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Dead said:
Its behavior that is in line with who the character is in the comic book.

It just sort of clashes with what the movie is trying to portray the girl as...which is a 100% wish fulfillment character.

It doesn't clash with the character at all. Again, it doesn't matter if that aspect is in line with the character in the comic because a girl dating a trashy guy doesn't mean she also is. The two are unrelated. In the movie, she's a nice girl who dated a piece of shit guy and dumped him because of that. What's the issue?
 
The issue is that the movie's set up is the same as the comic, and then the movie proceeds to change the base character completely in the most unconvincing manner possible.

The whole scene of the 2 characters getting together is so awful, it really is as if the whole scene is a dream sequence.

I probably would have liked it more had I not read the comic, but the hollywoodization of the story is to the extent that I wonder why they bothered to adapt a Mark fucking Millar comic at all. (and this is even more hilarious considering that the movie was essentially made out of hollywood)
 
Yeah, I agree, in the movie they made her into the attracted to the 'damaged/lost soul' type, and you don't really see the 'courtship', and what game Rasul put on her lol. And ultimately this attraction to damaged males, makes her forgiving Kick-Ass plausible. Wish fulfillment, sure, but that is the point of the move (nerd makes it good) and the comic (self loathing nerd love/hate feelings about their empty lives).
 
Dead said:
The issue is that the movie's set up is the same as the comic, and then the movie proceeds to change the base character completely in the most unconvincing manner possible.

The whole scene of the 2 characters getting together is so awful, it really is as if the whole scene is a dream sequence.

But that isn't an "issue". It's okay that the plot was changed in parts. And of course that scene was like a dream sequence. He got with his dream girl. Why is that awful? That scene was sweet and they still made him act awkward during it.
 
Dead said:
It would be okay if it was changed well.

The love story, jetpack, etc. Awful.

And again, I don't see what was wrong with the love story at all. It was changed just fine.

You act as if there's some form of realism to the love story in the comic. That whole gay plot was COMPLETELY unrealistic. In the movie, she is set up to be a nice and caring girl. It makes sense she would forgive him for helping people while wearing a costume on a daily basis, no?

And the jetpack was no less silly/stupid than the entire character of Hit Girl in the comic. You say it feels like they moved away from the feeling of the comic halfway through the movie, yet that is what the comic itself did.
 
Dead said:
If they had changed 100% of all of Katies story in the movie, it might have played better.

But in the film, shes still a girl who goes out with a Coke dealing Thug...that is something that better feeds into the comic story, where she is very much a trashy person.

wait, in the comic Katie wasnt dating the Thug, wasnt it some random person who works at a salon or something?
 
The whole point of Kick Ass was that it was a trashy, morally bankrupt rag. The aspects that the movie changes just make you wonder why they adapted it at all.
 
omg rite said:
And again, I don't see what was wrong with the love story at all. It was changed just fine.

You act as if there's some form of realism to the love story in the comic. That whole gay plot was COMPLETELY unrealistic. In the movie, she is set up to be a nice and caring girl. It makes sense she would forgive him for helping people while wearing a costume on a daily basis, no?

And the jetpack was no less silly/stupid than the entire character of Hit Girl in the comic. You say it feels like they moved away from the feeling of the comic halfway through the movie, yet that is what the comic itself did.

^ whats unrealistic about the gay plot in the comic? girls have gay best friends in high school. its believable that one would lie about it to get close. whats not really believable is the girl being okay with it
 
Dead said:
The whole point of Kick Ass was that it was a trashy, morally bankrupt rag. The aspects that the movie changes just make you wonder why they adapted it at all.

Okay, now you're just being ridiculous. No, the fact that he ends up with his love interest instead of her sending him a picture of herself blowing another guy does not make me question why they adapted it.

Come on now.
 
Ashhong said:
^ whats unrealistic about the gay plot in the comic? girls have gay best friends in high school. its believable that one would lie about it to get close. whats not really believable is the girl being okay with it
Pretty much.

They turned an Anti-wish fulfillment story into one that is purely wish-fulfillment.
 
Ashhong said:
^ whats unrealistic about the gay plot in the comic? girls have gay best friends in high school. its believable that one would lie about it to get close. whats not really believable is the girl being okay with it

That's NOT believable! That's the plot of a sitcom. It doesn't happen in real life. :lol

Dead said:
Pretty much.

They turned an Anti-wish fulfillment story into one that is purely wish-fulfillment.

