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anyone sullied on dad of war aspect

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pager99

Member
my fears have been confirmed from new leaked footage,its half a babysitting simulator imo,
also the level of cognitive disonance its asking of me is too much , i can handle the norse mythology fine but a 6 year old kid fighting demons alongside his dad means ill be skipping my first god of war ever,
anyone feel the same .
 
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brap

brap

Banned
Yeah, it looks dumb. I wanna fuck shit up not play TLoU with combos. Games with "emotional" narratives are getting old anyway.
 
Bryank75

Bryank75

Banned
pager99 said:
my fears have been confirmed from new leaked footage,its half a babysitting simulator imo,
also the level of cognitive disonance its asking of me is too much , i can handle the norse mythology fine but a 6 year old kid fighting demons alongside his dad means ill be skipping my first god of war ever,
anyone feel the same .
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'Cognitive dissonance' in a fantasy game about Gods and mythical creatures... I didn't see one clip where you are actually protecting him either. He is just doing his thing, firing his arrows etc.
 
synchronicity

synchronicity

Member
brap said:
Yeah, it looks dumb. I wanna fuck shit up not play TLoU with combos. Games with "emotional" narratives are getting old anyway.
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That's what was so great about "old" Kratos. He was just a death machine, and a perfect rage catharsis avatar. I guess you could argue his feelings were hurt and he couldn't take it so he lost it. :p But yeah, God of War doesn't need to go to tender places imho.
 
thelastword

thelastword

Banned
I don't see the connect, Kratos son is not Ashley in RE4, so where is the babysitting, if anything the kid will actually help in combat....The crazy thing about GOW is that everybody wanted less of a raging Kratos, angry against everything, now that the story and dynamics have changed a bit, we want the old GOW....The combat looks pretty amazing to me and I think that's the most important aspect in GOW.....
 
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Zannegan

Zannegan

Member
Eh, I wouldn't worry about it too much. You just know the kid is going to bite it early on in the game, which is what will make Kratos go ham, killing any and everything that gets in his way as he fights his way to Valhalla to get him back. At least that's what I assume based on what we've seen. Hel, they probably only gave him a bow so that he could qualify as a warrior and meet the minimum requirements for Valhalla.

There's no real reason to introduce a constant AI companion to an action game, unless they just really liked the father/child dynamic of TLoU, and that sounds a wee bit simplistic to me. I think I'll give the developers the benefit of the doubt and assume they're just trying to give Kratos a more plausible reason to be a raging murder machine than "Somebody made me kill my family... like five games ago... and I only care because they were mine." Looks to me like they're trying to add depth to the character rather than changing his essence.

I guess we'll see though.
 
Manus

Manus

Member
I'm totally cool with the story shift to Norse. It's just everything else I can't take. SSM is saying this game is going to be roughly 30 to 40 hours long. That's a huge con to me. The combat system has got to have so much depth to last that long for a action game. It's one big reason I love the short aspect of the earlier GoW games because, you could blaze through them even on higher difficulties. Unless it's that long for the padding with the kid and all the walking and talking we've already seen so much of. Nothing more fun than slaying crazy monsters to stop and walk and talk for the next 10 minutes ala Uncharted 4.

I'm not even seen blood in the game so far, just orange lava. Like the main staple of the GoW franchise is sex and gore, I'm fine with losing the sex but where's my gore? Again just like Breath of the Wild I probably would love this game had it not be called God of War and been called something else.

I'm still going to get the game since I'm a die hard God of War fan, I just hope their's way more about the game that we just haven't been shown yet.
 
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Scopa

Scopa

The Tribe Has Spoken
Always looked like The Last of God of War to me since the first trailer. Not really interested in that personally.
 
Northeastmonk

Northeastmonk

Gold Member
I don't think you need to skip it, but that's me trying to help you see the good and not the bad.

You have meaty combat. Norse mythos. Great graphics. 3 solid points.

Maybe we are taking this out of context.Maybe that's just the first few hours? Maybe there is a mute button for the kid?

I know it sucks with the whole "deal with it mentality" or feeling like these studios are saying F-you if you don't like it.

Maybe by the time the game comes out you'll head on out and pick up a copy. Maybe you'll feel better about it. I could find ways to feel like my fandom is meaningless. I could sit here saying I bought each God of War game at launch. I sold my original Xbox to get a slim PS2 and God of War because my fat PS2 broke. I got God of War 2 at launch at EB. God of War 3 at a midnight launch, Sagas, and the remaster. I bought Ascension online. Plus I got the PSP games when I worked at GameStop.

Plus I've followed the designers in the past. Yeah, I hear you. I don't feel like hearing some kid yell during every battle either. I just think I'd miss a wild ride if I did not play it.

There's so many game designers ready to tell their fans to F-off. They kiss other people's asses and they give them free copies of the game as some sorta courtesy. lol seriously...I'd rather just enjoy the game and be a good fan than worry about all that crap.

