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14-Year Old Kills Bully. Prosecuted but Case Dismissed
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BoobPhysics101
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Maxim726x
14 year old special ed kids are not justified in defending themselves with a knife when being hit in the head by 16 year old athletes while surrounded by said 16 year old's friends
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
God some of you in here don't know how to read, or just bypassing it to further your own opinions
Good Lord
People have posted multiple time documents what took place, why it was justified, yet we have clown in here making up shit that even Hollywood is going, OK that is to much make believe
Good Lord
People have posted multiple time documents what took place, why it was justified, yet we have clown in here making up shit that even Hollywood is going, OK that is to much make believe
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Fists belonging to someone bigger, stronger, clearly demented, directed to someone he has made an object of disdain, all while being affirmed and encouraged by his peers to do worse than he did initially are MUCH deadlier than just any fists.
Yeah, or he could have been killed, beaten to death for having unshakable principles about the use of deadly force. Then we have one good kid dead and a demented kid locked up for who knows how long.
Yes. I really don't know why you seem to think the chance of being murdered has to be 80% or however high to justify using potentially deadly force in defense, but you are definitely in the minority and I personally can't understand how you carry such a mindset.
scar tissue
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Are you fucking serious?
Next thing, you'll argue that the gun-wielding mother in that other thread should've let herself be raped and possibly killed instead of killing the guy.
Because she could've filed charges afterwards, amirite?
Edit: wow, the bully was an athlete and the victim special ed?
self-defense cases really don't get any more clear-cut than this one
Wow... Isn't there an age requirement for posting on here?
'Will you STFU if I prove you wrong?? I don't agree so therefore you're trolling! LULLZZZ'
And yes, boys will be boys. Boys do get into fights. I can't imagine any rational person saying that stabbing someone in response to getting into a fight is okay, or even getting bullied. I have been jumped before, I did black out. Doesn't give me the right to fucking stab them.
It's abso-fucking-lutely ok to do whatever you need to do to protect yourself from someone who punches you in the back of the head. If you have a knife, stab them;a gun, shoot them.
This isn't bullshit fantasy world where a person punching you in the back of the head is guaranteed to stop beating you before you're seriously injured or dead. If someone punches you in the back of the head, you have to assume that they mean to do great physical harm and do everything you're able to do to prevent that.
BoobPhysics101
Banned
ReBurn
Gold Member
Even bullies have a defense force.
Well you are taking the approach of minimizing total harm to both kids, and that's where the law differs with you. The law says the person who is attacked doesn't have to accept any amount of harm to themselves, even if the end result is worse overall.
goldenpp72
Member
I don't feel bad for the bully and find the comments in the Youtube memorial to be at times hilarious. "Another waste of space put on the express train to hell." There seems to be a distinct split in this forum where you have one side who is super sensitive and treats every life equally, and another side who only values life when it deserves it. In my mind, at that age you know exactly what you're doing, they were torturing the poor kid and had warning signs to back off, and didn't. It's like when you read a story about how some dog hurts a kid for throwing a rock at its face, and people think the dog is the bad guy?
I value human life above all life, but when you prove to not be worth the life you have, you become sub human in my eyes, it's a shame the bully didn't get a wake up call to change his life, but something had to happen to help keep the bullied kid sane. I won't condone that kids should all carry knives and stab bullies, but on the flip side I would hope a bully would be smart enough not to engage someone with a deadly weapon.
I value human life above all life, but when you prove to not be worth the life you have, you become sub human in my eyes, it's a shame the bully didn't get a wake up call to change his life, but something had to happen to help keep the bullied kid sane. I won't condone that kids should all carry knives and stab bullies, but on the flip side I would hope a bully would be smart enough not to engage someone with a deadly weapon.
BoobPhysics101
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I already proved you wrong many times over, I even posted stats and consequences of head trauma.
No kidding. What a fucking joke. Maxim deserves a tag, it takes a really fucked up person to argue that a 14 year old special ed kid getting beat on by 16 year olds is OK because 'it's just a fight' and 'the 16 year old didn't deserve to get stabbed, there's no justification.'
Mystic Theurge
Member
When "boy will be boys" is your argument, you should know that you have no leg to stand on.
I agree not every victim reacts the same. But this:
Is clearly taking this case to its paranoid extreme.
scar tissue
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Getting raped and getting punched multiple times in the head by a much stronger person who has no intention of stopping are certainly somewhat comparable in the severity. (i.e. permanent physical and psychological damage can and will ensue)
Plus, who knows if the guy had raped her? Maybe he just wanted to punch her a bit?
She should've waited and found out.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Asshole life is precious. Other life? Pfft. Deserves shit.
None of that justifies the murder he committed. He got away with it solely cos of Florida's fucked up laws.
oh and
How many fatalities are the direct result of being punched in the back of the head?
How many fatalities are the direct result of being stabbed 12 times?
I fail to see the equivalency.
ReBurn
Gold Member
I guess a penis in a vagina during a violent assault makes all the difference, right?