And I see nothing wrong with that. I feel it works better that way. The comic pretends to be a realistic take while the fact is, there's nothing realistic about it after the first issue. At all. The movie takes the same approach.

Him not getting the girl in the comic doesn't somehow make the story any less ridiculous than it is.
 
Dead said:
Pretty much.

They turned an Anti-wish fulfillment story into one that is purely wish-fulfillment.

the difference is that we never see Katie as a bitch in the movie, as opposed to the comic. so while its still pretty ridiculous, its slightly more believable that way. so at least they changed that accordingly

omg rite said:
That's NOT believable! That's the plot of a sitcom. It doesn't happen in real life. :lol

nah man! the point is that a girl COULD be fooled by a straight guy pretending to be gay. it could happen if the guy was desperate enough
 
Ashhong said:
nah man! the point is that a girl COULD be fooled by a straight guy pretending to be gay.

You honestly think that in high school, a guy could fool a girl into thinking he is gay for more than like, a day? :lol

I promise, girls aren't that dumb. Really.
 
Well to be fair I am sure she only takes him back because he his Kick Ass. I am not sure if they do the same in the comic, but in the movie, he is pretty much built up to be the shit by the public (including Katie), so it did have appeal. I agree that the love story was like a nerd's wet dream, but so was the entire movie- having said that it still is pretty trashy and morally bankrupt.
 
omg rite said:
You honestly think that in high school, a guy could fool a girl into thinking he is gay for more than like, a day? :lol

I promise, girls aren't that dumb. Really.

its not like i know from experience, but i dont see why not? all it showed us was him being nice and listening to her. i mean its not like actual gay people dress in drag or something in HS, they are normal kids! they do everything the same.

if a rumor goes around that someone is gay, and then he pretty much confirms it, then i only see 1 way for the plan to not work, and thats if he got a boner around her or something. speaking of which, i would have been revealed immediately while putting tanning lotion on her :lol

oh also, they didnt mention it in the movie really, but didnt ppl think he was prostituting? thats why he was found naked and all? seems believable given the circumstances honestly. she doesnt have to be stupid to believe it. does a girl need to see a gay person perform gay acts before its ok to believe hes gay or something?

DaMan121 said:
Well to be fair I am sure she only takes him back because he his Kick Ass. I am not sure if they do the same in the comic, but in the movie, he is pretty much built up to be the shit by the public (including Katie), so it did have appeal. I agree that the love story was like a nerd's wet dream, but so was the entire movie- having said that it still is pretty trashy and morally bankrupt.

i remember him being outside her window as KickAss, but i dont remember if he actually reveals himself to her...dont think he does
 
DaMan121 said:
Well to be fair I am sure she only takes him back because he his Kick Ass. I am not sure if they do the same in the comic, but in the movie, he is pretty much built up to be the shit by the public (including Katie), so it did have appeal. I agree that the love story was like a nerd's wet dream, but so was the entire movie- having said that it still is pretty trashy and morally bankrupt.

Yeah, he lied about being gay but the guy admitted he was going around kicking the ass of criminals for the past couple months. That's could perhaps have a little leeway with a girl.

The movie was still trashy. So the lead character got to have his dream girl in the end. Doesn't really change all that much other than at the end, we don't think "what a sorry piece of shit". And I liked it that way.
 
omg rite said:
You honestly think that in high school, a guy could fool a girl into thinking he is gay for more than like, a day? :lol

I promise, girls aren't that dumb. Really.
Yes, guys can. And it doesn't have to mean the girls are dumb.
 
Ashhong said:
^ whats unrealistic about the gay plot in the comic? girls have gay best friends in high school. its believable that one would lie about it to get close. whats not really believable is the girl being okay with it

What's unbelievable is that a boy would hold up with that pretense for an extended period of time, much less do activities such as home tanning while still pretending to be gay. Remember, this is a character we first meet jacking off to pictures of large-breasted African tribeswoman - if he's that horny I doubt he could survive the tanning session without getting some sort of boner.

Dead said:
I probably would have liked it more had I not read the comic, but the hollywoodization of the story is to the extent that I wonder why they bothered to adapt a Mark fucking Millar comic at all. (and this is even more hilarious considering that the movie was essentially made out of hollywood)

That's essentially the direct antithesis to what happened during this movie's production. Not only did Mark Millar work closely alongside Mathew Vaughn during the film's production (and, in fact, Bid Daddy's back-story in the film was the back story that Millar first conceived for the character), but Vaughn went to all the major Hollywood film studios, and was promptly rejected by all of them before deciding to self-finance the film himself.