I have never felt like I'd get a long with a real game designer just because. Telling someone that they shouldn't add some annoying kid's voice to a beloved series probably wouldn't go well either. I think I'll just accept it and I'll understand this Father of War concept.
 
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yet_another_alt

yet_another_alt

Member
Sony was probably betting on the old audience having grown up and would relate to this. They were wrong, I'm still as immature as ever.
 
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Dante83

Banned
I don't know what are you guys seeing. The latest gameplay footage I saw looked good, and I like the gameplay and that axe throw mechanic. I like the look of the snowy environments, what little that was shown. The kid wasn't whining, just some small talking here and there, nothing annoying, but that shouldn't make people hate on it. I don't see any babysitting. The early trailer shown when the game was first announced showed kratos showing tough love. "Don't be sorry, get better". Kratos is doing his thing, and the kid is being good at helping. If the devs changed the stuff and make the kid annoying, then you may have a reason to complain, but we haven't seen the full game yet, so I will reserve my judgement. So far, it looks good to me. If they had stuck with the same formula after GOW ascension, I am 100% sure there will be people complaining that it's the same old shit over again. I believe they have max out what they can do with that engine and formula, and this is something new for the series.
 
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ExpandKong

ExpandKong

Banned
Zannegan said:
There's no real reason to introduce a constant AI companion to an action game, unless they just really liked the father/child dynamic of TLoU, and that sounds a wee bit simplistic to me.
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Don’t give game developers too much credit. I’ve got a feeling the critical and commercial success of TLoU had more than a little to do with this.

I’ve not watched much of this game since the initial reveal because nothing I saw there really interested me. From a strictly speaking gameplay perspective, the GoW games have always been only slightly above average when compared to the DMCs and Bayonettas of the world; I don’t see that changing now.

This series has always only really excelled at two things: spectacle, and how hilariously over the top angry and violent Kratos was. I’m sure there will be plenty of spectacle, but it’d take something unimaginable to stand out in this day and age I think. And they’ve dialed back the one dimension that Kratos had to his personality in order to do this Dad-of-War schtick...I just don’t see it paying off.

I dunno. I’ll probably redbox it at least.
 
MayauMiao

MayauMiao

Member
If God of War was like its predecessors I wouldn't buy it as I've grown tired of the angry Kratos kill gods plot and same game mechanics of the last few sequels. I like this new story direction and gameplay.
 
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120v

Member
seems like Elizabeth from Bioshock Infinite. she's "there" but you're not doing perpetual escort
 
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Halo0629

Halo0629

Member
Well, E3 2016 should have already told you what to expect or where the game direction is headed and I'm surprised why people are just complaining about it right now.
 
CaptainSmirnov

CaptainSmirnov

Member
Looks great. We've already had, what, 5-6? "traditional" GOW games. This is a good approach as we will see more of Kratos' personality
 
Shpeshal Nick

Shpeshal Nick

aka Collingwood
CaptainSmirnov said:
Looks great. We've already had, what, 5-6? "traditional" GOW games. This is a good approach as we will see more of Kratos' personality
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I never understood why God of War is literally the only Sony franchise that many seem to want to be different from its predecessors.

To the OP, as someone who adored Ryse, I’ve given myself some comfort in seeing the similarities between the two games. Surprised I never noticed them earlier. I do pine for a traditional God of War game because if the last 12 months is anything to go by I am now apparently one of the rare people who enjoyed traditional God of War?

While I’ve been very hesitant about the Last of Usification of the franchise, the fact that it now bears similarities to a game I love, I’m feeling better about it.
 
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paolo11

paolo11

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Isn’t the son part of the combat mechanics (shoot square to have him shoot arrows)?

And I heard the son cannot die by gameplay means.
 
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Dunki

Member
I love how the God of War now needs the help of a 10 year old to climb a small ledge. Why is this even in the game? This is not Last of US which by the way is a great game but this is the God of War who did climb a titan to fight Poseidon on top of it.

I really hope Days gone will not have this mechanic as well. Somehow I think Sony AAA is only capable of doing last of us like games these days...
 
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Dunki

Member
llien said:
I've just finished Ascension and, cough, hunger for battle... given who's doing the game, I don't doubt I'll enjoy it, but it is quite likely not to be the GOW game...


Care to share?
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I think it is gone for now. Embargo was until Monday but some guy released it early. So you will prob see it tomorrow.
 
FF:Enhanced_Reality

FF:Enhanced_Reality

Member
For the first time since I've read topics on NeoGAF and been posting, I am really surprised about some of the things I am reading. Unless it's sarcasm that I'm struggling to detect.

If I post about how I want Resident Evil to go back to it's original horror design, tank controls and challenging game play, then I'm told I am just being 'nostalgic.'

