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I'm just absolutely speechless. Needless to say, as little as it may be, I've donated $200 so far via the Red Cross website, and will salary sacrifice more now that my workplace has officially set up a scheme so we can all chip in. They're also donating $250,000 as well.

My thoughts go out to all those affected, no matter how small.
 
To put this into perspective... if we had the population of America, there would be some 4500+ dead americans (going off the 300+ projected estimate).
 
Shaneus said:
I'm just absolutely speechless. Needless to say, as little as it may be, I've donated $200 so far via the Red Cross website, and will salary sacrifice more now that my workplace has officially set up a scheme so we can all chip in. They're also donating $250,000 as well.

My thoughts go out to all those affected, no matter how small.
That's awesome man. Where do you work? My work laid me off last month, and I don't think they would ever donate.
 
Money goes a long way, but so does blood. Make sure to register yourselves and donate that too people.
 
I wished my first post was in a thread about Uncharted, but this is more important.

My cousin is in Melbourne for work and travel AND her grandmother died during the sunday to monday night, so this is fucking horrible. I hope everybody involved in starting those fires gets punished with the full force of the law. How fucked up do you have to be?

I also hope that from now on everybody get´s out there alive, the firefighters continue their brave task without injury and get laid for the rest of their lifes.
 
idahoblue said:
That's awesome man. Where do you work? My work laid me off last month, and I don't think they would ever donate.
Work in IT at a multinational company... rather not say where because... well... I might spend more time on here than actually working :lol But they're based in Melbourne, though.

I was quite surprised when I read it too, TBH.
 
Binabik15 said:
I wished my first post was in a thread about Uncharted, but this is more important.

My cousin is in Melbourne for work and travel AND her grandmother died during the sunday to monday night, so this is fucking horrible. I hope everybody involved in starting those fires gets punished with the full force of the law. How fucked up do you have to be?

I also hope that from now on everybody get´s out there alive, the firefighters continue their brave task without injury and get laid for the rest of their lifes.

Sorry to hear that man.
I really hope they catch these fucking arsonists.
 
Tntnnbltn said:
Current death toll: 181

There are some stunning high-quality images here. If it weren't for the tragedy surrounding them, some of those photos would be beautiful (I particularly like the colour in #15; a smaller version was posted up-thread)

(I feel bad for appreciating the photography considering the nature of the thread)

Edit: Thanks mods.
What about picture 16? nice colours- awesome photography- but very very sad.
 
I'm going to donate some money to the RSPCA. I feel sorry for the thousands of animals who are lost and burnt.

It upsets me thinking of the areas too. Marysville was so nice. Lovely 200 year old trees, that nice happy country town feel to it. The people were nice too. It was a great spot...now nothing.

I just can't understand how someone could have started this. I understand firebugs, they start them to see the big fire, a lot are firefighters so they also go out and fight it. But to start a fire that has wiped out towns, 181 people, 750 homes...how? I just hope they had no idea it would get this bad and that they are as shocked as everyone else, if they intended it...holy shit.
 
Darklord said:
I just can't understand how someone could have started this. I understand firebugs, they start them to see the big fire, a lot are firefighters so they also go out and fight it. But to start a fire that has wiped out towns, 181 people, 750 homes...how? I just hope they had no idea it would get this bad and that they are as shocked as everyone else, if they intended it...holy shit.
anyone who was out and about on saturday and experienced that intense heat, the single hottest day on RECORD, and lit a fire knew EXACTLY what was going to happen and I hope they are punished to the full extent that the law allows.
 
Darklord said:
It's like a nuke has gone off. That would be horrific to see. I can't imagine standing outside and seeing that.

Yup. :(

48 degrees and no rain for 8 months.. I can understand now how the fire moved so fast.
 
Darklord said:
It's like a nuke has gone off.

That was my thought too. It seems the fire front was moving so quickly in many cases it just melted and blasted everything at the same time. My impression of bush fires was always one of 'they generally move slow, but with wind can move more quickly, change direction, jump roads and rivers etc', but I never expected anything like this was possible. They must have been moving incredibly fast.

The scenes of burnt out car pile ups is something that makes you wonder what happened in the final few months for them to end up that way too.
 
