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4+ hurt on a german train. Assailant with an axe

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Royal_Phalanx said:
On what points? Don't see why they should go any further.
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Psychological evaluation should be a process that isn't done once and it should be mandatory for every age, not just for people under 25.
It should be also something that gets done a relatively regular basis.

A medical examination should be also something that should be done on a basis of every 5 years or so.

hobblygobbly said:
Certain things are more relaxed than other countries, while other things aren't. We do have a lot of regulation of certain aspects that go to further extents than others if you do own them such as how ammunition and guns must be stored and transported, which other countries regulate less but have a much stricter process of obtaining a gun in the first place in relation to Germany. Perhaps the strictest in absolute is the wrong word, but definitely among the strictest. The strictest would be outright ban.
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I like South Korea's laws.
 
SporeCrawler said:
Oh well this will be used by the AFD I suppose..

Just hope that the injured will make it through..

Stull not sure why the culprit was killed. He was fleeing
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He was about to attack the police with his axe, they didn't have much of a choice.

And yup, the AfD will use this. They'll use it as confirmation of what they've warned of for months now.
 
I adjusted the injury number in the title to reflect the confusion in-thread, but left a + so that anyone interested can read further and discover the discrepancy.
 
danthefan said:
What was he fleeing? If he still had the axe he could have cracked the next person he came across in the head. Seems like a perfectly reasonable action from the police.
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Exactly.

This happened just a couple of hundreds of meter from my house and i heard the gun shots.

What if i was there on the street at that time he flew from the train? I could be dead. Especially it was already dark and you cant see shit.

Police did the right thing in my opinion.
 
danthefan said:
What was he fleeing? If he still had the axe he could have cracked the next person he came across in the head. Seems like a perfectly reasonable action from the police.
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No its not

Art 66 of the bavarian police law says that you can only use guns to disarm a person or hinder them from fleeing. A shot that with a high probability of killing someone is only allowed to prevent immediate danger to a life of another person and if there is no other way to prevent this.

Art. 66 PAG – Allgemeine Vorschriften für den Schusswaffengebrauch

(2) 1Schusswaffen dürfen gegen Personen nur gebraucht werden, um angriffs- oder fluchtunfähig zu machen. 2Ein Schuss, der mit an Sicherheit grenzender Wahrscheinlichkeit tödlich wirken wird, ist nur zulässig, wenn er das einzige Mittel zur Abwehr einer gegenwärtigen Lebensgefahr oder der gegenwärtigen Gefahr einer schwerwiegenden Verletzung der körperlichen Unversehrtheit ist.
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SporeCrawler said:
No its not

Art 66 of the bavarian police law says that you can only use guns to disarm a person or hinder them from fleeing. A shot that with a high probability of killing someone is only allowed to prevent immediate danger to a life of another person and if there is no other way to prevent this.
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A person that has just injured 21 with an axe fleeing the scene still armed with it can be considered an immediate danger to life for others if successful in his escape.
 
SporeCrawler said:
No its not

Art 66 of the bavarian police law says that you can only use guns to disarm a person or hinder them from fleeing. A shot that with a high probability of killing someone is only allowed to prevent immediate danger to a life of another person and if there is no other way to prevent this.
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Seems you missed this. Reports say he was shot when he was about to attack the SEK.


Apparently was shouting 'allah ackbar'

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschla...Wuerzburg.html
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And there we go then.
 
LUFTRAUSER said:
Incidents such as this one are why the right wing is gaining so much power in Europe.
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Can you blame the people for being scared? Also imagine how difficult it would pick out the bad seeds hiding within a group of refugees. It's easier to say fuck it, no more refugees. Also not everyone is a refugee, some are immigrants.
 
Lucumo said:
Oh well. We will see what the politicians say (or maybe even do).
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That this was a tragic incident, but obviously an individual case, unless there are other indicators.
No sane person should expect that there would be no case of criminal action by refugees (especially after what most of them have been through..), so it should hardly affect the majority.
Of course hardliners and other cunts will argue otherwise, but it's not like they ever made logical arguments, so why should we expect to have one with this case ?

SporeCrawler said:
No its not

Art 66 of the bavarian police law says that you can only use guns to disarm a person or hinder them from fleeing. A shot that with a high probability of killing someone is only allowed to prevent immediate danger to a life of another person and if there is no other way to prevent this.
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Pennywise said:
You realize that this could mean that he was fleeing, but the police cornered him and he attacked them ?
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Salty Rice said:
Exactly.

This happened just a couple of hundreds of meter from my house and i heard the gun shots.

What if i was there on the street at that time he flew from the train? I could be dead. Especially it was already dark and you cant see shit.

Police did the right thing in my opinion.
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I am akazed that there are so many gafers from wuerzburg.. Such a tragic thread to find out though..
Corto said:
A person that has just injured 21 with an axe fleeing the scene still armed with it can be considered an immediate danger to life for others if successful in his escape.
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Nope. "Gegenwärtig" in this context is meant to be restrictive
Shiggy said:
Seems you missed this. Reports say he was shot when he was about to attack the SEK.




And there we go then.
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Thanks that was the missing piece.
 
Puruzi said:
What the fuck an AXE?!
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Well, if this was the US he would have been armed with a Semi-Auto Assault Rifle or Shotgun. The outcome would have been ALOT worse. All praise to strict gun laws.

