BigBooper
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Yes. Many places do not allow you to speak freely, to defend yourself, to have whatever religion or philosophy you want.You can't be fucking serious
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daveonezero
Banned
The rest of the world doesn’t have a school system like the US. They don’t have freedom of thought. They don’t have a justice system where you are innocent until proven guilty.
And some schools did make changes. They have better security and don’t leave the kids defenseless.
More would die getting those things enforced. Probably in the millions. Don’t you care about the police and their families?
Then many more million would die or starve from the societal breakdown.
It’s never going to happen so come up with another solution.
When police are minutes away an armed individual is in the action in seconds.
The solution is to stop putting large groups of defenseless people in a vulnerable position.
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But only one allows you to kill innocent children so easily.
BigBooper
Member
No, that's illegal.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
In addition to the significant loss of life, the survivors will deal with the psychological trauma with this for years, if not for the rest of their lives.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
It's not an all or nothing kind of thing. Incremental changes and common sense approaches can at least help. It doesn't need to completely halt all gun violence everywhere instantly in order to be worth doing.
It just has to help.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
The US being the major one.
Tell that to today’s shooter.
BigBooper
Member
Can't, he died.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Never mind people. Network TV cant even show tits or cussing during prime time.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
You'd much rather have what the US has? Which is to seemingly medicate people through horribly addicitive opoid pain killers, valium and xanax which carry horrible side effects and withdrawals? This of course happens in the UK too, but not to the same extent I don't think.
For example, I've never seen a slum anywhere near as bad as this in the UK.
I wrote something similar (not as clearly as you) in another thread recently and was laughed at by some members for suggesting that the detoriation of these stuctures is putting the West in serious trouble that we will all feel soon enough. More and more people are going to fall through the cracks.
BigBooper
Member
I'm interested in what you mean besides the obvious exceptions, fire in a crowded theater etc.
daveonezero
Banned
It’s proven to not help at all. All it does is inflate agencies like the ATF and FBI to focus on semantics and arbitrary rules instead of actually looking into criminals.
Much like the drug war the “war on guns” just make a bunch of innocent people criminals.
Legislative crime or restrictions on firearms (or anything for that matter) doesn’t stop anything. It is usually abused by law enforcement to violate the least dangerous people. Eg going after cannabis growers or a church in Texas that leads to children being burnt.
Look at NY or California And illinois. They still have mass shooting incidents. And the most restrictions.
You lose Rights if you do not assert them.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
If this report is accurate then this points to a complete and utter failure by the local law enforcement to prevent this.
BigBooper
Member
Erick Estrada? Wonder if that's legit?
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
You haven't even noticed things like cancel culture, books being banned, anti-islam etc etc? The US has some of the least 'free' speech in the western world.
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Buggy Loop
Member
Zeroing
Banned
Terrible news. Damn, not saying my little country is perfect but how can someone purchase body armor and guns without the police being alerted. Some months ago we had a case in Portugal where a student at Uni was in the dark web trying to get a gun and police target him, when he wrote to someone he was planning something on the next day, he got in custody and a mental exam was made on him, he had severe phycological issues and stopped taking the medication.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
One of the things that makes preventing crime related things(poverty, guns, drugs, violence, etc) is they all directly tie into one another. Poverty leads to crime, crime leads to poverty, guns lead to violence, violence leads to guns, drugs lead to all of those, all of those lead to drugs. Where you’re as steeped into these things as America is, you’ve got an extraordinarily difficult and long road ahead of you to really cut down on all of those things. And it’s not like like a chair where if you smash one leg, the whole thing collapses, you need to tackle all of those issues at once to really put a major dent in all of America’s problems regarding violence, whether it’s guns or otherwise.
I wouldn’t say that America is beyond hope, but it certainly isn’t something that will be solved in our lifetimes. My guess is it’ll need to be small inroads in each of areas bit by but over time, to where eventually you look at where we’re standing and have made significant progress from however many years prior.
