They are not aware of people with life threatening injuries. Heavy injuries but they will apparently make it.
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They are not aware of people with life threatening injuries. Heavy injuries but they will apparently make it.
edit: laaaate
Blackquill
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what a shit week.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Now, imagine that instead of that idiot there was a fully grown-up man, with similar motivations, and a dirty bomb in his backpack.
I know that sounds like fear-mongering, but I'm entirely with ElTorro on this - the problem won't go away by us ignoring it. Actually sane people ignoring the problem (yeah, I know, sounds funny) is what gives the loonies their major power, ergo far-right ultra-nationalistic moods on the rise across Europe.
regarding the 30 weapons per 100 citizens in germany:
afaik professional slingshots (i.e. for anglers / sport fishers) or peppersprays are already counted as a weapon in germany and are added to the 30 / 100 number. Weapon != Gun in germany and a lot is counted as a weapon and requires a license. Owning a slingshot requires you to have the small weapon license. Guns require the "big weapon license".
afaik professional slingshots (i.e. for anglers / sport fishers) or peppersprays are already counted as a weapon in germany and are added to the 30 / 100 number. Weapon != Gun in germany and a lot is counted as a weapon and requires a license. Owning a slingshot requires you to have the small weapon license. Guns require the "big weapon license".
What a terrifying ordeal this must have been for the victims
So happy nobody lost their life in this attack. Between this and the failed Paris-Amsterdam Thalys attack trains seem like a big target for terrorists and would-be terrorists.
everywhere seems like a big target for terrorists...
kruis
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What a terrifying ordeal this must have been for the victims
So happy nobody lost their life in this attack. Between this and the failed Paris-Amsterdam Thalys attack trains seem like a big target for terrorists and would-be terrorists.
Any place where people gather is a potential target for terrorists and would-be terrorists. Stadiums, theaters, cinemas, airports, trains, buses, planes, busy shopping streets, you name it.
So is this the new normal? Terrorist attacks every few days? We've basically become Israel without the security system and prevention methods that might help prevent some of these attacks in place. There is a complete lack of political will to tackle the root causes of these constant attacks, so I don't see them stopping anytime soon.
I'm an EU immigrant in the UK and I hate the idea of Brexit, but the more these attacks happen the more I'm glad I'm on an island with a competent anti-terror system in place and with actual controllable borders. I hate to see my fellow Europeans targeted by these scumbags
I'm an EU immigrant in the UK and I hate the idea of Brexit, but the more these attacks happen the more I'm glad I'm on an island with a competent anti-terror system in place and with actual controllable borders. I hate to see my fellow Europeans targeted by these scumbags
What are the root causes though? It's not that easy to define.
What do you mean by root causes?
I'd start with: misguided immigration policies which encourage isolated communities of people. Said people largely don't share European values, instead sharing very backwards - by local standards - ideals in many areas. In those communities it's easy to take advantage of people who are prone to violent attacks against society.
Extremist islam? There is a very obvious and hard to miss thread running through all these attacks, Orlando, Paris, Nice, Tel Aviv, Istanbul, Tunisia, etc.
As long as extremist mosques can still preach their hatred, Facebook groups are allowed to exist where people celebrate these attacks and uncontrolled immigration can just walk into Europe, we will be attacked. We need to get tough, we won't, and it saddens me.
(and before anyone jumps on me for bagging on refugees, I'm completely for the UK approach of actually taking refugees directly from refugee camps and housing them in the UK while also spending millions on aid for refugees camped near Syria. The vast majority of the refugees will be genuine, but we know there will be terrorists that take advantage of the situation that try to come in. A few months ago on this same forum people were basically run off for even suggesting something like this axe attack would inevitably happen.)
The bottom line is extremist Islam is completely incompatible with western values, so Sharia should be outright banned. It's a fragile and shallow form of Islam that is easily perversed.
I didn't mean that gif as sarcasm to you
Just an expression of how unsurprised everyone is, even if they feel it might be offensive to say so.Orniletter
Banned
Seriously.
