Simply Sarah
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How prevalent is CTE in non-football player brains?
For non-athletes, non-military I believe it's almost nonexistent.
How prevalent is CTE in non-football player brains?
Do we not autopsy enough other people to know?We don't know that.
wat
If you don't know the baseline how can you know if playing football is worse than anything else?
Forgot the "out of 91" in your title.
The most damning thing in this article is the bit about how the lineman are more vulnerable. How do you change the game so that they are better protected?
For non-athletes, non-military I believe it's almost nonexistent.
Try reading, you might actually learn something and get surprised
rofl you're a joke.
you sound like someone trying to deny climate change.
No, I'm actually viewing this as a scientist, and not someone trying to sensationalize an issue to promote an agenda. Pretending that the NFL is ignoring this issue is blatantly false.
Dude, the logic in your argument sounds like "people who don't smoke get lung cancer, so smoking must not cause lung cancer.".
No, I'm actually viewing this as a scientist, and not someone trying to sensationalize an issue to promote an agenda. Pretending that the NFL is ignoring this issue is blatantly false.
From 2003 to 2009, for example, the NFL’s now disbanded Mild Traumatic Brain Injury Committee concluded in a series of scientific papers that “no NFL player” had experienced chronic brain damage from repeat concussions, and that “Professional football players do not sustain frequent repetitive blows to the brain on a regular basis.”
Pretending that the NFL is ignoring this issue is blatantly false.
This is a solved problem guys.
No, I'm actually viewing this as a scientist, and not someone trying to sensationalize an issue to promote an agenda. Pretending that the NFL is ignoring this issue is blatantly false.
Not really relevant if we're testing the danger of playing football.
huh?
We are comparing a highly flawed study with.....nothing. And using that extremely flawed comparison to come to conclusions.
We have no baseline for CTE in an average Joe. The degree to which any activity increases the likelihood for negative outcomes is fundamentally important to the discussion around the safety of said activity.
Between 2008 and 2010, the bodies of twelve former professional American football players underwent postmortem evaluations for CTE, and all of them showed evidence of the disease, indicating a conservatively estimated prevalence rate of 3.7% among professional football players if no other players who died during this period had CTE.[28]
Bennet Omalu, a forensic pathologist and neuropathologist in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, found CTE in the brains of Mike Webster, Terry Long, Andre Waters, Justin Strzelczyk, and Tom McHale.[27] Omalu, in 2012 a medical examiner and associate adjunct professor in California, was a co-founder of BIRI[27] and reportedly in 2012 participated in the autopsy of Junior Seau.[26] Omalu's participation was halted during the autopsy after Junior Seau's son revoked previously provided oral permission after he received telephone calls from NFL management denouncing Omalu's professional ethics, qualifications, and motivation.
From the article
NFL doctor says CTE is being over-exaggerated
Also don't forget you're the one who said "Solved problem" which means you didn't read the article and you don't understand what CTE actually is.
I for one trust the unbiased conclusions of this man with an NFL avatar.It's solved to the greatest degree in which it can be solved by the NFL. Like I said, people aren't going to stop playing football and the NFL isn't going to become flag football. Also, no one understands what CTE is or what actually causes it. That article and the study it references is committing one of the most basic sins of any scientific study: self-selection bias. It's conclusions are bullshit.
It's solved to the greatest degree in which it can be solved by the NFL. Like I said, people aren't going to stop playing football and the NFL isn't going to become flag football. Also, no one understands what CTE is or what actually causes it. That article and the study it references is committing one of the most basic sins of any scientific study: self-selection bias. It's conclusions are bullshit.
Actual Science and Data said:The nation's largest youth football program, Pop Warner, saw participation drop 9.5 percent between 2010-12, a sign that the concussion crisis that began in the NFL is having a dramatic impact at the lowest rungs of the sport.
According to data provided to "Outside the Lines," Pop Warner lost 23,612 players, thought to be the largest two-year decline since the organization began keeping statistics decades ago. Consistent annual growth led to a record 248,899 players participating in Pop Warner in 2010; that figure fell to 225,287 by the 2012 season.