I haven't posted in the thread before, but have been keeping up with the news of it since Friday night. It's just devastating to see the damage, both emotional and physical, some people have had to endure. I give my most heartfelt condolences for any NeoGAF member, or any of their friends/family that have perished in this amazing example of the ruthlessness of Earth, and the inhumanity in some people.
 
hadareud said:
what is it with the dramatic music in the background?

Is that normal for australian tv news?
Not for most news, but the logo shows this was an ACA exclusive (A Current Affair) which is one of the pseudo news programs here which love to over dramatise things. I think it's kind of shit, the video speaks for itself, you don't need to start up the hype train for it.

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Shaneus said:
Work in IT at a multinational company... rather not say where because... well... I might spend more time on here than actually working :lol But they're based in Melbourne, though.

I was quite surprised when I read it too, TBH.
Fair enough. That's good of them regardless, and good on you.
 
xabre said:
The scenes of burnt out car pile ups is something that makes you wonder what happened in the final few months for them to end up that way too.

The smoke was so heavy they couldn't see and mixed with going at high speeds and panicking they ended up smashing into each other and the fire caught up soon after.
 
Your Australian spirit and ability to deal with these horrors will bring out the best in your fellow citizens.
Whilst I hate the patriotism, bordering upon extreme nationalism, of this country's populace at times.. that quote is roughly on par. I'm sure every other Australian in this thread can agree with me.
 
Wow, how sad. Hope they catch the guy who started it.

Fix The Scientist said:
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Poor little guy :(
 
Damn this is awful, I've been following the news but never expected the number of casualties to be so high :( some of those pictures look straight out of a zombie movie.
 
SanjuroTsubaki said:
How is the guy able to just walk up like that? I know nothing.

It was injured, burnt and weak. Probably extremely dehydrated too. Poor little fella. Tens of thousands of wildlife creatures are probably dead from this too. :(
 
Darklord said:
It was injured, burnt and weak. Probably extremely dehydrated too. Poor little fella. Tens of thousands of wildlife creatures are probably dead from this too. :(

That's definitely one of the sadder things. Humans know how to get help and can pick themselves up and start over elsewhere. All of these animals will be helpless :(

Vormund said:
Judging by our recent heatwaves, Koalas are just coming up to humans because they know we'll help.

Heck, some of them have been known to come into houses and just start watching TV.

:lol

Aren't they normally a little aggressive?
 
Massive fires still burning...

[url=http://www.theage.com.au/national/victorian-towns-on-alert-as-bushfires-still-rage-20090210-83m1.html?page=-1]The Age[/url] said:
Victorian towns on alert as bushfires still rage
February 11, 2009 - 8:32AM

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Fires continue to menace communities near Beechworth. Photo: Nick Moir

The fire threat in the Yea-Murrindindi area, in north-east Victoria, is worsening because of strong southerly winds.

The Country Fire Authority has issued urgent alerts for the communities of Acheron, Cathedral Lane, Rubicon, Thornton and Taggerty Road and Bulls Lane. Residents are warned they may be directly impacted by the blaze.

The CFA said fire on the north-east front in the Blue Range is experiencing continuing fire activity because of the southerlies. There was also increased fire activity towards the northern end of the Black Range.

All Victorians have been warned to remain on alert for increased fire activity today despite calmer weather conditions overnight.

Increasing winds are expected to pose a problem for firefighters after crews spent the night working to establish control lines at 23 fires raging out of control in the state.

The death toll from Australia's worst ever natural disaster stands at 181 but authorities expect that number to increase as they gain access to fire-gutted areas.

"Crews have been working very hard to establish control lines along the Whanregarwen Road from the Maroondah Highway to Molesworth," the CFA said.

The authority said the fire was burning in a north-easterly direction and covered about 100,000 hectares.

In the Yarra Valley, fires continue to rage south-east of Toolangi and east and north of Healesville.

The CFA advises residents that the fire activity remains high, with increased possibility of ember attack. Residents have been warned to remain vigilant and aware of the localised change in conditions.

Communities in Healesville, Chum Creek, Badger Creek, Steels Creek, Dixons Creek, Yarra Glen, Toolangi and Castello are advised to remain alert to fire activity.

CFA spokesman Darren Grevis-James said strong southerly winds were expected to spring up in the region and push the fire in a northerly direction.

