Massive Duck. C.M.
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If it wasn't for educated racists, institutional racism wouldn't be as strong.
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A black man went undercover online as a white supremacist. This is what he learned
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If it wasn't for educated racists, institutional racism wouldn't be as strong.
Zen_Arcade
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Of course they can. If that were true there would be no successful racists.
All it means is that they're not properly educated on issues of race. Being ignorant of one subject and things related to it doesn't mean you're an idiot about everything else too.
Mammoth Jones
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I've seen racists from all social and economic backgrounds. And I've seen kind loving people from the same backgrounds.
I've seen "dumb" people with the kindness and heart of saints and the smartest meanest bigots.
I've seen "dumb" people with the kindness and heart of saints and the smartest meanest bigots.
But have you seen an elephant fly?
Emperor_Uriel
Member
This is such a core part of the problem.
Judgmental, hyper-critical assholes have been empowered to unprecedented levels in a nation where "Fuck you I got mine" and "It's not enough that I succeed, others must fail" are becoming the dominant mantras.
Troll culture that derives pleasure from spreading hate and depression, uptight communities where fear and profiling are cornerstones, each generation becoming more antisocial and less loving than the last...
Until "treat others as you want to be treated" gains traction and "succeed at any cost, control as much as possible" falls by the wayside, we'll be heading towards ruin.
In the last two days I have seen a couple blonde white women (some fox and friends person and a lady from Duck Dynasty on CNN) literally start blubbering on TV about this past couple weeks. The thing about their fake crying is its not about the state of racism or the position minorities are in with racism, the hate and systematic racism they themselves participate in by voting the way they do. No, they were both blubbering because they wanted the attention, they wanted to be seen as victims "I feel like anything I say will make me seem like a racist" "Seeing these people out there representing conservatives disturbs me" , "they don't represent the values of Jesus". None of these people, even the very fine ones, even the #notallofus republicans/trump supporters, NONE of them ever have any contribution or anything to say about actually doing something about racism. Its always about the perception in relation to themselves and the party they are associated with. It always comes back to being more concerned with being called a racist then their actual actions.
This is probably the first thread I purposely didn't read and went straight to reply. The thread title upset me so much that I can't read the OP. I read this as "man touch hot stove and this is what he learned...".
I don't care about what a white supremacist thinks, i dont care what they believe, and i dont care about how they feel. If it was up to me, white supremacists would go on a registry just like pedophiles.
The only thing we need to know about white supremacists is who they are and how to avoid them.
Sorry if this off topic, Im refusing to read the OP because its so disgusting to me as a person of color.
I don't care about what a white supremacist thinks, i dont care what they believe, and i dont care about how they feel. If it was up to me, white supremacists would go on a registry just like pedophiles.
The only thing we need to know about white supremacists is who they are and how to avoid them.
Sorry if this off topic, Im refusing to read the OP because its so disgusting to me as a person of color.
The alt-right is like the regular right, but with 80% less religious fundamentalism (atheist friendly), a heaping dose of internet savvy, memes everywhere, and a dash of edgelord. Aside from that, they're basically the same.
ebullientprism
Member
This problem of people being locked into their own echo chambers (as I type from my own) is a problem we will have to face at some point if we want to fix a lot of these problems.
Tech giants need to start taking responsibility. It is FAR more damaging than fake news.
Edit I see the thread is taking its typical path. Even if you dont like the part about understanding racists, you should still watch the video. There are other ideas there worth discussing.
Tech giants need to start taking responsibility. It is FAR more damaging than fake news.
Edit I see the thread is taking its typical path. Even if you dont like the part about understanding racists, you should still watch the video. There are other ideas there worth discussing.
RedAssedApe
Banned
still not sure why he had to go uncover for this
Yeah I mean you can easily browse Yahoo or YouTube comments on literally any topic and find the same stuff
This is like a South Park episode where Cartman goes undercover to discover something that's painfully obvious and easy to find
" as I entrenched myself deeper into the culture, I began to realize that they were in fact, stupid"
Rushersauce
Banned
Most racists are scum and pretty stupid. The thing that cracks me, is that they think they are enlightened and shit. Lol.