Pop Warner officials said they believe several factors played a role in the decline, including the trend of youngsters focusing on one sport. But the organization's chief medical officer, Dr. Julian Bailes, cited concerns about head injuries as "the No. 1 cause."
"Unless we deal with these truths, we're not going to get past the dropping popularity of the sport and people dropping out of the sport," said Bailes, a former Pittsburgh Steelers neurosurgeon whose 10-year-old son, Clint, plays Pop Warner outside Chicago. "We need to get it right."
I think Hand Egg will severely decline as a middle/high school sport within the next 20 years due to safety concerns.
It's solved to the greatest degree in which it can be solved by the NFL. Like I said, people aren't going to stop playing football and the NFL isn't going to become flag football. Also, no one understands what CTE is or what actually causes it. That article and the study it references is committing one of the most basic sins of any scientific study: self-selection bias. It's conclusions are bullshit.
Just think about all the non-famous football players who lived their lives before CTE was known and died. You have decades of players systematically ignored, and we are now starting to get the brains of past NFL players which are showing a highly consistent pattern of brain damage that's main cause is from repetitive head to head contact, and a high percentage of the overall samples showing CTE development.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy
It's only nonexistent because no one test for it as it can only be tested for posthumously.
You do realize that this isn't some new concept, right? There is a lot to still learn about it and we don't have exact numbers or rates, but the fact that repetitive trauma to the brain is involved in causing it is one of the things that seems pretty clear. Which isn't to say such trauma by itself is sufficient, that's not clear, but only that it appears to be necessary.
Are you saying that was a "one time thing" for both those players?
I'm speaking to the methodology of the study, not the disease.
Unfortunately, until they can figure out a proper way to conclusively diagnosis it before death it's going to be hard to study many facets of it. This is an admitted shortcoming in what we know about it and I feel that what studies are doing now is about as much as they can given what we know. They know there are weaknesses in the methodology but it's what they have to work with.
Actually we do have a general understanding of what causes CTE and what it is, the issue is getting more samples and increasing the amount of positive case numbers to show how large the issue is.
You sound like a child and far from an actual scientist in defending the NFL. You're moving the goalpost every time you open your mouth to support a league that makes billions and actively cover ups their involvement and responsibility for the suffrage of hundreds, if not thousands of players who knew nothing about degenerative brain injuries up until extremely recently.
No, you're the one who sounds like someone with an ax to grind. CTE isn't a new thing, we've known about it for nearly a century, when it was associated primarily with boxing. Getting new samples from people who suspect they have it doesn't promote our scientific understanding of what causes it. It does however, promote the agenda of people who want to crucify the NFL.
The NFL has a concussion protocol, spent millions on research to improve equipment while collaborating with the military, and implemented rule changes which reduce the number of collisions per game. What have hockey, UFC, and NASCAR done? What has society at large done? Pinning CTE on one league from one sport does nothing to help diagnose it or limit it's impact.
You know, sometimes I wonder if those head slaps their own teammates give them after a player makes a big play contribute much. After reading the quoted above, I'm going to assume yes.Forty percent of those who tested positive were the offensive and defensive linemen who come into contact with one another on every play of a game, according to numbers shared by the brain bank with FRONTLINE. That finding supports past research suggesting that its the repeat, more minor head trauma that occurs regularly in football that may pose the greatest risk to players, as opposed to just the sometimes violent collisions that cause concussions.
Can you respond to ONE of the statistics I've posted?
Not surprised.
No, you're the one who sounds like someone with an ax to grind. CTE isn't a new thing, we've known about it for nearly a century, when it was associated primarily with boxing. Getting new samples from people who suspect they have it doesn't promote our scientific understanding of what causes it. It does however, promote the agenda of people who want to crucify the NFL.
For non-athletes, non-military I believe it's almost nonexistent.
Forgot the "out of 91" in your title.
The most damning thing in this article is the bit about how the lineman are more vulnerable. How do you change the game so that they are better protected?
No, u mad?
No, you can't. You can only assure us that it's very popular right now.As a resident of the South, I can assure you, High School football is not going anywhere.
The fact that the study is fundamentally flawed and completely non-actionable renders it essentially useless as a measure of how dangerous football is.
I'm sure they learned tons of other super useful stuff though, so I'm not saying it wasn't worthwhile.