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007 SPECTRE |OT| It's me, Austin. It was me all along, Austin.

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Rich!

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I am aware of this, but I dont have the feeling that I am seeing a british agent movie when I watch the Craig Bonds - I feel like I am watching a typical Hollywood movie, maybe without the patriotism overdose it would have when it where 100% american, but I dont feel the difference that I feel when I watch shows like Sherlock or Dr. Who.

The Craig bonds are a million times more British than Brosnan

Especially Skyfall and Spectre.

Speaking as a Brit of course
 
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I am aware of this, but I dont have the feeling that I am seeing a british agent movie when I watch the Craig Bonds - I feel like I am watching a typical Hollywood movie, maybe without the patriotism overdose it would have when it where 100% american, but I dont feel the difference that I feel when I watch shows like Sherlock or Dr. Who.

Without the patriotism!?

Bond is part of the system. He's an imperialist and a misogynist, and he laughs at killing people, and he sits there slugging martinis.

---Matt Damon
 

ItIsOkBro

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What makes a movie British, the people involved? Because this felt like a modern Hollywood action movie to me. It had that empty Hollywood action and that Hollywood humour.
 
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Saw this the other night and have given myself a couple of days to let it settle.

What a pile of shit it was. The plot could of been written on the back of a stamp, and I swear I have seen another film in the last few years which had a very similar plot, however I'm struggling to think what it was.

The opening scene was pretty cool with the long tracking shot however they managed to make the helicopter stunt seem boring, which continued throughout the film. The car chase and the
plane on the ski slope
scene both suffered from pedestrian direction and editing.

I felt really uncomfortable during the
Monica Bellucci scene
Bond has been known for some poor treatment of women over the years but I found this really offensive

I think it is time for change right across the board. Daniel Craig looked bored throughout , which seemed to be backed up with some of the interviews given during the press tour.
 

Jigorath

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I saw it. Not great. Film lacked... excitement. Energy. Almost every setpiece action scene fell flat. Lea Seydoux sucked. Monical Belluci was wasted.

What a shame.
 

Blader

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I felt really uncomfortable during the
Monica Bellucci scene
Bond has been known for some poor treatment of women over the years but I found this really offensive
Pretty sure nothing will ever top Bond raping a lesbian as the happy ending of Goldfinger in this regard.
 

massivekettle

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James Bond was written by a retired british agent, losely based on his own life. The titular character is a british agent working for the MI6 and the Queen, almost exclusively played by british actors(Ireland being the exception). The movies are produced by a british production company and almost exclusively directed by british directors.



Yes. The movies and the TV series its based on.

Oddly enough, the copyright and trademark owners (and owners of the production company) are actually American.
 
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I liked most of the action in this actually and I didn't feel exhausted watching it which is peculiar for 2.5 hour films now that I'm such an old man. Actual plot was weak but I don't mind that much.

Pleasantly surprised as I was expecting the worst.
 

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Just got back from this and concur it was a steaming pile of shit. Fuck John Logan off and somebody get Barbara Broccoli and co a clue again as to why Casino Royale was so revered.

Fuck the shitty Bond formula.
 

Pakkidis

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Saw it yesterday and the movie was average. I got the feeling the script writer chose a bunch of action set pieces and tried to write a movie around it. I wasn't overly impressed.
 

thecosmicfly

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Just got back from the cinema. You know what hurts the most about SPECTRE? It's so... nothing. All the stories of how much of a shitshow the script was, how people describe this as a parody, or even a full on return to the camp fun and sillyness of the classic Bonds, and it doesn't even deliver on any of those fronts. What makes it all the more worse though is the potential they end up squandering. The cast, the locations, the proper return of SPECTRE, everything could've come together so beautifully. It's like, it's like they had all the pieces fo a great puzzle but they fucked up putting it together, jamming in stuff where it's not needed or spoiling parts of the image with the wrong parts. Everything on screen is a big fucking tease to a much, much greater film.

Well, if this film did one thing it's made me want to rewatch Casino Royale again.
 

RionaaM

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I saw this at the cinema last night. It was my first Bond movie ever. Mostly enjoyed it, it was fun, but WAY over the top. I knew Bond movies had lots of weird gadgets and stuff, but I was still expecting it to be a fairly realistic movie. Some scenes were so unbelievable that I couldn't really appreciate them, like
Bond shooting at an helicopter from a moving boat at the end of the movie, and landing every single shot
.

