanes? Do better, people. No amount of lane swapping was going to save them from themselves.
 
Even with region locking (which I am in favor of some sort of implementation of), this will still happen. But at least you could understand each other when it's time to flame. Communication is key and I don't understand why they would follow with those picks if you picked first well in advance and put Ld on the minimap for where you were going to lane. Even if they don't speak English, they can still SEE. Presumably.

Also, why are people hitting on Thacker for going safe lane LD rather than the other 3 hard carry picks that fucked up the lanes? Do better, people. No amount of lane swapping was going to save them from themselves.



I'm just having game, after game ruined by people from Peru, Venezuela and Brazil. Do I have games ruined by Americans? Yes but it's not nearly on the consistency that I am having games destroyed by South Americans. I KNOW I'm not the only one having this problem. A simple google search reveals many others feel the same way. We aren't racist, we aren't bigots... and we aren't going off a small sample size. It's a problem, plain and simple.

I do not want to play with them, and I should have an option in a game that is all about teamwork and communication to prevent that from happening.

That's fine you want to play with people from other regions. The region locking system could simply go off the party leaders region and still allow friend invites from other regions but for Solo Q ranked mmr it's simply a must have.
 
Could you give me an example of this?

As I stated just now, simply go off the party leaders region for match making. This will prevent me from being solo Q'ed with a 4 stack of all South Americans that I can't communicate with and will constantly flame me for "being bad" when I have no idea what their intentions for laning or hero picking are.

You aren't playing with friends in a Solo Q situation.
 

G.ZZZ

Member
How does your team picking bad heroes have anything to do with region locking???? I get the communication stance, and I don't agree with it, region locking is too severe a solution to too mild a problem.

And then, after region lock and after someone do a bad pick, who to blame? Elo Hell remains i suppose, but then if you don't give people enough excuse for their games they may go mad cause of a game.
 
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