Look no further than this to realize how valuable strong gun regulations really are. He would have been able to commit a massacre in the USA.
Even then, if you really want a gun in Germany, it's not terribly difficult. Illegal guns from the Balkan states are readily available if you know the right people. This guy was simply not well connected and did not prepare a larger assault.
Fortinbras
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IS responsible according German media
http://mobil.ksta.de/panorama/axt-a...ll-offenbar-is-kaempfer-gewesen-sein-24418674
EDIT: IS claims responsibility.
http://mobil.ksta.de/panorama/axt-a...ll-offenbar-is-kaempfer-gewesen-sein-24418674
EDIT: IS claims responsibility.
Frankfurter
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So is this the new normal? Terrorist attacks every few days? We've basically become Israel without the security system and prevention methods that might help prevent some of these attacks in place. There is a complete lack of political will to tackle the root causes of these constant attacks, so I don't see them stopping anytime soon.
I'm an EU immigrant in the UK and I hate the idea of Brexit, but the more these attacks happen the more I'm glad I'm on an island with a competent anti-terror system in place and with actual controllable borders. I hate to see my fellow Europeans targeted by these scumbags
But the UK is actually one of the few european countries that has seen a massive terrorist attack since 09/11...
*IS claims responsibility.
Mr. Giggles
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He was a sympathetic to the IS, they found a hand drawn flag.... Wouldn't count that as an ISIS cell, more like another lone wolf
TanookiTom
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Crazy to imagine that he came here when he was just 15 years old and had recently been living in a foster family, according to the media. Apparently only youth with good integration records are getting this option. Wonder about his motives, but now we may never find out. Sad story, and I am afraid is not going to remain the last like this.
kruis
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Any group preaching the Salafist version of Islam should be banned. No ifs and when.
Yeah I realize that unfortunately. Walking around Paris these last few days it's nerve wracking to see all the "soft targets" that a madman could so easily hit with zero preparation or assistance.
It just seems like it's just a question of time before a massacre happens on some train somewhere. I hope it doesn't. I hope daesh gets pummeled so hard that their aura and seduction power among unstable young Muslims vanishes. I don't think these dudes would go on a rampage in the name of AQAP or AQIM or Al Shabaab, they're too regional.
Yeah, sounds more like this nail bomb incident and the one thing were this girl attacked a police man with a knife, not a full grown cell.
kruis
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MrS
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Freezie KO
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Pretty much. ISIS just happens to be good at the internet. If you get rid of ISIS, there are tons of other Islamist groups out there (some of which are fighting against ISIS).
I think their message has been amplified by their military success and conquests in Iraq and Syria. If they were just one of many middle-sized Salafi groups like Al Nosrah fighting Bashar in Syria I doubt a Tunisian delivery man living in Nice would be compelled to kill on their behalf.
I'm not saying destroying daesh would be the end of Islamic terrorism, I'm saying it would reduce the number of deaths throughout the world for some time.
Funky Papa
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While concerns about mass immigration are valid, a couple of isolated incidents out of millions of refugees is the very definition of remote. Bro.
michaelius
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What a terrifying ordeal this must have been for the victims
So happy nobody lost their life in this attack. Between this and the failed Paris-Amsterdam Thalys attack trains seem like a big target for terrorists and would-be terrorists.
Not suprising - it's literary big metal coffin with no way out once it starts travelling at high speed.
HughJanuss
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Get
Rekt.
Im not making this post to make fun of people or to enjoy myself, I just find it annoying that some people here are purposely burying their head in the sand and act surprised every single time.
Its a fair assumption to make, why not just accept it and move on?
Imp the Dimp
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IS claiming responsibility is meaningless honestly. They may or may not be involved but I would advise anyone to wait on medical reports on this man's mental state.
thetrin
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Statistically, things are WAY better than they used to be. We just didn't know how much was going on.
I agree that the main parties need to address the elephant in the room. Unfortunately I don't see a rationale discussion successful, because the populist parties can always promise more than can be actually done and they will always have the upper hand in that. So it always ends up in a black and white discussion when the problem is rather grey.