When I say I'm unhappy with how Tekken is becoming a juggle fest and how the modern day Tekken is reminiscent of anime fan service, I get told that I'm 'stuck in the past.'

When I say I prefer the old Tomb Raider over new Tomb Raider because I feel the original Lara design was a far more interesting character, limited by technology at the time, I get told 'I need to move on.'

And even though I'm an advocate of games developing and evolving, I still say I will play and buy as many Yakuza games that are made, as long as they are more of the same, I'm told it's okay because that's a 'niche franchise.'

But I am looking forward to this new God of War because quite honestly, I felt it was time to change. God of War 1 though to Ascension, including PSP games are all great games, I really enjoy them all. If I had to pick a favourite, I would probably say God of War 3. But watching the new design and how it plays out, I am honestly okay with this. A small snippet of the game is not going to put me off the overall experience. As much as I enjoyed the mindless and senseless murder of un-dead and mythical foes, I really like the idea of a linear narrative with more emphasis on story and the relationship he fosters with his son. Perhaps it's part of my personal background that I have recently had a baby boy and didn't have the best of relationships with my own dad but I was captivated and inspired by the E3 footage shown originally and really felt the moment when they hunted and killed the deer. I also very much enjoyed The Last of Us so I'm okay with the changes to game play. I think people are judging it too much. But perhaps for once in my life, I can be the one to say, you should be less narrow minded and be more optimistic about the game. It looks simply amazing and I hope it plays that way too.
 
Ridcully

Ridcully

Member
The game looks like Santa Monica desperately chasing trends - sort of understandable, given the dearth of titles they've put out (as opposed to "collaborated on"). It's a ridiculous re-framing of Kratos, who may as well be a different character for all the relation this incarnation has to the one before. Better to have just let the franchise end.

I'm not skipping it because it looks like a soulless me-too title from a struggling studio, though. I'm skipping it because the gameplay looks awful.
 
Toe-Knee

Toe-Knee

Member
I couldn't stand the old games as they just seemed to be mash square to stagger enemies then do a qte.

Mindless button bashing with no plot depth.

This however has me interested as it seems to have depth to the plot and the combat seems like it could be challenging if there's a higher difficulty.

I do however get the people who want the old style. I'm the same with resident evil anything after code Veronica is awful to me and with final fantasy everything after ix sucked and is a shadow of its former self.

Hopefully the old and new fans will both find something to enjoy in this new one.
 
odhiex

odhiex

Member
I embrace these changes, so far I am liking it. Hope it will be GOD.

To those who are dissapointed, you could always..

go back and play six (6) other GOW games ;)
 
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Darak

Member
Toe-Knee said:
I couldn't stand the old games as they just seemed to be mash square to stagger enemies then do a qte.

Mindless button bashing with no plot depth.
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Well, that worked for the first trash mobs, but you needed to learn the combat system eventually, specially in harder difficulties. It was a pretty good combat system, actually, perhaps not on the same league compared to the top Japanese beat-em'ups, but combined with the visceral, over the top presentation, it was a fun experience.

I'm not sure if I want 'plot depth' in my beat-em'ups, though. Those games are meant to be violent power fantasies, and that's not the best vehicle for telling family drama stories. GOW didn't take itself seriously and I preferred it that way.

odhiex said:
To those who are dissapointed, you could always..

go back and play six (6) other GOW games;)
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That's a terrible answer for anyone who enjoys a franchise and would like to play a proper sequel in modern systems with current production values; improving the formula, sure, but keeping its identity intact.

TBH, it sounds like the kind of thing Konami would say to people who don't like Metal Gear Survivor.
 
PuppetMaster

PuppetMaster

Member
Most anticipated game of 2018 for me.

I love GoW. Played everyone including the mobile ones. Buy honestly after Ascension I was burnt out on the old formula. Its time to adapt or die.
 
Fbh

Fbh

Member
I think GOW really needed a change so I don't mind the new game going into a new direction.
From the recent Gameplay video I think there's a lot to like. I think the combat looks really fun, the Norse mythology world looks awesome (both the graphics and art direction) and I never really liked Kratos so I'm all for turning him into an actual character instead of just pure rage in a humanoid form.

With that said. From the few trailers and gameplay videos I really dislike the Kid. I was already annoyed by his constant talking and screaming in the 10 minutes gameplay, can't even imagine how much I'll hate him after 10 hours. It doesn't help that his dialog and writing seem extremely generic and forgettable. He seems more like the generic and forgettable kid companion of a generic and forgettable action movie like, say, the recent Dark Tower movie than a more memorable and likable character like Ellie or Arya or Clementine.

