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3D Classics on 3DS: the basics of converting an old game to 3D
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AceBandage
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Cipherr said:
Bravo.
industrian
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_dementia said:
That's pretty awesome.
Crumpet Trumpet
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Cool thread. Was Yoshi's Island one of the games that Nintendo showed off? Because I feel like that would probably be the standout classic platformer in 3D.
edit: Oh, apparently it was! Looking forward to that.
edit: Oh, apparently it was! Looking forward to that.
To be honest, if it's going to be that difficult to make the 'classics' a proper 3D rendition, I'm surprised Nintendo is going to bother at all. I'm sure they will make enough money with the VC GB/GBC (and I know GBA eventually) titles. Nevermind I feel 3DS games are going to do well enough on their own.
Why do the classics if it's that hard? Especially if they wouldn't sell them at full retail price.
Why do the classics if it's that hard? Especially if they wouldn't sell them at full retail price.
Cheesemeister
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Hobbun said:
The effort involved is far less than it would be to create a new game from scratch. Just don't expect the prices to be as low as the straight ROM dumps.
Dreamwriter
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As I said before, I played it at E3, and it really is the perfect 3D remake. The fact that it's a vertical shooter where you shoot ships in the sky and also bomb things on the ground makes it perfect, as if the game was designed for 3D. In the past I've never been a big fan of Xevious, but I thought it was really neat playing it in 3D.From The Dust said:
TheGreatMightyPoo
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jett said:
That's why they are going to charge a shitload for them, silly.
Dreamwriter
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While they are actually doing 3D Classics, they aren't necessarily doing it with all those games. At the time they just said that was a tech demo, and most of those weren't playable games but still pictures.KevinCow said:
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Heck, I'm not even sure how Mario Bros. would work - black background, side view, all gameplay is on the same plane...
AceBandage
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Dreamwriter said:
I think the fact that they showed them off means they are planning to do it with those games.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Dreamwriter said:
I was all ready to preorder tennis, you negative nancy.
Dash Kappei
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Great thread UncleSporky, a pleasure to read, bravo.
BlazeHedgehog
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Sqorgar said:
He's right, actually!
If anyone has a pair of 3D glasses laying around I actually used Youtube's under-utilized 3D mode for some footage of WarioLand VB, and it looks pretty nifty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38lev2Bf8q8
Youtube's 3D stuff seems a bit wonky at the moment so if doesn't work try going to "Other Options" in the menu, setting up how you want to view it, and then reload the video.
BlueTsunami
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That example of Mario 64 in 3D made me squeal. I don't really care about the translation of 2D to 3D viewing but games that are already 3D (and mainly platform'ers, racers and First Person view games).
Nuclear Muffin
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It's very simple really.
3D Classics = native ports (ALA Super Mario Advance)
Virtual Console = emulated ROMs (no changes)
Naturally, 3D Classics games go through the same kind of porting process as the PS3's "Classics HD" games. So the games can't come out nearly as quickly.
3D Classics = native ports (ALA Super Mario Advance)
Virtual Console = emulated ROMs (no changes)
Naturally, 3D Classics games go through the same kind of porting process as the PS3's "Classics HD" games. So the games can't come out nearly as quickly.
dreamcastmaster
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I'm hoping for colorized Virtual Boy games. Still keep the lines for stuff like Vertical force but color them like Star wars arcade. The sprite based stuff can be full color.
JoshuaJSlone
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I'm just thinking out loud here, but I wonder how much they could preserve the ease of the simple sort of emulation layering without so many of the problems. Would it be completely unrealistic if they somehow, say, made a virtual machine that is just an SNES but with 10 times as many layers? Then instead of two objects being programmed to both end up on layer 4 just because there are only a few to work with, one could end up on layer 32 and one on layer 50.
No moreso than rereleasing a game in color or HD form.RockmanWhore said:
Does turn out pretty nice.Tathanen said:
Heh. In some ways that's almost as big a change for better-known games. And a welcome reversal from, say, the GBC port of SMB which lost 60% of the screen pixels.Big One said:
That is another interesting possibility, and would allow for "internal" depth rather than just between the layers.140.85 said:
This is far from foolproof thinking, but if I was in their position and it was going to be such a rare thing, I wouldn't have coined a "3D Classics" name to differentiate them, rather than them just referring to them as occasional 3D remakes available on 3DSWare.David Dayton said:
Graphics Horse
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Good thread!
Xevious isn't that much of a remake from the looks of it, but they have had to manually extend the backgrounds to fill the widescreen, and make the bullets and enemies which leave the sides of the screen behave appropriately.
It's a bit strange, I'm sure they said the game still limits your ship to the middle of the screen and you can't move out into the sides.
Essentially it's a very easy game to redesign for 3D, as there's just ground, ground objects and air objects. Reworking it via an emulator should even be possible, once you have a way to identify whether a sprite belongs on the ground or in the air you've done most of the work. Getting it to work in widescreen is where most of the effort will have gone.
Damn. This is why we need holographic screens now instead of 10 years time.
