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3DS FAQ - Everything we know about the 3DS so far
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QuiteWhittle
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Why not?Boney said:
APZonerunner
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ILikeFeet said:
They've got a new US CEO now - so hopefully he will put a stop to this practice of charging more. He's Westernising the culuture of SE USA a lot more - he's an ex-Microsoft guy - and is the first SE US CEO who's not an Asian. He's got a history at other, more 'grounded' developers in the West, so I don't think they will. They've never charged any extra here in Europe.
Cygnus X-1
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blu
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in graphics everything that is computed based on a camera position - specular lighting, vertex output in screen space, corresponding clipping work, homogeneous interpolants, etc, has to be computed as many times as there are cameras, namely twice in 3DS' case. some things that don't follow that rule, like shadow and skinning computations, may or may not be possible to be isolated for single-time execution, depending on whether pica can *efficiently* split its vertex workload in such a manner. it's a safer bet to assume that the display-related vertex workload is doubled for stereoscopy, than to claim that it's not, based on isolated special-case techniques.BDGAME said:
sure, it's your FAQ, do as you will. just so you know, though:
* psp's GE cannot do multitexturing at all (i.e. it needs multipassing to do multitexturing)
* flipper, as found in the cube, runs at 162MHz
* your fillrate numbers do not correspond to the texture layers numbers, e.g:
ps2 max fillrate is not 600MPix/s (it's ~2.4GPix/s sans textures, 1.2GPix/s with one) - that'd be with 2 texture layers;
flipper's fillrate is 650MPix/s with 1 texture layer, not 8;
xgpu's fillrate is 930MPix/s with up to 2 texture layers, but its physical cap per pass is 8 layers. due to its memory architecture, though, its peak numbers are more theoretical than practical (in contrast to the other consoles of the same gen).
also, people like porn. what people like and what constitutes useful information are two entirely different things.
Cygnus X-1
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Jason's Ultimatum said:
A sequel of Majora's Mask would be more appreciated.
AceBandage
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ElFly said:
SS is a prequel, actually.
Cygnus X-1
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ElFly said:
I meant a spiritual sequel, i.e. a Zelda having the same background of dark, vastly by characters-interconnected world.
Wind Waker and Twilight Princess are sequels of Ocarina of Time.
Cow Mengde
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Jason's Ultimatum said:
Imagine if the game was unlocked after your beat OOT 3D...
I can dream, can't I?
overthehill99
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Are the buttons soft like the DS Lite, or clicky like the PSPgo and DSi?
If they're soft I'm gonna cry
A question from a tech-noob, bear with me:
We already know that the 3DS can't technically push as many polygons as the PS2. However, we also know that developer experience, new techniques and better shader integration can and will do wonders. Are we at a point where geometry on the 3DS could look on par with/better than on the PS2 (if not GC/XBox/Wii) because of those factors? Granted, the limitations of the 3DS in terms of polygon-pushing showed on a game like Kid Icarus (Pit's model looks a bit rough), but when I see MGS3DS and SSFIV 3DS I'm like "okay, the models look great". So... developer/shader trickery, or will the limitations definitely become apparent?
(I don't even know if polygons are only used for geometry, but you get my point I suppose.)
We already know that the 3DS can't technically push as many polygons as the PS2. However, we also know that developer experience, new techniques and better shader integration can and will do wonders. Are we at a point where geometry on the 3DS could look on par with/better than on the PS2 (if not GC/XBox/Wii) because of those factors? Granted, the limitations of the 3DS in terms of polygon-pushing showed on a game like Kid Icarus (Pit's model looks a bit rough), but when I see MGS3DS and SSFIV 3DS I'm like "okay, the models look great". So... developer/shader trickery, or will the limitations definitely become apparent?
(I don't even know if polygons are only used for geometry, but you get my point I suppose.)
AceBandage
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Kilrogg said:
Basically, developers will have games looking 360 quality, only blockier.
I don't think we know that.Kilrogg said:
Though, I don't doubt it's could be somewhere along the lines of the Dreamcast if I were to guess, which is pretty much all we can do. The only words we have are those that have come from interviews and those aren't generous with details about it's graphical capability.
First of all, the lower resolution means that you can get away with a lower polycount, anyway. Then you have normal maps, a technology used to fake detail, and something you didn't see on PS2. The polygon subdivision feature of the GPU might also come in handy once developers get a better grasp of the hardware.Kilrogg said:
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The original source had some crazy ads content, so I'll pass on a secondary more sfw one
http://www.wiids.nl/article.php?id=34563
Could this be the production model of the 3DS?
AceBandage
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Er, how is that different from the E3 model?
Azure Dream
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Cirruss said:
At max, it would just be d-pad controls mapped to a slider. And that's not Nintendo's style anyway, so most likely not.
Crumpet Trumpet
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which curve?ILikeFeet said:
ILikeFeet said:
I honestly have had little experience with the PSP. But it slid nicely, and felt like it had a lot of travel to it.
Kulock said:
Yes to the first part, but no to the second. The Game Boy Player let you use an analog stick for Game Boy d-pad controls, and it actually worked pretty well with the games I tried it with.
Not really sure it would work out quite so well for games like SM64, though, particularly as it would be as you saidjust mapping various positions of the slide pad to d-pad controls. SM64DS would have to be patched to actually use the slide pad as a true analog control.
...and why do that when you can almost certainly sell it in 3D
Crumpet Trumpet said:
Yeah, I'm rechecking the E3 press shot, and it looks identical to the picture above. Plus that steel cable looks exactly like the tether they had to attach 3DS systems to the 3DSettes.
Cow Mengde
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ILikeFeet said:
Wait for New Play Controls Super Mario 64 DS.
The theoretical max definitely isn't as high as the PS2, that's assuming the PICA number for the 40 million is a theoretical number and not an actual performance number. If they do go for 40 million but with everything rendered twice, it should be closer to GC level at 20 million.
This all entirely based on assumption of course.
jj984jj said:
Eh, my bad, I went by the OP. The question still stands though: does geometry depends solely on polycount, or are there ways (from developer experience to specific shaders) to maintain good geometry with a low polycount? Some people said yes in the previous posts. That's all I was asking.
I know this sounds silly but, I like everything about the tech of the 3DS, just not the design of the system. Being a DSi XL owner I have been spoiled by two huge screens and seeing the comparison of screen sizes disappoints me. I know the 3DS screens are higher res but until they come out with some type of XL version of the 3DS, I think I'll hold off. Hopefully Nintendo will be quick with the hardware revisions.
MadOdorMachine
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The biggest difference to me seems to be the color. Before you had blue/purple/red on bottom and black on top. Now it's just one solid color.AceBandage said:
That would be so nice. I know a lot of people are tired of remakes, but I want to play the definitive version. Give me SMS graphics, slider control and stereo 3D and I'll gladly pay full price all over again. I think these remakes (Zelda, StarFox, etc.) are perfect candidates for digital downloads too. I really wish they would make it compatible with Wii as well though, especially since they both have SD card slots now.Cow Mengde said:
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