So the claim that "Hollywood butchered my beloved comic genius!" is pretty much empty.

Edit: Sorry, I now realise that by "out of Hollywood" you mean "outside of Hollywood".
 
Prophet Steve said:
Yes, guys can. And it doesn't have to mean the girls are dumb.

Okay, let's say a guy could somehow go 2 months making a girl think he was gay (even though there's multiple reasons she should find out he's lying). Fine, okay.

But it doesn't happen. Guys don't do that. And if they try to, the girl most likely won't fall for it for very long, if at all. It's such an unlikely situation that it then becomes unrealistic.

It is the cooky scheme hatched up by the crazy character on a sitcom to try and get girls.

gerg said:
What's unbelievable is that a boy would hold up with that pretense for an extended period of time, much less do activities such as home tanning while still pretending to be gay.

Thank you!

That situation happening is just as realistic as the the girl then forgiving the guy for it (and we're talking about a guy who is also fighting crime and looked at as a badass by the world at large).
 
trying to defend pretty much anything in this movie as "realistic" is a fool's errand. just accept and enjoy it for the farce that it is.
 
beelzebozo said:
trying to defend pretty much anything in this movie as "realistic" is a fool's errand. just accept and enjoy it for the farce that it is.

Man I could only really do that for Nic Cage and bits of the Hit-Girl stuff. For a movie that's supposed to be, like, "What if superheroes existed in real life," the ridiculously comic book and over-the-top world was super-jarring for me. The tone was just wrong. Also, the main kid's voice-over/performance was really, really mediocre.

This is all coming from a place of not having read the comic, also. Meant to before the movie, but classes etc etc.

Mr. Nicolas Cage was ten different kinds of awesome, though. Knowing he was in it sealed the deal for me. I love the man's lunatic performances. Just watched Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans last week.
 
trying to analyse this movie seems like trying to analyse a Lady Gaga song.

yes, it's just mindless fun, but at least it's somewhat more engaging than Beiber/Transformers. it's the sort of product made for mass appeal that should be promoted, I feel.
 
I am seriously tempted to snatch one of those Kick-ass avatars and replace my long run of Community avatars, but I got a feeling this place will be filled with Hit-Girl themed avatars too much lol
 
OneEightZero said:
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I'll take this one. Thank you kind sir :D.


Medalion said:
I am seriously tempted to snatch one of those Kick-ass avatars and replace my long run of Community avatars, but I got a feeling this place will be filled with Hit-Girl themed avatars too much lol
In that case grab one of those with Big Daddy or Kick-Ass =)
 
Ok all of this pertains to why I think the film is better than the comic, and sorta addresses some of the other things people have said about Katie.

The comic, for me, comes down to the fact that the characters have no arc, or story, but are there more to make Miller's point. Whereas it's taking more of a Wanted (the comic version) line of that people are fucking sick and love violence. Fine, but redundant. Watchmen already explored the fetishistic aspect of costumed heroes, and the ascended fanboy angle, but with a plot and characters.

Dave getting Katie is wish-fulfilment, but the film had that tone long before then. From the moment he wakes up from the operation with deadened nerves it's a film about ascension to true heroism, culminating with him strapping on the jet-pack and actually, honest to god flying.

It's why the change to Big Daddy works so well. In the comic not only is his character pointless (more on that shortly) but, while his death sucks, he's a lying piece of shit. Hit-Girl and Kick Ass should be pissed, there's no way he (maybe her too) would want to get revenge for him. It is an act fuelled by revenge though. But in the film, although he's still a fruitcake, he was a good man. And Dave got him killed. So stepping up and helping Hit-Girl is an act of genuine heroism. He's wanted to walk away, had the opportunity and doesn't. He takes on someone else's fight for the second time in his life (the first being the glorious beatdown in front of the shop). It's a fulfilment of his wish to be a hero and Katie is his karmic reward.

It's why Katie is softened in the film. There's a slight subtext about real heroism, what it means and to whom. It's why she works in a shitty volunteer centre and has an obsession with "lame-ducks". She's a grounded, more real take on Kick-Ass. Someone who's doing good deeds for a personal reason for fulfilment.

As for Big-Daddy. In the comic he's a twisted mirror of Dave. What he could become if he keeps this shit up and a look at his motivations from another angle. You know who also serves this angle? Red Mist. The film version changes his character just enough to be a perfect fit. He's literally Dave, but with a bad influence and money for toys. He's even less of a hero, wanting to play the part but not managing to beat Dave's paltry two acts of heroism. If there is a sequel Red Mist is going to be a fantastic villain. He's set up to be classic comic book villain. Shared origin, dark reflection, once friends with the heroes and ultimately more powerful. He's going to be dangerous as hell. Unlike the comic version he doesn't aspire to villainy. He want's to be a hero, but also wants his father's approval. Kick-Ass shoves him down the path to villainy, which is a great set up for conflict.
 