I read a YouTube comment that said Spain conquered the Mayans and Aztecs with only 100 men and no casualties. Obviously, the one who commented that, was posting "whites are superior" stuff beforehand.
I read a YouTube comment that said Spain conquered the Mayans and Aztecs with only 100 men and no casualties. Obviously, the one who commented that, was posting "whites are superior" stuff beforehand.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
This is true as all hell
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
I'm surprised he had to go undercover for this lol. Some of their boards are very public lol but I guess hey, do what you need to lol
This, its that need for someone to want to feel like the real victim to deflect from their truly shitty political & social beliefs. Its always rich when you have TV personalities whom built their career on generalizing & demonizing other human beings bring confronted with the feeling of being generalized & demonized.
Also...
I know of at least one of the clips your talking about.
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
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Loads of lost cause rhetoric in this thread when you can also find stories like Daryl Davis' out there. Not everyone who falls into the trap is lost forever.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...cidental-courtesy_us_585c250de4b0de3a08f495fc
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ce-persuade-chicago-daryl-davis-a7489596.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-black-blues-musician-who-befriended-the-kkk
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...cidental-courtesy_us_585c250de4b0de3a08f495fc
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ce-persuade-chicago-daryl-davis-a7489596.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-black-blues-musician-who-befriended-the-kkk
I don't like people throwing up Daryl Davis every time this discussion happens. Cause minorities have enough on their plate without advocating for their humanity door to door. It would be way more effective if folks started calling out their racist uncles, mothers, grandmothers, cousins, etc.
The Hermit
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The discovery is that they are not unredeemable monsters, just very dumb people
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
Member
His story works best when viewed as a local one though. These people aren't unsalvageable like some people in this thread are suggesting but that work needs to happen from the bottom up, like you say.
Mammoth Jones
Member
I hate this narrative because it's almost like the onus is on the lovable Black person to see past the fact that dudes want to see him and his family forceably removed from America (fataly if required) for a White ethno-state to love past their bigotry and hatred to change their hearts.
Fuck that. I can't be their magical negro.
Problem is I see these dumb fucking memes like that's the way Black people should deal with things instead of movements like BLM. On each again the onus is on us to convince motherfuckers we are human beings.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Sometimes I wish this dude never made the news. Non-black people severely underestimate the time, risk, and energy required to sit down and talk with ONE racist, let alone hundreds.
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
Member
BTW his story is exceptional but replace him with a white dude in a generic scenario. Point is, if he can change these people someone with way better initial inroads can too. Violence and aggression (and let's be honest most antifa are white) are not the only option.
Agreed, at the end of the day they're either terrorists or terrorist apologists, it just so happens these bigots hate is directed at minorities for the most part.
The people that need to do the work to educate these assholes are those closest to them. The onus is not on the victims to change the behaviour of the abusers.
Even then you might only get "one of the good ones" status
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Nothing new. Racists and bigots are extremely stupid by their very nature. No amount of scientific progress will completely eliminate racism. A thousand years from now we may have faster than light travel, have human colonies on exo-planets, and still have racist bigots that think that black people are subhuman and gays should be murdered. There is no limit to human stupidity. Stupid people need bigotry to feel that their miserable lives are worth living.
Who said that?
Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
Honestly, in general, people break shit off with their family before they give the beliefs up.
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
Member
I probably shouldn't have said violence since that's a separate but connected topic. But when it comes to approach, Davis' methods work just as well (probably better) if you are indeed already part of the targets circle (family and friends). Aggressively chastising and doing all-or-nothing disownments, and other suggested verbal tactics, only feeds into the problem rather than solve it.
I think if a random black dude can unconvert KKK members, the non-racist friends or family of alt-righters can do the same with much less risk involved.
and that goes a long way into why the shit continues. People will let shit slide because it is what a person close to them believes and to call that belief out is to call that person out.