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
You're lucky they didn't continue to boot stomp your head after you were unconscious. I remember a fight in high school where a kid went down and the guy started stomping on his head. It happened for a good 5 seconds until people realized what was happening and jumped in and pulled him off. Yep. Boys will be boys.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
If you were jumped, and knew you were going to get jumped, and had protection in the form of a pocket knife, yes it gives you the right to self-defend yourself
If that mean stabs to keep those assailants away, they aren't bullies anymore, they are there to give you bodily harm, unless you are into being a masochist and loves pain and wanted to get wailed on, then that is you prerogative sir
So your telling me is that you took it like a man, that you getting jumped, blacking out, signifies that all boys should follow your lead and do what you've done, "Never Give Up!, Never Surrender, Never Stab!"
scar tissue
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Actually you do have that right, if you'd fucking read. The fact you seem too stupid to defend yourself is another thing entirely.
You obviously don't care much for your life. How did you know that those guys that jumped you would stop after you blacked out?
Think about how fucked up in the head a person needs to be to jump a person and beat them within an inch of death. You trust these people to not only know when to stop in order not to cripple or kill you, but to be in the sound state of mind required to make that decision while they ruthlessly bash your head in?
Both are precious, that's the point.
Don't believe stabbing him was justified.
The bully was certainly a piece of shit. A 16 year old piece of shit that didn't need to die.
I don't get it. From the other link that was posted, each boy claimed neither wanted to fight:
.....but after getting stabbed (which would turn out to be fatal), he was still intent on fighting by instructing his friends to continue (screaming "Get him!" and whatnot).....even though he is DYING?
I....don't get it.
.....but after getting stabbed (which would turn out to be fatal), he was still intent on fighting by instructing his friends to continue (screaming "Get him!" and whatnot).....even though he is DYING?
I....don't get it.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Neither is ever fatal apparently. That's pure walk it off territory.
You're championing the bully's "right" to beat the piss out of people with no opposition.
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
He asked for it in a sense.
So boo fucking hoo.
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going to them gym, this thread is hilarious.
BoobPhysics101
Banned
Another person who doesn't know what murder is.
Here's the definition of murder.
And here's the definition of self-defense.
Now, would you like to continue claiming this is murder when his self-defense has been justified? Or are dictionaries just plain wrong?
The link is wrong. I already posted the court documents.
PsychoSoldier
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People just thinking "boys will be boys" is part of the reason that bullying is still a problem.
scar tissue
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So basically, you didn't take adequate measures to protect yourself, and now you resent those who do. Classy.
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
They think that causing embarrassment, fear, torture in a sense is something should be taken lightly it seems.
So what this kid suffered on that day is as bad as a woman getting raped? Surely you don't believe the gibberish you're typing.
12 stabs to the chest is not reasonable force in response to a punch in the head. It was murder.boobphysics101 said:
If I kill someone who is hitting me, I deserve whatever I get.
SCULLIBUNDO
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All right. We're saving the world, after all. Take him.
Nuno's friends lying after the fact is incomprehensible to you? Is it really that shocking that they would try to paint Nuno as some unwilling participant and paint him in the best light possible? This is boggling your mind? And you are a teacher, you say?
O_O
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
Yes... That's what it is. Fine detective work Sherlock.
Kids get jumped sometimes. Sucks, but it happens. Doesn't mean the perpetrators (usually kids) should die.
neutralgamer02
Member
It kinda funny. If the bully was 26 and the victim was 24 and the bully chased after the victim and hit the him multiple times in the head and the victim stabbed him 12 times in defense, this probably wouldn't even go to trial. People would just say the victim was attacked and he defended himself from assault. Wonder why it is different here?
Can you not read? The attacker was repeatedly punching him in the back of the head, a very sensitive area with a high probability of causing brain damage and possibly death.
And yes, pushing someone off the skateboard is fucking stupid and can result in life threatening head trauma without a helmet, although I wouldn't necessarily say that stabbing would be a proportionate response. If there's anything your dumb ass can learn from this thread, you should probably go to a hospital if you fall on a moderately hard surface and hit your head or bump your head on something harder than usual.
BoobPhysics101
Banned
Do you not understand that being raped and being assaulted are both justified usages of retaliatory force, regardless of whether it ends up with the assaulting party dying?
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Well it happened, no crying over spilled milk is there
Hopefully this leads to the public at large looking into this epidemic and try to figure out ways to deter this shit
It's not an overnight procedure
Why does a 14 year old need to carry a knife in High School due to be bullying to such a degree that it is justified, and laws that say so to that fact
Lets play a What if scenario
Say the kid get's wailed on, his friends join in, kid is on life support, takes him a year or two to recover, get mobility back, and goes get a gun and takes revenge, then what, will you come in asking for stats of High School kids who were bullied, injured to the point to the point of death, and come take revenge
But believing that the bullies should die is part of the solution? Because I've seen plenty 'he got what's coming to him' posts up in here.
scar tissue
Banned
NO. Of course they're not on the same level.
They are not comparable, but for the purpose of my analogy, the fact that they both lead to lasting damage is sufficient.
You will want to protect yourself from lasting damage, be it from rape or a beating.
Jeez.
ReBurn
Gold Member
If you get killed by someone you're hitting you deserve that, too.
I wish all of Criminal and Bully Defense GAF had tags identifying them as such so I know who to just ignore when I come on here.
Actually, it does. Just because you're too much of an idiot to defend yourself doesn't mean everyone else should be too.
Actually, it does. Just because you're too much of an idiot to defend yourself doesn't mean everyone else should be too.
LOL. You wouldn't "necessarily" say that being pushed off a skateboard is grounds to stab someone to death?
You people are fucking insane. Some of you need serious help.
Because a hysterical mother blubbered at the cops.
scar tissue
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Yeah, those that believe self-defense is murder certainly do.
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