I loved Big Daddy's scene cleaning out the Lumber warehouse, something almost worthy of a pissed off Batman...

was his suit SUPPOSED To resemble Batman's so much... is that how it is in the Comics or just for the movie?
 
Best superhero movies ever:

1. The Dark Knight
2. Kick-Ass
3. Everything Else

I liked it that much. I had low expectations but was utterly blown away. Great humor, awesome characters, interesting story, and just pure entertainment the whole way through.

Can't wait to buy this!

Now I need to go pick up the GN. Hope my library has it
 
Medalion said:
I think Red Mist's wig made him look really really douchey. I can't believe that guy is gonna be a supervillain lol

:lol

Just got back from seeing this movie. Never read the comics, but it was fun. Would see again.
 
Pretty awesome. I had a ton of fun with the movie. It’s Matthew Vaughn’s weakest movie yet, but none of the issues are actually to do with him. Im guessing it’s the source material that’s lacking any real depth or punch, and not the execution. Regardless, Vaughn directs the shit out of it. Even choices as bizarre as lifting John Murphy score directly from a less than 3 year old sci-fi movie don’t hurt because Vaughn implements them so well. All the action scenes, especially the Kick-Ass/Big Daddy hostage scene, are excellent. The cast is really great, and the movie is incredibly funny (although I must admit that while the whole movie is riduculous, the jetpack really seemed even more ridiculous than anything else). Also, why in the hell wasn’t this called Hit Girl? She is the star of the show here, and I derived most of my enjoyment from the Mindy/Daddy dynamic.

Vaughn is batting 3/3. But please, Matt, don’t make that rumoured third straight comic book movie. Get out there and spread your wings some more. Far too much talent to stay in this genre for the long haul.
 
Solo, Stardust isn't really a comic book movie. The novel came first :)

And Turf is such a cool concept, unlike any other comic. It'd be awesome.
 
Stardust is amazing. The finale of the film really felt like the multiple ending boss of a video game. And I mean that in an awesome way.
 
gerg said:
What's unbelievable is that a boy would hold up with that pretense for an extended period of time, much less do activities such as home tanning while still pretending to be gay. Remember, this is a character we first meet jacking off to pictures of large-breasted African tribeswoman - if he's that horny I doubt he could survive the tanning session without getting some sort of boner.



That's essentially the direct antithesis to what happened during this movie's production. Not only did Mark Millar work closely alongside Mathew Vaughn during the film's production (and, in fact, Bid Daddy's back-story in the film was the back story that Millar first conceived for the character), but Vaughn went to all the major Hollywood film studios, and was promptly rejected by all of them before deciding to self-finance the film himself.

So the claim that "Hollywood butchered my beloved comic genius!" is pretty much empty.

Edit: Sorry, I now realise that by "out of Hollywood" you mean "outside of Hollywood".
Yeah I hate it when people talk shit about a movie and ignorantly go on about "Hollywood" this and that like "Hollywood" is some monolithic entity.

Oh yeah and include me on the "Stardust is awesome" train.
 
Fuck me that movie was amazing! The shootouts with Hit Girl where amazing, that part with Big Daddy(on the cam) gave me chills! Almost made me wish he did more super hero movies! IMO he could probably kick Bat Man's ass. There I said it :P Also wtf did he scream in that part.(not going to spoil it but you know what I'm talking about) Kryp-to-niiiiiite?
 
McLovin said:
Fuck me that movie was amazing! The shootouts with Hit Girl where amazing, that part with Big Daddy(on the cam) gave me chills! Almost made me wish he did more super hero movies! IMO he could probably kick Bat Man's ass. There I said it :P Also wtf did he scream in that part.(not going to spoil it but you know what I'm talking about) Kryp-to-niiiiiite?

thats what i heard too :lol i couldnt hear anything he yelled out
 
I can't believe people are actually complaining about the changes from the comic
After re-reading that last sentence, nevermind. There's always somebody lol
. I've never seen a comic to movie adaptation that so closely translated the comic while simultaneously making it better with minor changes
Ok, Big Daddy's origin was big but it makes more sense
. Get over it people. The movie is 10x better than the comic (and I liked the comic).
 