"There are a lot of of towns and hamlets that line the path and they should all be alert,'' Mr Grevis-James said.

"It isn't an issue for absolute critical concern, but people need to be alert that the fire could get up during the day.''

Fire crews from Tasmania arrived in Melbourne last night are now working with local crews.

Healesville's three primary schools and secondary school, which were closed yesterday, will remain closed today.

The CFA said residents of Alexandra, Thornton, Snobs Creek and Eildon communities north of Healesville also needed to stay vigilant, but were under no immediate threat of fire.

Overnight, firefighters used cool, relatively calm conditions to try to bolster control lines around bushfires ahead of predicted warm, windy and hot weather later in the week.

More than 4000 firefighters, including hundreds from interstate, still have their hands full with 23 fires out of control and 10 others contained but still burning strongly within control lines.

Threats have eased to towns near the Beechworth fire in the state's north-east and from the Bunyip Ridge and Churchill-Jeeralang fires in Gippsland.

The Kinglake Complex fire, in which at least 147 people have died, has blackened 230,000 hectares of land in a huge area spanning Wandong in the west, St Andrews and Kinglake in the south, Marysville in the east and Flowerdale and Taggerty in the north.

A fire in the Blue Range, south of Alexandra, is the most active sector of that fire.

Residents in and near Yarck and Caveat, north-west of Alexandra, are on alert for spotting from the Blue Range fire.

A series of fires near Healesville, known as the Maroondah/Yarra Complex, remains active.

The fires have burned about 1200 hectares and on Monday night threatened to burn houses on the outskirts of Healesville, but easing winds have allowed firefighters to make some gains.

"It's progressing well. It's still burning southeast of Toolangi and east and north of Healesville," Ms Cullen said.

"Residents continue to be advised that fire activity remains high and they need to be vigilant but it's not as aggressive as it has been."

Increased fire activity was detected at nearby Mount St Leonards early this morning and residents in Healesville, Chum Creek, Badger Creek, Steels Creek, Dixons Creek, Yarra Glen, Toolangi and Castella were placed on alert for changing conditions or increased fire activity nearby.

Fire crews and staff from Government agencies are working to protect community assets in the area and water catchment infrastructure at the Maroondah Reservoir.

Fires in the mountains above nearby Warburton and at the Bunyip State Park to the south are expected to cast a pall of heavy smoke over the upper Yarra Valley.

The 25,000-hectare Bunyip State Park fire still rages.

It is burning in the park and state forest areas between Gembrook, Powelltown, Neerim Junction and Tonimbuk, south-east of Melbourne.

In south Gippsland, the CFA has downgraded the threat posed to at least 10 tiny communities by the Churchill-Jeeralang fire.

At least 21 people were killed in the fire, which has burned 35,000 hectares, destroyed 77 buildings and caused high stock losses.

Conditions have also eased in the north-east, allowing fire crews to strengthen containment lines on the 30,000-hectare Beechworth fire.

No property was under immediate threat but the towns of Dederang, Gundowring, Gundowring Upper, Glen Creek, Kergunyah South, Mudgegonga and Running Creek were advised to remain on alert for bushfire activity.

"Increased smoke activity could be witnessed as firefighters undertake fresh backburning operations," Ms Cullen said.

Temperatures will remain cool to mild in Victoria today, with isolated showers in the south but no rain in the north.

Moderate to fresh southerly winds with high to very high fire danger in grass lands in the north.

A fire weather warning is current in the northern country and Mallee forecast districts and parts of the Wimmera and north central forecast districts with temperatures up to 25 degrees, humidity down to 15 per cent and winds to 45kmh predicted.

AAP
 
OP updated with donation links and a little more info for those not familiar with the conditions on that day.

I heard Germaine Greer talking about the fires and that woman disgusts me. What she said about fire management is spot on, in my opinion not enough is done with regular backburning to control the undergrowth, but when she starts saying why there was no advance warnings, she shows no understanding of the conditions on the day. Saturday was literally like a furnace, I've never experienced weather that hot or dry, and the wind was amazingly strong. There was good fire management procedures in place for normal conditions, but conditions were far from normal. You could compare it to building a wall expecting to stop a bike running into it. You build it strong enough to stop a car just in case, but then a semi-trailer 10 times heavier and 100 times faster comes plowing through. You just don't expect it and can do nothing about it.