Sigh, this is gonna be grist for the mills of the AFD, they are too popular for my tastes already (though they've been pretty busy demasking themselves as Nazis lately, that should keep damage in check).
 
The fact that the left would prefer to keep their heads buried in the sand on this issue is probably why right wing groups are gaining so much power in Europe. No one else to blame but themselves really. Shouting down legitimate concerns as racism can only work for so long.
 
Well ffs, this is exactly what we not need in Germany right now.

And yeah, I second the notion that this could've been much worse if we had lax gun laws such as in the US. You obviously can't prevent everyone from getting a gun but when guns are hardly prevalent in society, some bad events will inevitably turn out less bloody.

Rune of Destiny said:
The fact that the left would prefer to keep their heads buried in the sand on this issue is probably why right wing groups are gaining so much power in Europe. No one else to blame but themselves really. Shouting down legitimate concerns as racism can only work for so long.
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I do hate the black/white thinking, the generalizations and demonizations coming from both sides of the spectrum. That's not how constructive solutions are found. I believe there is some common ground but unfortunately the radical voices are the loudest ones, as usual.
 
Sometimes I wish people would worry as much about this global wave of Islamist attacks, by both groups and individuals, as much as about the rise of the far-right. Maybe by worrying a bit more about it in a rational, objective, and non-inflamatory way, politicians could become electable to those who are voting for far-right demagogues simply because they are scared and see nobody else talking about the elephant in the room.

Add up the victims we had around the world this year and have a look at how this phenomenon manifests culturally and structurally around the world. This phenomenon can not be explained by alleged mental illnesses of a few lunatics.
 
GloriousBagel said:
Can you blame the people for being scared? Also imagine how difficult it would pick out the bad seeds hiding within a group of refugees. It's easier to say fuck it, no more refugees. Also not everyone is a refugee, some are immigrants.
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Of course not. I was only stating a fact.
ElTorro said:
Sometimes I wish people would worry as much about this global wave of Islamist attacks, by both groups and individuals, as much as about the rise of the far-right. Maybe by worrying a bit more about it in a rational, objective, and non-inflamatory way, politicians could become electable to those who are voting for far-right demagogues simply because they are scared and see nobody else talking about the elephant in the room.

Add up the victims we had around the world this year and have a look at how this phenomenon manifests culturally and structurally around the world. This phenomenon can not be explained by alleged mental illnesses of a few lunatics.
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Pretty much. I think they need to do more to address the common factor here.
 
ElTorro said:
Sometimes I wish people would worry as much about this global wave of Islamist attacks, by both groups and individuals, as much as about the rise of the far-right. Maybe by worrying a bit more about it in a rational, objective, and non-inflamatory way they could become electable to those who are voting for for far-right parties simply because they are scared.

Add up the victims we had around the world this year and have a look at how this phenomenon manifests culturally and structurally around the world. This phenomenon can not be explained by alleged mental illnesses of a few lunatics.
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as a centrist and as non-religious person, I agree with you 100%
 
Shit, hope they all survive. Bad news, really bad news. Fuck AfD who are going to capitalize on this, but fuck Merckel too for having no plan or agenda just plain Euro-pathos. She is nothing but Helmut Kohl's brain fart! Yes, surprise... you can criticize the German chancellor without being a right-wing a-hole or commy dreamer.
 
ElTorro said:
Sometimes I wish people would worry as much about this global wave of Islamist attacks, by both groups and individuals, as much as about the rise of the far-right. Maybe by worrying a bit more about it in a rational, objective, and non-inflamatory way, politicians could become electable to those who are voting for far-right demagogues simply because they are scared and see nobody else talking about the elephant in the room.

Add up the victims we had around the world this year and have a look at how this phenomenon manifests culturally and structurally around the world. This phenomenon can not be explained by alleged mental illnesses of a few lunatics.
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Very true. We need rational discussion on it, but those discussions quickly turn into either extremes, which is the problem.
 
Is there a reason why this is such a huge story? For example there are more days in the year in the US where there are mass shootings than those days where there aren't any. What gets classified as news worthy?
 
Pennywise said:
Psychological evaluation should be a process that isn't done once and it should be mandatory for every age, not just for people under 25.
It should be also something that gets done a relatively regular basis.

A medical examination should be also something that should be done on a basis of every 5 years or so.



I like South Korea's laws.
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South Korean law is not something I agree with to be honest. What's in place in most of Europe clearly works, don't need to become any stricter.

The thing is, with any discussion on immigrants/refugees a lot of opponents are basing this on bigotry.
 
ElTorro said:
Sometimes I wish people would worry as much about this global wave of Islamist attacks, by both groups and individuals, as much as about the rise of the far-right. Maybe by worrying a bit more about it in a rational, objective, and non-inflamatory way, politicians could become electable to those who are voting for far-right demagogues simply because they are scared and see nobody else talking about the elephant in the room.

Add up the victims we had around the world this year and have a look at how this phenomenon manifests culturally and structurally around the world. This phenomenon can not be explained by alleged mental illnesses of a few lunatics.
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People seem to be more concerned with people being killed, rather than a discontent uprising by its own citizens.
 
You'd think the Brexit debacle would be enough to convince European leaders to address the refugee situation but I guess not. I have a feeling that they won't realize what has happened until it is too late and the right wing has taken over.
 
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