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[la_briola]

Is there a reason why this is such a huge story? For example there are more days in the year in the US where there are mass shootings than those days where there aren't any. What gets classified as news worthy?

Germany != USA

 

[ElTorro]

Is there a reason why this is such a huge story? For example there are more days in the year in the US where there are mass shootings than those days where there aren't any. What gets classified as news worthy?

In Europe we are not used to people who want to slaughter everyone around them with an axe.

 

[His Majesty]

Is there a reason why this is such a huge story? For example there are more days in the year in the US where there are mass shootings than those days where there aren't any. What gets classified as news worthy?

Some guy attacking people on a train with a fucking axe certainly classifies as newsworthy to me. It's certainly not the norm in Europe.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Is there a reason why this is such a huge story? For example there are more days in the year in the US where there are mass shootings than those days where there aren't any. What gets classified as news worthy?

Take a big guess.

 

[Croyles]

Is there a reason why this is such a huge story? For example there are more days in the year in the US where there are mass shootings than those days where there aren't any. What gets classified as news worthy?

Because it is not the USA. Sorry, not trying to be condescending, but you answered your own question.
I'm fairly certain this would also be big news in the USA.

 

[Shiggy]

Is there a reason why this is such a huge story? For example there are more days in the year in the US where there are mass shootings than those days where there aren't any. What gets classified as news worthy?

We rarely have islamist attacks in Germany.

 

[Clockwork5]

Is there a reason why this is such a huge story? For example there are more days in the year in the US where there are mass shootings than those days where there aren't any. What gets classified as news worthy?

Is this really a huge story? Most people here aren't really talking about the event and have just found a new thread to discuss gun control.

Edit: Actually it looks like this story is gaining traction in the international media. It is the kind of horrific incident with a headline that gets clicks.

 

[Lucumo]

That this was a tragic incident, but obviously an individual case, unless there are other indicators.
No sane person should expect that there would be no case of criminal action by refugees (especially after what most of them have been through..), so it should hardly affect the majority.
Of course hardliners and other cunts will argue otherwise, but it's not like they ever made logical arguments, so why should we expect to have one with this case ?

Depends on how the media etc will sell it and the pressure from the public in terms of votes is definitely there.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

But seriously, this is very confusing policy and should be addressed.

Police said at least three suffered severe injuries and 10 to 20 people have what were described as light injuries, but the majority of those suffered from shock and not directly from the attacker.

 

[Sinfamy]

Can you blame the people for being scared? Also imagine how difficult it would pick out the bad seeds hiding within a group of refugees. It's easier to say fuck it, no more refugees. Also not everyone is a refugee, some are immigrants.

You don't need to completely say no more refugees.
But you sure as hell have to screen them one by one, evaluate them, and make sure they don't seem to pose a threat.
Prioritize women and children.
And only allow in refugees from regions in active conflict, if you're not on the list, sorry, you have to go back.

If you can't do these simple things, then you are not keeping your citizens safe, nor other refugees safe with whom there is always inner conflict, and shouldn't be taking in refugees.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Is there a reason why this is such a huge story? For example there are more days in the year in the US where there are mass shootings than those days where there aren't any. What gets classified as news worthy?

I dunno. Strangely it seems that someone shouting and being offensive on a London bus is a bigger and more exciting story than someone going nuts on a train with an axe. Like at this point we expect people to be going on killing sprees in public every day now and it's not even worth reporting.

 

[gutter_trash]

Is there a reason why this is such a huge story? For example there are more days in the year in the US where there are mass shootings than those days where there aren't any. What gets classified as news worthy?

some countries don't have daily shootings or daily murders like in the US,
an axe attack in Germany is out of the ordinary = it is newsworthy

 

[ElTorro]

You don't need to completely say no more refugees.
But you sure as hell have to screen them one by one, evaluate them, and make sure they don't seem to pose a threat.
Prioritize women and children.
And only allow in refugees from regions in active conflict, if you're not on the list, sorry, you have to go back.

If you can't do these simple things, then you are not keeping your citizens safe, nor other refugees safe with whom there is always inner conflict, and shouldn't be taking in refugees.

I don't see this as a refugee problem. Most people this year have not been slaughtered by refugees, they have been slaughtered by brainwashed Islamist fanatics, of which we seem to have a concerning number in Europe and around the world. This is primarily an ideological problem, and it needs to be addressed as one.

 

[Resident_UA]

Germany != USA

In Europe we are not used to people who want to slaughter everyone around them with an axe.

Some guy attacking people on a train with a fucking axe certainly classifies as newsworthy to me. It's certainly not the norm in Europe.

Take a big guess.

Because it is not the USA. Sorry, not trying to be condescending, but you answered your own question.

But even in Germany I'm sure that somebody gets killed almost every day... Looking at the statistics there are about 2 homicides per day on average. It looks to me that race plays a huge factor in how the stories get selected...

