gutter_trash
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I think the opposite.World War here we come.
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1 million people and 40+ world leaders to march against terror in Paris
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Naked Snake
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Nope. Not even Holder. No Obama, No Biden, No Kerry, No Holder. He stood in for a photo op but didn't take part in the march/rally.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/11/world/charlie-hebdo-paris-march/
Purportedly he was attending an anti-terrorism summit. With who? They're all out there marching.
Krystof Koreni
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Thats weird.
DiipuSurotu
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I've just realized it may be because the person who hid other hostages in the cold room in the Vincennes supermarket is a Malian.
Nikodemos
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US officials are ridiculously risk-averse, sometimes to extreme lengths.
lol @ Sarkozy shoving himself between world leaders to be on the picture.
Amazing march. Overcrowded subway but people being unusually nice. We couldn't even reach the STARTING point at République - subway station closed early, we had to go one station further and did like 200 meters in 3 hours.
Pissed about some of the leaders here - especially Netanyahu, after what he said last few days (that the French jews weren't safe anymore and should move to Israel) - but it doesn't matter that much in the end.
Amazing march. Overcrowded subway but people being unusually nice. We couldn't even reach the STARTING point at République - subway station closed early, we had to go one station further and did like 200 meters in 3 hours.
Pissed about some of the leaders here - especially Netanyahu, after what he said last few days (that the French jews weren't safe anymore and should move to Israel) - but it doesn't matter that much in the end.
Sorry for the late reply...
Edit: damn, I write a long answer, and bam!, I'm late ^_^
That's (most probably) because of the Northen Mali conflict... About two years ago, islamists in Mali had taken over the northern half of the country (following different internal conflicts and fights for power).
Mali asked for help, and France sent its army to take back the northern half and install peace there, with the help of chadian army. They took back controll of the northern part, and truce was signed with rebels. UN should have taken care of the situation back then. Unfortunately, it's difficult to maintain truce there, and the situation is still problematic. For the first time, the german-french common force has been dispatched there, too.
Mali still need help... France don't want to stay too long there, though, and would like to find a more international solution.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Mali_conflict for details...
It's a coincidence, but it was today (january 11th) the 2nd "anniversary" of the french arrival in Mali.
I think that the malian president and the french one were close today because of all this...
Oh ok, both make sense (second one a bit more), thanks.
He met up with all (/most?) EU interior ministers I think.
They had a meeting before the march to discuss the steps to take to avoid further terror attacks. One thing they decided upon was to hold a common list of suspected djihadists and their movements.
SymbiantXenos
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At least 3.7 million at the march according to AP
I live in a city of 42.000 inhabitants. Today, there were 20.000 people in its streets according to Le Monde. That's nuts.
Hypocrisy to the fullest
The first tweet is so dumb and inaccurate. I don't even know where to begin ...
This stupid french-bashing really needs to stop. Only in PUBLIC schools have ostentatious religious signs been banned. God damn people can't think a second out of their little box.
DiipuSurotu
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Palette Swap
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Unsurprising given how much FN people hate "media conspiracies" (which is really dog whistling for "Jewish conspiracies" mind you) but given the circumstances, that's poor form.
Naked Snake
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And people will still vote for these fuckers. They chose to march by themselves, as if they were the only true patriots. The only one who deserved to march and call themselves French.
They blame the rest of the population of being responsible of the massacre because they never voted for Le Pen who would have thrown all the muslims to the sea so we would have avoided what happened two days ago. They hate journalists, " leftists " , teachers, intellectuals etc... even more than they hate muslims or foreigners in general.
Fucking disgusting pigs.
And I don't even disagree with all of their ideas. I think some of their ideas are pretty okay but i'd never vote for such a bunch of morons, bigots and haters.
Well you're living proof that there's still hope ...
Oh well ... stay strong brother.
Yup, calling for dead journalists in Paris today would have ruined the party alright
Still stupid. Kids should learn that different religions (or religion in general) are a part of modern society.
DiipuSurotu
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Religions are a part of private life, not society.
gutter_trash
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People should learn that many European democracies (like France) have spent over 200 years separating the Chutch from State and don't want to go back to the middle ages
That thinking is a sociological disaster in the making. Private life will always influence society in one way or another.
Seperation from Church and State has nothing to do with it. Since we had this discussion 100+ years ago in the Netherlands, secular schools can also teach about different religions while staying secular in form.