Feels like its way past the day and age where you should have to win hearts and minds on this.
We should know better by now. People who practice and preach racist beliefs should be made an example of more often.
Getting kind of tired of being tolerant of intolerance at this point in my life. I don't want to be their buddy, I don't want to be their friend. I shouldn't have to sit down and teach basic human empathy to anybody.
We should know better by now. People who practice and preach racist beliefs should be made an example of more often.
Getting kind of tired of being tolerant of intolerance at this point in my life. I don't want to be their buddy, I don't want to be their friend. I shouldn't have to sit down and teach basic human empathy to anybody.
Keep us updated on when they get on that.
And then what? My dad says racist shit all the time. We've all told him to cut the shit, he doesn't. Am I supposed to punch him in the face and call him a nazi? He's still my father...
The premise is, of course, completely ridiculous, but if we pretend for a moment that it's true it's still completely fucked that they think people "inferior" to them don't deserve to be treated with respect and empathy.
I'm reminded of a quote from Star Trek IV.
This all just further confirms that these racist people are sociopathic assholes.
King Tubby
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Of course the comment section of the video linked is flooded with alt-right trolls speaking in barely coded language outright borrowed from Nazi Germany.
My two brothers are scumbags, I don't want them in my life and actively avoid them.
Being family isn't a get out of a jail free card. But I understand how it can be different for some people and can't just emotionally shut people out like that. Myself, I'm not all that close to members of my family outside of my mother and one cousin. The rest burned too many bridges.
Hell just saying "that shit is racist" is more then i expect. Maybe if they hear enough it might spark some introspection
More to the point, I think, you still have educated people and liberals practicing Reiki, buying Goop, and refusing to vaccinate their kids. Chiropractic care is still a thing. When the human mind wants to go along with something it'll play itself like a fiddle to do so. Even if you discarded phrenology there's still updated pseudoscience that's out there to tell you about how inferior nonwhites are, waiting to fall unto the fertile soil of a ready mind that wants to believe it.
At least with the few family-of-friends where this response is applicable, it really hasn't worked. I'm fortunate that I've never been put in that position with my immediate family (my grandmother was the one telling me about how she realized some of her near and dear friends were pretty racist recently) but I think at some point you have to go nuclear and threaten to cut them off from you or their grandkids to have much effect, at least in getting them to stop flippantly saying terrible stuff like that.
That's the weirdest part of his talk to me. Of course they think you're intellectually inferior, because if they buy into that everything else falls into place. I can't think of any racist position that would evolve independently from that idea, because it's how they can defend all their actions.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
You honestly can't think of anything other than "punch him in the face and call him a nazi"
They don't, that's the problem. They're not shy about telling others to do it for them, though.
I don't like how that is becoming a thing Blacks + talk about racism = somebody getting punched.
Shit if that was a thing white america would have committed a second trail of tears, except black people would have been lead to an open grave
……forgetit
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Youtube comments are cancer
Fixed it for you!
Man I remember one time where I clicked the wrong Google search and ended up on a neo nazi fourm. It was bizzare just reading about what they talk about and what they believe in. I at one point wanted to do what they guy in the article did and spy on them, but I was young and had no proxy setup knowledge.
Sparrowhawk
Member
Yep, unfortunately, there are too many educated racists.
Dude Abides
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Then get on that shit. Report back in a few months with all the racists you convert.
LifEndz
Member
The NY Times does a daily podcast (titled the Daily) and they did a show this week or last where the host interviewed a man who grew up in a white supremacist household but has since abandoned that ideology. Really fascinating and downright heartbreaking to hear about people who grow up with this nonsense and still believe in erroneous science as a basis for whites being a "superior" race. Definitely worth a listen. He talked at length abou how white supremacists are now running for public office using many of the fundamental points of the KKK to appeal to white voters while keeping secret their affiliation with a white supremacists group such as the KKK.