Another annoying thing is that nobody ever kills anyone, unless the plot requires it, which doesn't make sense. I had seen the Austin Powers movies before, and even though it was clear they were parodies, in my mind they were exaggerating a lot regarding the villain's refusal to kill the hero (something that was called out in the second one). But no, the actual 007 movie went so far beyond that I couldn't help but cringe a couple of times. I mean, what's the point of telling your enemy the entirety of your plan, and then put him through an awful torture session from which he will inevitably escape, when you could have shot him in the head instead and gotten away with everything? And it didn't happen just once; I counted three instances where Bond could have been executed without being able to defend himself. Same deal with the bad guys: why didn't 007 make sure they were dead by putting a bullet through their skulls while they laid unconscious, I'll never know.

Oh, the
brain torture
scene. I hate needles. I could barely watch it, definitely the worst part of all.

All in all, it was fun, with nice special effects, but a lot more fantastic than I would have liked. Glad I watched it, but I don't feel like seeing any of the others now, if they are all as unreal as Spectre.
 
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Just got back from seeing this. What a boring piece of shit. I didn't even think there was a single cool action scene. Just fucking boring. And, of course, the plot was shit. No one in the movie seems to even care about the relationship between Bond and Blofeld. It's just said, and we all move on.

I liked imagining Blofeld printing out those pictures of M and Le Chiffre and taping them up on the walls. And Q spending time making the animated Spectre logo so he can put Blofeld at the top.

Best thing about it was seeing it in Imax and getting to see the Force Awakens trailer on the big screen with the insane audio setup.
 

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Oh, the
brain torture
scene. I hate needles. I could barely watch it, definitely the worst part of all.

It certainly didn't help that the needles sounded like a goddamn DENTIST'S DRILL going in, played at high volume.

I agree that the whole movie felt about as substantial as the popcorn as I was eating. It just seemed...lacking in tension...for lack of a better term. And the reveal that
SPECTRE was behind ALL the events of the previous Daniel Craig films
was patently ludicrous.

What really bothered me, however, was how totally wasted Monica Bellucci was. You don't cast someone that sexy only to have her onscreen for about three or four minutes at most.
 

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I agree that the whole movie felt about as substantial as the popcorn as I was eating. It just seemed...lacking in tension...for lack of a better term. And the reveal that
SPECTRE was behind ALL the events of the previous Daniel Craig films
was patently ludicrous.

I still don't get why this is a stretch for some people, given what we already knew about Quantum being behind the first two movies.

I saw this at the cinema last night. It was my first Bond movie ever. Mostly enjoyed it, it was fun, but WAY over the top. I knew Bond movies had lots of weird gadgets and stuff, but I was still expecting it to be a fairly realistic movie. Some scenes were so unbelievable that I couldn't really appreciate them, like
Bond shooting at an helicopter from a moving boat at the end of the movie, and landing every single shot
.

If you thought that was too unbelievable and over-the-top... definitely your first Bond movie, then. :lol
 

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I enjoyed the plot up until they
returned to England, the entire final "plan" was a bit half assed in execution and delivery. Surely just having a machine gun in the chopper would be enough to stop Bond. Also, why did the girl leave? I felt it was like a setup for something clever, but it never delivered on anything after that

A pity as I really enjoyed the movie up until then. The opening shot was amazing, both me and my wife loved that one
 

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Was a strange film for me. Never really got going. Didn't compare well to the latest Mission Impossible.

Belluci completely wasted; seemed completely pointless.

Best part of the entire movie was the opening scene..
 

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I don't know if its just my one viewing of the film but I found this to be a very enjoyable movie and a great Bond film. Definitely loved it and it ranks right up there with Casino Royale for best Craig Bond.
 

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The chemistry and relationship development between Bond and Swann doesn't live up to the theme.

In the beginning I didn't like the theme for not 'fitting' but then I reflected on it and it was the movie that came up short.
 

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I don't know if its just my one viewing of the film but I found this to be a very enjoyable movie and a great Bond film. Definitely loved it and it ranks right up there with Casino Royale for best Craig Bond.

Yeah, I enjoyed it too. It's different from Casino Royale but equally entertaining. I couldn't say the same about Skyfall and QoS.
 

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Just watched it... and it gave me way too many deja vu vibes... especially after watching Mission Impossible earlier in the year.

Also, the Christoph Waltz was wasted in this role... he could've done so much more.

(what a pointless introduction in the movie too, that giant set piece with minimal talking that barely moved the plot forward).

I enjoyed it, but there were clearly some misteps along the way.
 

JHoNNy1OoO

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Just watched it... and it gave me way too many deja vu vibes... especially after watching Mission Impossible earlier in the year.

Also, the Christoph Waltz was wasted in this role... he could've done so much more.