I read reports of people saying that from seeing the smoke to having their house go up in flames was about 10 minutes warning. The sheer speed of it caught everyone by surprise, so those questioning the general level of readiness should seriously stfu
 
Just a heads-up, although its only tangentially related to the horrible fires.

Some evangelical cult in Australia is currently blaming the bushfires on Victoria passing abortion laws last year. Now, this isnt an attempt to derail this thread into a religious debate, but if anyone is deserving of some hate mail, it is these knobheads:

http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2009/02/10/media-release-abortion-laws-to-blame-for-bush-fires/

I would advise people to leave comments on their blog and/or report them to local govt for whatever excuse you can think of.
 
2 stupid bitches were joking and laughing about the bush fires at work today. Then they started saying our store was on fire, what the hell?
Some guy(who looked like a bushie) went NUTS at them and started screaming and yelling at them and saying things like "You fucking idiots! Do you have any fucking idea whats going on? Are you that fucking thick? You make me sick! Go back from where you came you fucking arseholes! Fuck off out of my sight!"

All this right in the middle of the store.:lol
Serves them right, who jokes about this? It would be like laughing about 9/11 right after it happened. You don't do it.

Tntnnbltn said:
Donated $50 at Bunnings just then.

Official death toll count hasn't risen today; that's something I guess.

They aren't releasing anymore death numbers I don't think because it keeps going up so high.

I'm going to donate $50 to the RSPCA. Tons of people are getting donations, the animals might not be.
 
Two suspected arsonists were today arrested by Australian police hunting those behind the horrific bush fires that have killed more 180 people.

The two men were seized near the town of Taggerty, 15 miles north of fire-ravaged Marysville, Victoria, where dozens of people are feared to have died.

Police and fire experts are today continuing to shift through the blackened ruins of the town.

Officers confirmed two men were today being questioned. But it is unknown which fires the arrests are related to or whether they caused any deaths.

They were arrested near Taggerty after reports of 'suspicious behaviour' between the towns of Seymour and Yea, 'in relation to the fires,' a Victoria police spokeswoman said.

'The investigation is in its initial stages. Two people are assisting police.'

Firefighters were today tackling fresh fires ripping through the Australian bush as the crisis showed no sign of abating.

The latest sites are near the historic town of Beechworth north-east of Melbourne.

Police said the fires - which include one huge blaze - had been deliberately started and warned residents to be prepared to flee.

Wind is so far keeping the flames away from houses.

'It's virtually impossible to believe that people are still lighting fires,' said Victoria's Premier John Brumby.

'There seems little doubt that these were deliberately lit. I think words escape us all
when it comes to describing that deliberate arson.'

Police hunting for arsonists responsible for the deaths of 181 people in Victoria's bushfires said today they are close to making an arrest.

With 80 people still missing in the town of Marysville - described as a potential 'Ground Zero' - and more of the badly burned victims expected to die in hospital, the death toll is expected to rise to 300.

Mr Brumby, and Police Commissioner Christine Nixon said more than 100 detectives in 'Task Force Phoenix', set up to hunt down the fire-starters, are 'close to finalising investigations' in an area east of Melbourne where 21 people died.

The detectives are understood to have at least two registration numbers - one of a car and another of a motor cycle said to have been used by arsonists at the source of two major outbreaks.

The remains of most the missing are believed to be lying under the rubble of homes in the historic town of Marysville - described as a potential 'Ground Zero' - a few miles from another badly-hit community, Kinglake.

Firefighter John Munday believes that when searchers can start sifting through the remains of Marysville 'the toll is going to be massive.'

Prime minister Kevin Rudd has said the arsonists should 'rot in jail'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...Australian-bush-blazes-shows-sign-ending.html
 
Probably its initial position, if they can tell where it started. There may be a leftover can of oil or something around there I'd imagine.
 
legend166 said:
Anyone else watching the telethon?

Orlando Bloom? wtf?

angry anderson "when stuff goes tits up". awesome.

yup this is a star studded cast haha.
warney, crawf, miranda kerr, megan gale. $66 million raised so far
 
I have firefighter friends who talk about their stories of making firebreaks and doing other such preventative measures out in California and the Pacific Northwest and was going to ask a question about such measures in Australia, but Google News answered it already.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25037765-5006301,00.html

Some of the worst-hit areas are in places where residents haven't liked scarring the countryside with firebreaks and fuel reduction burns, to keep down the years of dead wood and leaf litter that can turn a fire into a holocaust.