From The Dust said:
Xevious isn't that much of a remake from the looks of it, but they have had to manually extend the backgrounds to fill the widescreen, and make the bullets and enemies which leave the sides of the screen behave appropriately.
It's a bit strange, I'm sure they said the game still limits your ship to the middle of the screen and you can't move out into the sides.
Essentially it's a very easy game to redesign for 3D, as there's just ground, ground objects and air objects. Reworking it via an emulator should even be possible, once you have a way to identify whether a sprite belongs on the ground or in the air you've done most of the work. Getting it to work in widescreen is where most of the effort will have gone.
_dementia said:
Damn. This is why we need holographic screens now instead of 10 years time.
... Whack in a fake mario style background to give parallax and depth. Voila.Dreamwriter said:
I'm surprised there are so many NES games mentioned. I'd have thought the SNES would be more suited as the games are prettier and IMO more rounded than NES ones, and the SNES had more of a discrete playfield/layers approach which should make many conversions fairly simple
Graphics Horse
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Here is a video of the 3DS classics, Not sure if it's much more than a sideshow right now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MxR5U4QLLs
And how would they make Metroid look different when it's just black backgrounds?
And how would they make Metroid look different when it's just black backgrounds?
abstract alien
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I still don't understand why I can see these types where three pictures are lined up, but not the ones where there are two pics lined up.
...wait, could you do Muramasa?
Hmmm, maybe some Super Metroid? DKC/Killer Instinct might look nice do to the rendering perhaps?Mik2121 said:
...wait, could you do Muramasa?
Masked Man
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Thanks for the thorough analysis for those of us with little technical knowledge. Very informative! 
Neuromancer
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Add Pilotwings 64 and 1080 Snowboarding and this would be the system of forever.1-D_FTW said:
criesofthepast
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Great thread, man. Real interesting read.
JoshuaJSlone
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The thing about three images is that it's compatible with both parallel or cross-viewing, depending on whether you use the left two or right two images. If you see one with just two images and it's not working for you, it must be made for the way you don't use.abstract alien said:
From The Dust
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VOOK said:
how did the concert look in 3D?
Pathetic Basement Virgin
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Boney said:
Yep.
Sega1991 said:
That looks really cool. My glasses suck though, I can see some of the effects but with stuff like the boss battle, when the boss is in the background I see double of him. One is red, and one is blue. Once I get better glasses I'll make sure to re-watch that.
UncleSporky
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Could you describe how it looks? For example, does the effect look similar to this:VOOK said:
Or is there even more depth to it? Like pipes looking actually rounded, or being able to tell the blocks are cubes?
I just want the following games to be playable on the 3DS:
Yoshi's Island
Mother 2
Zombies Ate My Neighbors
Super Metroid
etc
i don't care about the 3D so i hope they don't hurt themselves too hard over converting them well into that format. Just bring them there for cheap. If the 3D conversion is shitty that's fine by me.
Yoshi's Island
Mother 2
Zombies Ate My Neighbors
Super Metroid
etc
i don't care about the 3D so i hope they don't hurt themselves too hard over converting them well into that format. Just bring them there for cheap. If the 3D conversion is shitty that's fine by me.
Vyse The Legend
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RockmanWhore said:
Actually, 3D would make Landstalker infinitely better/easier. The isometric platforming was super tricky back in the day.
There's a 3D video of Excitebike 64 on youtube. Would love to see a perfected version for the 3DS.
It's quite glitchy but is one of the most effective uses of 3D I've seen. Great depth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzwawHm2HiM
If you want to see the cross eye view then just hover over the 3D button and swap the left and right images.
It's quite glitchy but is one of the most effective uses of 3D I've seen. Great depth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzwawHm2HiM
If you want to see the cross eye view then just hover over the 3D button and swap the left and right images.
Has anyone that's played with the JP 3DS confirm that virtual console games actually have individual depth for different sprites on the screen? I always thought Nintendo would just make the whole screen 3D so you get the exact same image, just that it pops out. I just don't see Nintendo putting in the extra effort to actually make this all nice like OP would want to (remember when they said they could add stuff to roms on the Wii Virtual console, like online? the most we got was some button graphics changed from N64 to Wii VC classic controller, if at all cause I might just be remembering wrong)
Woffls
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Okay that's awesome. It surprises me that old games used so few layers, but presumably stuff with parallax backgrounds will be easily separated for 3D effect? Seeing how easy it is for 3D games to be made 33DD is a pleasant surprise, though it's completely logical that it'd be so easy.
I've only just found out about these 3D Youtube videos as well. Very cool.
I've only just found out about these 3D Youtube videos as well. Very cool.
More N64 games:Taker666 said:
Super Mario 64: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aluc_bSN-yk&NR=1
Paper Mario: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5usQPQdhwo
Ocarina of Time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zp4btJ0lUY
All of these are a bit glitchy and Paper Mario only gets 3D in the plaza, but damn if the castle doesn't look beautiful.
Graphics Horse
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K701 said:
I don't think VC games are available yet, but I'm pretty sure they contain no 3D.
The 3D classics will be a seperate thing assuming they release them at some point.