 

[Croyles]

I don't see this as a refugee problem. Most people this year have not been slaughtered by refugees. This is primarily an ideological problem, and it needs to be addressed as one.

QFT

But even in Germany I'm sure that somebody gets killed almost every day... Looking at the statistics there are about 2 homicides per day on average. It looks to me that race plays a huge factor in how the stories get selected...

He wielded an axe on a train and from the looks of it clearly tried to murder many people.
Then there is also the possibility that it was another ideological attack. Not that hard to see why it is being reported on.

 

[victreeb3l]

Hopefully all those hurt can recover quickly.

Perp was an Afghani refugee too? Geez. That fucktard just made things so much worse for a lot of people.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

I don't see this as a refugee problem. Most people this year have not been slaughtered by refugees, they have been slaughtered by brainwashed Islamist fanatics, of which we seem to have a concerning number in Europe and around the world. This is primarily an ideological problem, and it needs to be addressed as one.

Yep, most Islamist fanatics have been home-grown citizens, not refugees.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

But even in Germany I'm sure that somebody gets killed almost every day... Looking at the statistics there are about 2 homicides per day on average. It looks to me that race plays a huge factor in how the stories get selected...

OK, find another story from the past week where someone went crazy in a crowded public space in Western Europe and injured 10+ people and it wasn't reported.

 

[Markoman]

Is there a reason why this is such a huge story? For example there are more days in the year in the US where there are mass shootings than those days where there aren't any. What gets classified as news worthy?

Easy answer, because someone from a muslim country has committed the crime. So far Germany has been spared and Germany also faces far less crimes of that sort than the US. They showed a news scroll during a movie and I instantly knew where this is going, because they usually don't do this for every violent crime.

So directly after the movie a news special was shown and in the first minutes it looked like they were beating around the bush until Bavarian interior minister said it was a refugee,

 

[la_briola]

But even in Germany I'm sure that somebody gets killed almost every day... Looking at the statistics there are about 2 homicides per day on average. It looks to me that race plays a huge factor in how the stories get selected...

We had <300 homicides each in 2014 and 2015.

 

[Sec0nd]

But even in Germany I'm sure that somebody gets killed almost every day... Looking at the statistics there are about 2 homicides per day on average. It looks to me that race plays a huge factor in how the stories get selected...

Or well... You know... That it's pretty fucking bonkers that a guy goes around slashing 20 somthing people with a fucking axe in a train.

 

[ElTorro]

But even in Germany I'm sure that somebody gets killed almost every day... Looking at the statistics there are about 2 homicides per day on average. It looks to me that race plays a huge factor in how the stories get selected...

Yes, we have an occasional murder; people who are jealous, people who feel ripped off, people who snap and kill their family because they can't take their lives any longer. But rarely do we have someone who indiscriminately wants to mass-murder as many innocent people as possible with any barbaric means because he thinks that his peers and his god will look favorably upon him for doing so. This is a complexity different level of insanity. And apparently, it is contagious.

To get a feel for the scope of this issue, realize that even the Nazis wanted to hide the holocaust, because they knew that it was such an inhumane and terrible act that even most staunch antisemites could not take it. Conversely, Jihadist propaganda actually is based on killing the other as barbarically as possible. They boast about burning people alive, throwing them from roof tops, having them shot in the head by a kid, and so on.

When somebody actually is attracted by such barbarism and starts to indiscriminately slaughter people by driving over them with a truck, by blowing themselves up in a crowd of innocents, or by shooting at hundreds of gay people, then people will asses such events much differently than yet another case of somebody who shot the guy who fucked his girlfriend.

 

[His Majesty]

Easy answer, because someone from a muslim country has committed the crime. So far Germany has been spared and Germany also faces far less crimes of that sort than the US. They showed a news scroll during a movie and I instantly knew where this is going, because they usually don't do this for every violent crime.

So directly after the movie a news special was shown and in the first minutes it looked like they were beating around the bush until Bavarian interior minister said it was a refugee,

No, a guy going berserk with an axe in a train would be breaking news for any nationality.

 

[Khaz]

Had no idea Germany and France have 30+ guns per 100 people. Thought it would be in the single digits like UK and Holland.

France and Germany have a long tradition of hunting. Most of the guns are hunting rifles, long barrel, only a couple bullets in, etc. Their use is also heavily regulated, you have to keep them locked at home, shouldn't be readily usable when moved, and you need a damn good reason to move them (aka moving to and from the shooting range / hunting area), else you can kiss your permit goodbye forever, along with a significant sum of money and some time behind bars.

 

[Guevara]

Well, thank god all he was able to get his hands on was an ax.

 

[YianGaruga]

But seriously, this is very confusing policy and should be addressed.

why does it matter so much to you? Who cares what the German police counts as injured?