Take this evidence, given just 16 months ago by an official from the Yarra Ranges Shire Council to an inquiry into bushfire prevention by State Parliament's Environment and Natural Resources Committee:

"It is important that the establishment of the new permanent strategic firebreaks are implemented only after rigorous environmental impact assessments are completed.

...

The bushfire inquiry, to its credit, told the State Government to "increase its annual prescribed burning target from 130,000 hectares to 385,000 hectares" – the kind of message many other forest managers have long been urging.

It was only last December that the Government gave its formal reply. It supported the higher target "in principle", "however, the annual area treated by planned burning needs to be determined based on science and risk management frameworks . . ." Blah, blah.

Bushfire academic David Packham this week was scathing of the modern "pseudo-science" that puts protecting trees above protecting people.

"It has been a difficult lesson for me to accept that despite the severe damage to our forests and even a fatal fire in our nation's capital, the political decision has been to do nothing that will change the extreme threat to which our forests and rural lands are exposed."
http://www.theage.com.au/national/a...uncil-green-policy-20090211-83p0.html?page=-1

"We've lost two people in my family because you dickheads won't cut trees down," he said.

"We wanted trees cut down on the side of the road … and you can't even cut the grass for God's sake."

...

Another resident said she had asked the council four times to tend to out-of-control growth on public land near her home, but her pleas had been ignored.

http://www.3news.co.nz/News/Interna...tabid/417/articleID/90872/cat/62/Default.aspx

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It is somewhat ironic that the Sheahan’s home is the only one left standing for two kilometres.

They were fined A$50,000 in 2002 for illegally clearing 250 trees near the Reedy Creek home to make a fire break.

It was a decision that put them through seven years of hell – labelled lawbreakers and left emotionally and financially drained.

But today they feel vindicated.
 
Looks like the 2 held may not have been involved:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25043709-421,00.html
POLICE investigating the Victoria fires have cleared two men of any wrongdoing, as officers confirmed a serial arsonist was being investigated over the Gippsland blaze which killed 21 people.

More than 150 detectives are working on the fires across the state. The official death toll remains at 181, but it is expected to rise.

In the state's northeast, two men were arrested this morning near Taggerty after reports of "suspicious behaviour between Seymour and Yea in relation to the fires", a police spokeswoman said. They were later released without charge, Sky News reported.

Police are close to releasing a photo of the Gippland suspect, deputy commissioner Simon Overland said, but he would not comment on a rumour that the suspect is a teenager.

Serial arsonist

"There has been a serial arsonist in this area for some period time and we have been working on that," Mr Overland said.

"It's too early to say whether it was that person that was responsible for the fire that happened on Saturday, but that's obviously something we will follow through."

Mr Overland refused to be drawn on rumours the person they were looking for, could in fact be a teenager sighted riding into pine areas on a dirt bike.

"We are concerned about any information that might lead us to the person responsible. The public has been wonderful passing information through to us and we ask them to continue to do that. Even the smallest piece of information are important and it could be that one piece of information that helps us put the jigsaw together."

The fire in Marsyville is also being investigated as possible arson because of its ferocity, it has been reported. So far eight deaths have been confirmed in the town but it is feared up to 100 of the town's 519 people might have died.

Victorian Premier John Brumby today confirmed a 15-hectare grass fire at Mansfield, started on Wednesday, was deliberately lit.

"Again what do you say about this except that we have a huge police team which is out there trying to track down any of these people responsible," he said.

Water bombing aircraft were used to quell the fire, which broke out in a pine plantation southeast of the town.

Fires in East Kilmore, between Yea and Seymour, started on Saturday and merged with the Yea-Murrindindi fire creating the massive Kinglake Complex fire. This fire, which was not started by arsonists, has burnt almost 230,000ha, destroyed 550 homes and killed at least 147 people in a wide area from Wandong, north of Melbourne to Marysville and Taggerty.

Experts have traced the starting point of the deadly Kinglake fire - a paddock on a hill in Kilmore East.
 
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