GuitarAtomik said:
I can't believe people are actually complaining about the changes from the comic
After re-reading that last sentence, nevermind. There's always somebody lol
. I've never seen a comic to movie adaptation that so closely translated the comic while simultaneously making it better with minor changes
Ok, Big Daddy's origin was big but it makes more sense
. Get over it people. The movie is 10x better than the comic (and I liked the comic).
I didn't read the comic or even knew it existed. But as a movie on its own.. it was freakin awesome.
Ashhong said:
thats what i heard too :lol i couldnt hear anything he yelled out
I know he said something like that and "chiiiild" lol This is why I love Nicholas Cage. He could be into what ever character he's doing but he always manages to throw in some of his "crazy" lol
 
Costanza said:
Solo, Stardust isn't really a comic book movie. The novel came first :)

Well, close enough. Anyways, Ive enjoyed each of Vaughn's movies less than the last, but that statement isnt really as damning as it sounds, since all three are great.
 
Haven't read through the thread yet (will soon), so it might have already been mentioned, but did anyone else think that it wasn't "Surface of the Sun" ripped directly from Sunshine? What I mean is, it sounded like a different arrangement, more guitar driven. And I also noticed that John Murphy got a credit (alongside 3 others) in the opening titles for the music. So Im wondering if its not a re-arranged, re-recorded version of the cue.
 
Just got back. I like it a lot and agree mostly with the posts above about why it's better than the comic. Basically, adaptions of Miller's comics always end up humanizing the characters (most of them, not every adaptation) because Miller is so cynical and uses the characters as empty ciphers for whatever point he wants to make.

However, my only real problem, and this is what brought the movie down a notch for me is:

The emphasis is shifted so much onto Big Daddy and Hit Girl that it becomes almost entirely their film. Part of the problem is that Dave is given nothing to do besides be confused and afraid. Yes, yes, in the comic he's a screw up too who doesn't perform righteous beat downs until the finale. But since they removed his awesome hands-on assault with Hit Girl at the end, opting for the jet pack wierdness, Kick-Ass ironically hardly ever kicks ass. This version of the story could have used one or two more brawls where Kick-Ass at least barely holds his own, even if he ends up taking equal or worse damage than his opponents. In the end, Dave's arc of heroism feels truncated and a little by-the-numbers since he never gets to really fight for it until he suddenly learns to fly a jet pack in 15 minutes while reading Korean instructions.
 
The jet-pack is for sure a groan-inducing moment cop-out for easy save.

I don't see how people think the movie was mostly about Hit-girl and Big Daddy, they are for sure a big part of it, but for on-screen time, Hit-Girl didn't get that much screen time... but in terms of actual interesting shit going on, yes BD/HG were the most fascinating.
 
Medalion said:
The jet-pack is for sure a groan-inducing moment cop-out for easy save.

I don't see how people think the movie was mostly about Hit-girl and Big Daddy, they are for sure a big part of it, but for on-screen time, Hit-Girl didn't get that much screen time... but in terms of actual interesting shit going on, yes BD/HG were the most fascinating.

Thats the issue though. When the movie was focused on Kick-Ass is when it was at its weakest. When it shifted to HG/BD, or Mark Strong, it got much more entertaining.
 
Reason #4557 that Matt Vaughn is awesome:

Nicolas Cage modeled his speech mannerisms as Big Daddy on original Batman Adam West. According to Matthew Vaughn, Cage started acting out his lines this way at the first costume fitting. The director was happy for Cage to continue with this performance in the film, citing his irritation with the gravelly voice Christian Bale used in The Dark Knight (2008).

Also, that kill where
Hit Girl uses that spear-thing to grab both hands of a bad guy and make him shoot himself in the head
is like the best kill ever.
 
Solo said:
Thats the issue though. When the movie was focused on Kick-Ass is when it was at its weakest. When it shifted to HG/BD, or Mark Strong, it got much more entertaining.
I saw it more as a deliberate juxtaposition. The life of a teenager in high school, even one that dresses up as a super hero, is never going to be as interesting as a highly trained father-daughter costumed duo going up against an organized crime ring. That tension - ordinary guy with ordinary life getting sucked into stuff that's way over his head - is what made much of the movie so amusing. The lead character is the guy the audience can relate to; when Hit Girl is wiping out everyone in her first scene, Kick-Ass is reacting exactly the same way as the audience. As stuff got crazier and crazier, the contrast become more stark. It led to a lot of really great inter-cutting late in the film.

I thought it worked.
 
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