I wouldn’t say that America is beyond hope, but it certainly isn’t something that will be solved in our lifetimes. My guess is it’ll need to be small inroads in each of areas bit by but over time, to where eventually you look at where we’re standing and have made significant progress from however many years prior.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I wish our country was that effective. You hear about shootings and bombings being prevented here occasionally, but far too often we don't know any of that stuff until after the fact.
Wash rinse repeat next week or the week after that when the next shooting happens.
BigBooper
Member
Oh ok, I thought you were talking about the government restricting speech. Everything else except the book banning I definitely agree is bad. The book banning that I think you are talking about is provided by government agencies by government employees and there are many cases where government agents are restricted in what they say at work. For instance, an arresting officer must correctly tell a suspect their miranda rights when placed under arrest.
Hawking Radiation
Member
I disagree but you're obviously entitled to your opinion.
Javthusiast
Banned
Fuck your 2nd Amendment, that 1700s law that should have been abolished decades ago, fuck the GOP, fuck the NRA and your murican gun culture.
Toons
Member
Don't forget can't publish a school textbook that mentions racism in a realistic fashion
But you can walk in any building with a gun and blow a bunch of kids/black people away. Sometimes the authorities will talk you down and then buy you fast food afterwards
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Toons
Member
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The cop in the florida high school shooting also never went in. He was weeks from retirement and didnt want to risk his life to save the kids he was hired to protect.
It's possible these cops were shot, but man, not a good look.
Hari Seldon
Member
1000%. Humans are simply not evolved to live a hermit lifestyle and maintain sanity. That documentary that came out about seaworld and how the orca's fins were bending is unnatural due to being in a tank and isolated. Humans fair far worse. And yes, removing religion and replacing it with fucking social media has been an unmitigated disaster all around.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Let's say we actually repeal the 2nd amendment. What do you expect will happen to the hundreds of millions of guns in circulation here?
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Joe Biden speaking now.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I agree that the cycle or poor people and crime go together, but there's one thing that holds that argument back. A lot of thee big school shootings arent from dirt poor people from ghettos.
They actually look like well to do suburban families who have at minimum a middle income status. But how do we solve the situation for those surbanite kinds of wackos grabbing a gun and shooting? I dont know.
But IMO, I think one thing that does support everyone's love of guns and military promoting is the government, sports media etc.... always going ape shit promoting army, navy, air force kinds of shit as if every American kid grows up being educated about guns, shooting ranges and being a kick ass infantryman in those macho tv ads.
I dont think any other rich western country goes so over the top with military salutes, standing ovations, and jet fighter flybys. So guns, macho-ism and kicking people's skulls in is always around in media and government sponsored events.
Put it this way, I went to a Cleveland Browns NFL game. Terrible team, but still worth seeing. Believe it or not, the downtown area near the stadiums/arena is nice considering thr bad rep Cleveland has. Ok, they didn't have jet fighters, but no joke at all..... they had an attack helicopter flyby before kick off.
Who the fuck does attack chopper promotions during a sporting event? Must had been some army or air force promo.
Edit: Even better as I googled it, NFL fans in Cleveland also saw..... I thought it was a joke when I saw it but it's not.... an AC-130 flyby. It's like everyone in the stadium is amped up Call of Duty players.
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Hawking Radiation
Member
What does the Second Amendment mean in simple terms?
“The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.”
Yeah granting a couple hundred million people right to defend themselves with firearms is a grand idea. Where's that buzz lightyear meme: 'Guns, guns everwhere'
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daveonezero
Banned
haven’t read much from the founders of the USA have you?