 

[Resident_UA]

OK, find another story from the past week where someone went crazy in a crowded public space in Western Europe and injured 10+ people and it wasn't reported.

How am I going to find it if it wasn't reported. It was my honest reaction even before I saw that attacker was Afghan, especially considering that my twitter feed is pretty much this story (from both US and Ukrainian news media).

 

[Corto]

But even in Germany I'm sure that somebody gets killed almost every day... Looking at the statistics there are about 2 homicides per day on average. It looks to me that race plays a huge factor in how the stories get selected...

You're off the mark completely. This was news on BBC, on Portuguese media and I'm sure other European countries before the attacker was even identified.

 

[Croyles]

No, a guy going berserk with an axe in a train would be breaking news for any nationality.

Yep, you are right.

 

[Dangansona]

Sometimes I wish people would worry as much about this global wave of Islamist attacks, by both groups and individuals, as much as about the rise of the far-right. Maybe by worrying a bit more about it in a rational, objective, and non-inflamatory way, politicians could become electable to those who are voting for far-right demagogues simply because they are scared and see nobody else talking about the elephant in the room.

Add up the victims we had around the world this year and have a look at how this phenomenon manifests culturally and structurally around the world. This phenomenon can not be explained by alleged mental illnesses of a few lunatics.

Agreed. I can't help but think Germany made a huge mistake letting so many refugees in.

 

[Resident_UA]

We had <300 homicides each in 2014 and 2015.

Wikipedia gave me about 700... Maybe I misread it.

Yes, we have an occasional murder; people who are jealous, people who feel ripped off, people who snap and kill their family because they can't take their lives any longer. But rarely do we have someone who indiscriminately wants to mass-murder as many innocent people as possible with any barbaric means because he thinks that his peers and his god will look favorably upon him for doing so. This is a complexity different level of insanity. And apparently, it is contagious.

To get a feel for the scope of this issue, realize that even the Nazis wanted to hide the holocaust, because they knew that it was such an inhumane and terrible act that even most staunch antisemites could not take it. Conversely, Jihadist propaganda actually is based on killing the other as barbarically as possible. They boast about burning people alive, throwing them from roof tops, having them shot in the head by a kid, and so on.

When somebody actually is attracted by such barbarism and starts to indiscriminately slaughter people by driving over them with a truck, by blowing themselves up in a crowd of innocents, or by shooting at hundreds of gay people, then people will asses such events much differently than yet another case of somebody who shot the guy who fucked his girlfriend.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not excusing anything. It's still very fucked up thing and deserves coverage. I just don't see it as a huge international story.

You're off the mark completely. This was news on BBC, on Portuguese media and I'm sure other European countries before the attacker was even identified.

You are right. Not even sure why then... Just for shock value I guess...

 

[Khaz]

Easy answer, because someone from a muslim country has committed the crime. So far Germany has been spared and Germany also faces far less crimes of that sort than the US. They showed a news scroll during a movie and I instantly knew where this is going, because they usually don't do this for every violent crime.

So directly after the movie a news special was shown and in the first minutes it looked like they were beating around the bush until Bavarian interior minister said it was a refugee,

The story broke before anyone knew it involved brown people. a madman with an axe in a train is newsworthy without factoring in a racist agenda.

 

[YianGaruga]

How am I going to find it if it wasn't reported. It was my honest reaction even before I saw that attacker was Afghan, especially considering that my twitter feed is pretty much this story (from both US and Ukrainian news media).

This basically an "amoklauf", where someone kills people randomly with a major intervention by the police. Those are always reported by the (German) media. Lots of other homicides can happen unnoticed and take a while until they are reported. This really isn't as strange as you think.

 

[Croyles]

Agreed. I can't help but think Germany made a huge mistake letting so many refugees in.

That is not what he was talking about though.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

why does it matter so much to you? Who cares what the German police counts as injured?

Because it adds to confusion?

 

[Salty Rice]

Is there a reason why this is such a huge story? For example there are more days in the year in the US where there are mass shootings than those days where there aren't any. What gets classified as news worthy?

Well maybe for the US this is daily news but outside of it this is huge news.

 

[gutter_trash]

You're off the mark completely. This was news on BBC, on Portuguese media and I'm sure other European countries before the attacker was even identified.

Canada here,
both English and French language media are covering it here

 

[Dangansona]

That is not what he was talking about though.

No you're right, that was just a continuation of thoughts I had that are typically not expressed on the liberal side which I fall under and I assume he does too.

I would love to hear the conversations he is talking about had by the left. I feel like I need a reasoned discussion about all of this.

 

[la_briola]

Wikipedia gave me about 700... Maybe I misread it. [...]

google translate:

In 2015, there were in Germany 296 murder victims.