That's also true, but some tens of years of peace and ignoring the rest of the world (and the rest of Europe in some cases) made the human race look better than it really is. At least in European eyes.
Mr. Giggles
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Who are you kidding, this is exactly why you made this post.... "Get Rekt" sounds like something a 17 year old a would say
To the rest of your post, we don't jump to conclusions because until it can be validated it's just ripe for bullshit to spread
michaelius
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This was just one teenager radicalised after he moved to Europe - I wonder how many fully trained ISIS fighters infiltrated EU borders during last year when noone was controlling them among real refugees.
BrassDragon
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For nuance, there are thousands of people across the EU working overtime to stop these attacks and you rarely hear about their successes while very failure is instant world news. With lone wolves, the interventions aren't flashy or notable - getting someone proper healthcare or hooking him up with his estranged family, stuff like that.
Can we do more? Sure. Always. And yeah, politicians could definitely be more helpful with legislation, treaties, manpower and budget. I don't see how focusing on religion is going to help in a practical, workable sense.
But take it from a professional, we're not taking this threat lying down. We live here too.
Ragnar Blackmane
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This. If we looked at the numbers there's probably more refugees that got killed by firebombing of their shelters than Germans that got killed by refugees.
ISIS doesn't need to do that besides for propaganda value, they have plenty home-grown terrorists and lone wolves in the UK, France, Belgium and Germany. If they want to get more fighters into Europe then there's plenty more efficient methods (like, you know, by plane). Kinda hard to carry out terrorist attacks if half your crew is still stuck at the Macedonian border after months, now is it?
ClosingADoor
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Firebombing refugees? Did I miss something here.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/27/world/europe/germany-migrant-arson-trial.html
And other similar incidents.
Didn't the Nice attacker also have mental health issues?
Wouldn't be too surprised if the Isis fucks specifically prey on/"inspire" the weakest to make them stuff like this.
ClosingADoor
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Ah, I now about those. But I haven't read about anyone being killed in them. Hope there aren't.
Imp the Dimp
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I'm not 100% up to date, but frankly, if I see incomprehensible acts of violence like these, I do question people's mental health. Chances are, neither attacker had actual ties to ISIS and acted on his own. As I said, ISIS claiming responsibility is meaningless until the connection can be verified. Proclaiming tonight's attack an act of terror is a little premature in my opinion. It is vital that this young man's medical history gets reviewed.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
ISIS essentially caters the thug type. Many ISIS grunts in Syria and other countries aren't even particularly religious, but violent assholes and hardened criminals looking to earn some cash (yes, ISIS offers salaries as a recruiting tool, not just virgins) while terrorising people.
Many of them march towards the battlelines only to discover that they are not made for that life, so they either return to their homes even more fucked up or die in the process. The rest get actually radicalised along the way.
They also have this weird, troubling message that seems to be working among some outcasts and petty criminals. "Make a difference by killing every infidel who bothers you and you'll be rewarded in the afterlife" seems like an easy way out for desperate low life characters who otherwise would just quietly blow their heads off at home or die from alcohol/drug abuse.
Many of them march towards the battlelines only to discover that they are not made for that life, so they either return to their homes even more fucked up or die in the process. The rest get actually radicalised along the way.
They also have this weird, troubling message that seems to be working among some outcasts and petty criminals. "Make a difference by killing every infidel who bothers you and you'll be rewarded in the afterlife" seems like an easy way out for desperate low life characters who otherwise would just quietly blow their heads off at home or die from alcohol/drug abuse.
Ragnar Blackmane
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That it took ISIS more than a day to claim responsibility after Nice pretty much says it all. I'm surprised that Al Quaida didn't put out a claim as well just for the sake of it. You can bet if I was to look up ISIS propaganda for 5 minutes, take a kitchen knife, run outside and try to stab people while screaming "Allah is great", you bet ISIS would claim responsibility even if there wasn't much of a real connection.
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