So, overall, I like some of the aspects of this new direction but I'd be more hyped if the kid wasn't there. Would have been more exciting as another solo adventure or maybe have him meet his son as he is older
 
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Ar¢tos

Ar¢tos

Member
I don't dislike the new gameplay, and we have only seen little bits of it, it might evolve later to something more familiar (long combos, etc).
The kid is talking is annoying, very annoying. His presence doesn't bother me. I get flashbacks to the followers in Dragon's Dogma before i realized there was an option to drastically reduce how much they talk. This seems to be the same thing... get ready to hear the GoW version of "kill it with fire" over and over...
The kid talking is the only thing preventing me from buying it at launch, not the gameplay changes.
 
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J-Rod

Member
I’ll give it a shot, but I’m not too excited about it. I’m against the popular sentiment that Kratos is the sort of character that needs developing or has a lot of potential to be interesting. I like him as a lunatic death machine that is unbothered by morality, or anything else for that matter, when seeking his goals. There are enough heroes and flawed heroes hung up by dilemmas and personal feelings to go around. Why not let kratos just be kratos?
 
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Darak

Member
Kratos always had his backstory, but I always thought it was designed that way in order to justify the player acting like player does in beat-em'ups. Something like the Trevor character in GTA 5.
 
Northeastmonk

Northeastmonk

Gold Member
J-Rod said:
I’ll give it a shot, but I’m not too excited about it. I’m against the popular sentiment that Kratos is the sort of character that needs developing or has a lot of potential to be interesting. I like him as a lunatic death machine that is unbothered by morality, or anything else for that matter, when seeking his goals. There are enough heroes and flawed heroes hung up by dilemmas and personal feelings to go around. Why not let kratos just be kratos?
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Both him and his son have to kill in order to survive. They can't just take the killer out of Kratos, otherwise they wouldn't survive. He's also responsible for his son. He was already torn by what happen in the beginning too.

Did anyone watch the stadium event?

I noticed the blood effects weren't there. There were magical sparkles of light. Even if you look at the LE statue. The axe gives off this blue tint instead of blood. I think that's cool. It's just noticeable because we've all ripped the eye out of the Cyclops and we've gutted the beast in God of War 3. :/
 
WaterAstro

WaterAstro

Member
NeoGAF on God of War 3:
  • Just another Kratos getting angry storyline
  • A boring, mindless, hack and slash
  • I'm already tired of this formula
NeoGAF on God of War (2018):
  • I'm not interested in a new, emotional story. Wtf is this Dad of War shit?
  • Where's the good ol' hack and slash?
  • I wish they brought back the old formula.
 
TheWatcher

TheWatcher

Banned
I was initially not interested in God of War, and eventually played through all of them and found them each to get progressively better. God of War 3 was one of the greatest video games ever made in my opinion. Wiping out the entire pantheon of Olympian gods and demi-gods was awesome. I don't want to feel empathy or sympathy for Kratos, I just want to control his sprite as he takes down the Colossus of Rhodes lol.
 
TheWatcher

TheWatcher

Banned
WaterAstro said:
NeoGAF on God of War 3:
  • Just another Kratos getting angry storyline
  • A boring, mindless, hack and slash
  • I'm already tired of this formula
NeoGAF on God of War (2018):
  • I'm not interested in a new, emotional story. Wtf is this Dad of War shit?
  • Where's the good ol' hack and slash?
  • I wish they brought back the old formula.
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I think that is an unfair generalisation. I loved the old formula, but it needed to evolve. I like this full on third person camera, and even though I did enjoy the Blades of Chaos, the new fighting engine looks refined and way less arcadey. I hope we get a weapon very close in design to Hercules' guantlets, those were bad ass.
 
Zok310

Zok310

Banned
pager99 said:
my fears have been confirmed from new leaked footage,its half a babysitting simulator imo,
also the level of cognitive disonance its asking of me is too much , i can handle the norse mythology fine but a 6 year old kid fighting demons alongside his dad means ill be skipping my first god of war ever,
anyone feel the same .
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Dad of war is more like it. Call me old fashion but I can’t adjust to the rage free Kratos. This game looks like Uncharted Norse.....Skipping this one.

10 years ago this trailer had me hyped for days.
 
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Android Kuma

Android Kuma

Neo Member
Kratos needed something to develop his characters. Mindless rage is fun and all, but rage developed carefully over time through a realistic character arc will be more satisfying.
 
WaterAstro

WaterAstro

Member
TheWatcher said:
I think that is an unfair generalisation. I loved the old formula, but it needed to evolve. I like this full on third person camera, and even though I did enjoy the Blades of Chaos, the new fighting engine looks refined and way less arcadey. I hope we get a weapon very close in design to Hercules' guantlets, those were bad ass.
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It's generalizing the haters, poking fun at their logic. Obviously doesn't apply to those who like the change.
 
Velius

Velius

Banned
MFW the kid dies half way through the game and Kratos goes batshit crazy, altering the gameplay style for the rest of the work.

If they did this, it would be game of the generation material.
 
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