Pictured are the victims of murder in accordance with § 211 of the Criminal Code. Accordingly, the facts of the murder is fulfilled when enabling of bloodlust, the satisfaction of the sexual impulse, out of greed or otherwise base motives, insidiously or cruelly or with means dangerous or another crime or to conceal, one person is killed.

-- http://de.statista.com/statistik/da...rdopfer-in-deutschland-entwicklung-seit-1987/

Maybe the Wikipedia article was not only about homicides?

 

[Zukuu]

Had no idea Germany and France have 30+ guns per 100 people. Thought it would be in the single digits like UK and Holland.

I wonder where that comes from and how they come to that number. Guns are so rare, it's not only that I have never seen one, I don't even know a single person, who has actually seen one live apart from on police officers. That's how rare they are. They don't play a role in daily life at all. You would never expect that anyone you meet has a firearm.

 

[YianGaruga]

Yeah guns are so rare in Germany I would be kind of shocked if I saw one. I don't think I have ever seen one that wasn't attached to a police officer. The 30 / 100 number seems strange

 

[Resident_UA]

google translate:

-- http://de.statista.com/statistik/da...rdopfer-in-deutschland-entwicklung-seit-1987/

Wikipedia has it at 716 for 2014

But either way, my gut reaction was that this is not news worthy aside from shock value. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Ansatz]

But even in Germany I'm sure that somebody gets killed almost every day... Looking at the statistics there are about 2 homicides per day on average. It looks to me that race plays a huge factor in how the stories get selected...

It's fucking scary when innocent civilians are targeted randomly as opposed to some criminal getting shot or campers dying from a bear attack out in the forest, the latter don't pose a threat to you personally so you don't care as much. It's the difference between clicking on the article and not.

In the other examples you can easily avoid putting yourself at risk: don't be a criminal (easy), don't go camping out in the forests (easy). What are you supposed to do against terrorist attacks? Especially trains, people need to use them on a daily basis: it's unavoidable and thus scary.

 

[Croyles]

No you're right, that was just a continuation of thoughts I had that are typically not expressed on the liberal side which I fall under and I assume he does too.

I would love to hear the conversations he is talking about had by the left. I feel like I need a reasoned discussion about all of this.

That's fair.

Yeah guns are so rare in Germany I would be kind of shocked if I saw one. I don't think I have ever seen one that wasn't attached to a police officer. The 30 / 100 number seems strange

For hunting with severe restrictive use.

 

[Tempy]

Wikipedia has it at 716 for 2014

But either way, my gut reaction was that this is not news worthy aside from shock value. Maybe I'm wrong.

If it's not newsworthy, why are you still in this thread?

 

[Salty Rice]

Yeah guns are so rare in Germany I would be kind of shocked if I saw one. I don't think I have ever seen one that wasn't attached to a police officer. The 30 / 100 number seems strange

I think most of that number are dusty hunting weapons in a attic that werent used for decades.

As a german this number sounds kinda crazy.

 

[gutter_trash]

It's fucking scary when innocent civilians are targeted randomly as opposed to some criminal getting shot or campers dying from a bear attack out in the forest, the latter don't pose a threat to you personally so you don't care as much. It's the difference between clicking on the article and not.

uh campers drying from bear attacks is different bro,

bears are at home in their habitat being bears.... it is humans who are being weird by pitching tents inside the bear's natural habitat

#teamBear

 

[Madness]

Wikipedia has it at 716 for 2014

But either way, my gut reaction was that this is not news worthy aside from shock value. Maybe I'm wrong.

Save your thread worthiness for the mods to decide and stop shitting up the thread. A going on an axe rampage injuring upto 20 people isn't newsworthy to you? Where the hell do you live? Especially that it is coming just days aftet the Nice, France terror attack.

 

[Markoman]

The story broke before anyone knew it involved brown people. a madman with an axe in a train is newsworthy without factoring in a racist agenda.

Let's wait how the story unfolds. Do you remember new year's eve cologne and how the German media was beating around the bush for 2 days?

Guys you're cute, do they need to do an autopsy in order to identify the guy's heritage?
That's why everyone is jumping and will be jumping on this story...Nice on friday, now Germany.

I'm saying this without any bias or prejudice.
But yes, this is the bitter reality where a refugee commits a violent crime in Germany.

 

[Corto]

Wikipedia has it at 716 for 2014

But either way, my gut reaction was that this is not news worthy aside from shock value. Maybe I'm wrong.

But to your point though, of course that In Europe considering the last week, and last months violent events, any attack on a public venue/location will certainly gather more attention, as people, police and journalists first reaction will be: "Is it another one?" "Will it escalate or was it just this?". Journalist will then try to identify the attacker, his motivations, police the same, and understand if it was an isolated attack or if there are accomplices still ready to attack, and the public will start contextualize and try to understand what happened as info starts to uncover in real time.