(what a pointless introduction in the movie too, that giant set piece with minimal talking that barely moved the plot forward).

I enjoyed it, but there were clearly some misteps along the way.

Same feelings I had. I expected Waltz to play a bigger role or at the very least have scenes where he actually needed to use his range as an actor. After the reveal of who he was in Bond's past everything else just fell flat for me and was so predictable. The best part of the entire movie for me was the train fight.

Below average bond movie in my book. Just nothing really memorable.
 

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I've been putzing through the Bond 50 collection for the last year and this past friday I finally got caught up to Die Another Day. I'd seen the 3 previous Craig bonds at least once each so I figured it was high time I go watch Spectre.

It should be noted that Skyfall left me rather cold, I'm not sure if I'd appreciate it more now having watched all of the classics but I was hyped like crazy to see it back in 2012 , I found the action flat , the story kind of dull and the lead up to the "defend the house" bit that makes up the final act just a bit ... ehh.

So because of that I looked forward to Spectre with some trepidation , I knew going by it's namesake that they'd be bringing back the classic connery villains at long last and I knew from reviews and leaks and such that it was tied into everything that came before it (well all 3 Craig entries anyway) but nevertheless I was expecting some level of under delivering.

I'm happy to say for my own sake that Spectre was the followup to Casino Royale I've been waiting 9 years for , where quantum felt rushed and haphazard thanks to the writers strike limiting the plot in a few ways and skyfall felt overcooked , Spectre was just what I wanted. It feels tonally the same as Casino Royale while also dropping in nods to the classics here and there and it genuinely felt like they played with some of the long standing bond tropes but made them work in a way that benefits the Craig Bond universe. Skyfall always felt like it got too hokey at some points and went too serious at others , Spectre is a much more balanced and logical film.

In terms of where I'd rank it - Casino Royale , Spectre, Quantum , Skyfall is my personal opinion for the Craig series.

On the whole for the entire franchise -Casino Royale, Thunderball,Dr.NO,Goldeneye,Spectre, Spy Who loved me,License to Kill, from russia with love, OHMSS,Spectre, goldfinger,Quantum of Solace, Skyfall,Living Daylights, you only live twice,Tommorow never dies, man with the golden gun,For your eyes only,die another day, moon raker,View to a kill,World is not enough, Octopussy, live and let die, diamonds are forever
 

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Critics really seem to be teeing off on SPECTRE, which is interesting considering the relative love-fest that SKYFALL received.

I agree that the film is far too invested in checking all the James Bond "boxes," but on the other hand it's somewhat unfair to keep comparing every Bond film post-Casino Royale to Casino Royale.

Casino Royale was a pretty thorough deconstruction of the Bond mythos, but you can only really play deconstruction card once as it doesn't add anything, only examining whatever's there. That's why they can't just "do another Casino Royale."
 
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Arguably the best part of the movie is how Christopher Waltz delivers his lines. I don't know how he sounds in the english dub but in the german one, dubbed by Waltz himself if i'm not mistaken, he sounds like a terminator pretending to be a Kindergarten teacher. It's brilliant.

The movie itself is entertaining but nothing special. Standard "it's all connected!" nonsense storyline with entertaining action.

I'm still confused whether or not Bond had
Brain damage
at the end.
 

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Can't wait for the next film... and everyone will talk about how much better Spectre was in regards to the new one.

I mean I've seen people post about how Quantum was better than Spectre... lol

Anyway I liked Spectre. It might have been a bit too ambitious in its scope but it hit all the right notes. I enjoyed how they brought it all together (a bit paper thin I might add) so we can all move forward on the Craig Bond storyline.

Also I loved the Sam Smith song. It's no Skyfall but it's still pretty amazing.

And for reference.... Skyfall > SPECTRE = Casino Royale >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quantum of Solace.
 

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The stuff in Mexico? I thought that was the best part of the film.

Totally agree. The beginning of this film was great. Then it just turned into nothing. No risk, no danger. Just complete predictable nonsense. I hated Skyfall but at least it had a sense of oh shit. This movie is some how worse than that. Or maybe this formula doesn't work for me anymore.
 

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Totally agree. The beginning of this film was great. Then it just turned into nothing. No risk, no danger. Just complete predictable nonsense. I hated Skyfall but at least it had a sense of oh shit. This movie is some how worse than that. Or maybe this formula doesn't work for me anymore.

What are you talking about?

Bond almost got thrown off a moving train.

Bond almost crashed a plane.

Bond almost had his eyes drilled out.

Bond almost got blown up in a building.

There was risk in the movie and conflict...
 
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