Because of politics we still kept religious schools here (although they have to exam as per secular norms set by the government).
Naked Snake
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I love watching The Young Turks, and I enjoyed these multi-viewpoint conversations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEmBdHT4sDU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yCna4EFves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEmBdHT4sDU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yCna4EFves
No, they should learn that our forefathers fought with their lives to end the cancer that was christianity in Europe, with their mass prosecution of intellectuals, starting from Hypatia of Alessandria, to Galileo, Giordano Bruno, and countless others, and directly responsible for the darkest history ever known to man in Europe, their Censoring of books and arts, their torturing and killings of hundreds of thousands, the racial cleansings in the name of their God, for their submission of all the women in the last two millennia, and with the still contemporary ingerence to the freedom of Man.
Modern society has no place anymore for organized religion, and for good reasons. At least fifteen centuries of it.
This x2.
Our laws are not prohibiting +18 girls from wearing the veil while studying at the university or undegraduate school or whatever. And private companies can allow the veil if they want to (they usually do). What France has been trying to do achieve is give a chance to underage girls to decide by themselves if they want to wear the veil or not.
We don't want them to be victims of their parents/family's ideology thinking they HAVE to wear the veil when they're still underage kids ffs !
And we want everyone to be equal in school. We don't want kids to come to school with their own cultural/religious heritage and decide what that they shouldn't be learning the theory of Evolution cause it goes against their belief.
We don't want parents deciding that their 5 year old kid should only be eating Hallal meals ! How is that about freedom ? How does a 5 year old kid decides that he doesn't want to eat non-Hallal or non-Kosher meals ? If parents want their kids to eat Hallal well they can take him home during lunchbreaks. But if they leave him at the canteen, they shouldn't expect public schools to bend the rules just so that a kid can get Hallal or Kosher food.
The most interesting thing is that the first waves of muslim immigrants didn't even give a fuck about the veil or Hallal food Does that make them less muslims than their descendants ? The countries where they come from are moderate muslim countries where the veil was very scarce (I know it has changed a lot since).
The ones who first arrived in France decades ago didn't care about Hallal or wearing the veil, same thing with their children. This is very new and when you study the origins of these phenomenons you discover that the ones pushing the veil and the Hallal agendas are muslim leaders who have very close ties to the muslim brotherhood or to the salafist movement. This isn't about individual freedom or religious freedom, this is way bigger than that.
If she was American, she would be a prime candidate on the Republican ticket. Well, if she lost some of her liberal ideals.
Do you know what her ideas are ?
Fight the globalization, nationalize as many big french companies as one can, leave NATO, leave EU, drop the Euro, sign deals with Russia (all her far-right supporters are big big fans of Russia and Poutine), support Russia against Ukraine, in fact ... Support the Russian government and Poutine in EVERYTHING they do. Fight against economic liberalism. How is that Republican-compliant ? Lol
Yes, it's called a joke. Also you forgot her support of secularism.
This (is a bit nitpicky I know) isn't really a problem.
ComputerMKII
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http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.636557?v=D9B18F0B6D785F827EDA7137FD551BC6
Hollande asked Netanyahu not to attend Paris memorial march
Absence sought as part of attempt to keep Israeli-Palestinian conflict out of European show of unity; After Netanyahu insisted on coming, French made it clear Abbas would be invited as well.
Lmao
Hollande asked Netanyahu not to attend Paris memorial march
Absence sought as part of attempt to keep Israeli-Palestinian conflict out of European show of unity; After Netanyahu insisted on coming, French made it clear Abbas would be invited as well.
Lmao
BruceLeeRoy
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ComputerMKII
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Back page and front page of Libération:
The populist far-right in Europe is very different from American conservatism, I don't think it would work.
They already learn that, it's called 'History'. Objective education will not make people join Al-Qaida at mass because they learned a thing called Islam exists.
Your stupid fear mongering sounds like that of conservatives in strict religious countries.
Lyon, France
I love Lyon.
"Come at me, bro."
That's what it is, more or less.
Religion has no place in schools, end of story. It's one of the basic tenets of laicity.
ComputerMKII
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Dieudonné: "I feel like Charlie Coulibaly"
That's low, even by his standards
That's low, even by his standards
GameGuru59
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I'm kind of surprised nobody wasn't shot.
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