Here's a few examples, though obviously these are not the only ones available and changes could be proposed, but it would be a start for holding a discussion:
-Universal background checks
-Ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazine clips
-Requirement of a license for all new gun owners, contingent upon passing a rigorous safety course
-Safe storage requirements and required safety features (e.g., child-proof locks) on all guns
-Effective tracing mechanisms on all guns and a national database of gun sales and gun owners
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
it is crazy that unless I’m missing one big one I forgot, until 1999 with Columbine, if you were to ask someone to name a notable mass shooting in America, many would probably go to Charles Whitman in the 60s. That doesn’t mean there weren’t any, just I can’t remember in my life many making the news prior to Columbine. Since then, they’ve skyrocketed significantly, we get at least one major one every year in this country, and the gun laws haven’t significantly changed. The only thing I can think of that is the cause of this is these acts inspire others when they see how much carnage they cause.
I think on a smaller scale you also see kind of the same thing in since 2020 in America. Homicides have gone up nationally, in some cities smash and grabs and carjackings have dramatically increased. Is it just a coincidence? I think in kind of the same fashion, in 2020 you saw so many people get away with so much stuff because of the riots and demoralization of law enforcement nationwide, it had inspired people to commit crime since they’re seeing others do it.
Crime really can be contagious.
I think on a smaller scale you also see kind of the same thing in since 2020 in America. Homicides have gone up nationally, in some cities smash and grabs and carjackings have dramatically increased. Is it just a coincidence? I think in kind of the same fashion, in 2020 you saw so many people get away with so much stuff because of the riots and demoralization of law enforcement nationwide, it had inspired people to commit crime since they’re seeing others do it.
Crime really can be contagious.
I wasn’t talking specifically about mass shootings. Crime and violence in general. We should be trying to tackle all of it.
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Jennings
Member
A bit about how the shooter was ultimately stopped.
apnews.com
Texas school shooting kills 18 children, 3 adults
UVALDE, Texas (AP) — An 18-year-old gunman opened fire Tuesday at a Texas elementary school, killing at least 18 children, officials said, and the gunman was dead. The death toll also included three adults, according to state Sen.
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ItsGreat
Member
You are spouting so much nonsense you sound like a complete conspiracy nut.a Dangerously so.
daveonezero
Banned
Yes he should be reported to the FBI like concerned parents.
You are the insane one trying to get though criminalized. Thoughts aren’t dangerous. Unless they are direct threats of violence which he didn’t do.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
There are a lot of problems that are uniquely American because they don't really exist in other countries. However, we don't want to use strategies that work in other countries in order to improve our own. It's a bit sad.
ItsGreat
Member
Why have you typed him in italics?
You adding fuel to the culture war? As if there isn't enough burning already.
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Toons
Member
A real hero.
If it's true the cop that was stationed there chose to do nothing, then I hope everh waking moment of his retirement is spent thinking about those dead kids who will never get to grow because he failed to act.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
Thanks for the link, Benny. Much appreciated.
He said "... the idea that an 18-year-old kid can walk in to a gun store and buy two assault weapons..."
This is where the message gets muddied and confusion ensues. "Assault weapon" is a nebulous term that can mean anything. Any weapon that someone uses to assault someone else is, by definition, an assault weapon. In the past, people would refer to an Assault Rifle which is an unambiguous, exact term that refers to a kind of high-capacity, detachable-magazine, fast-shooting rifle [EDIT: a weapons expert can correct me about Assault Rifles here; I'm sure my understanding is probably wrong somewhere]. There was no ambiguity there, so when someone called for "Assault Rifle bans" it was someone everyone could get behind and easily agree on.
He also said "I've spent my career fighting [for] common sense gun laws." I get it, this is a midterm year. But DUDE, for this one second, this shit ain't about you. It's about this tragedy and what can be done, now, to try to mitigate future tragedies like this. At least finish paying your respects before you engage on "campaign trail" nonsense. I swear, politicians can be the sleaziest bunch (I don't care about the affiliation of politicians, both sides engage in this kind of nonsense.)
Otherwise a reasonable speech.
This situation blows all around. A nightmarish, horrible, senseless tragedy. My thoughts always go back to the families of those affected, and I hope they all have the support they need in this time of darkness.
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Hawking Radiation
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