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A note about Persona 5 Streaming From Atlus
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Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Ah, no wonder there are some who would program Twitter bots to spill Persona5 spoilers... apparently it's because of this.
TyrantGuardian
Member
Welp, I was considering buying the game but I refuse to purchase games from developers/publishers that act like this. Zero tolerance for anyone abusing ContentID/copyright strikes on fair use materials. Oh well.
Your loss, the game is fantastic and Atlus deserves P5 to sell well.
TyrantGuardian
Member
Their loss because they don't make money from me. They certainly don't if they abuse Content ID.
Magicpaint
Member
lol Atlus, really.
It won't stop me from playing and enjoying the game but I don't think this helps them. They risk enraging their actual fanbase and that's never a good thing.
It won't stop me from playing and enjoying the game but I don't think this helps them. They risk enraging their actual fanbase and that's never a good thing.
The insistence of Sega being as hands-off as possible with ATLUS has come back to bite us, with these old methods getting used i imagine some people from the good old Index days are in charge of business decisions like that. I think there is a better chance at contacting Sega than AtlusJP to make changes happen, but it's hard to see Sega stepping on Atlus's foot now when they've made them a lot of money.
ShemhazaiX
Member
Eh. I find it hard to be outraged when all they're doing is reacting to spoiler culture. Too many times people complain about seeing spoilers in the title of a video or the thumbnail, and their attitude might be able to lower the chance of this happening for people.
However, I fully understand how someone else could be upset or annoyed over this. I don't really watch streams or youtube (don't really understand why people want to watch other people play games) so this doesn't effect me, but I can see how it would effect youtubers (if they really wanted to make 100 hour lets plays).
However, I fully understand how someone else could be upset or annoyed over this. I don't really watch streams or youtube (don't really understand why people want to watch other people play games) so this doesn't effect me, but I can see how it would effect youtubers (if they really wanted to make 100 hour lets plays).
Chaos2Frozen
Member
If you're looking forward to playing Persona 5 for all these years I can't imagine you'll be deterred by this.
Lord Frieza
Member
TyrantGuardian
Member
There's a difference between warning people to be wary of spoilers/ask streamers to at least spoiler tag their videos and threatening Content ID flagging.
I hear gamespot's video review just spoils the game, are the guidelines there different or does Gamestpot just not care?
I also think people who vote with their wallet are barely a drop in the bucket for Atlus financially. These companies get shacken up by million dollar law-suit or the like. It's hard to make things happen when there is no interest from the JP side to resolve things and a language and distance barrier that's not going to be broken.
Perhaps a dozen foreigners could make it before Atlus HQ in japan on behalf of this bullshit decision and protest and i bet it would make a bigger impression on them than all the english speaking internet outrage combined.
Azure Phoenix
Member
There are speedruns of everything, Neviutz just completed his first P5 speedrun (just under 23 hours on the JP version) a few hours before Atlus released these draconian rules. P4 is typically about 14-15 hours.
That's my point of view on this issue as well. It can hardly be acceptable to put down insane punishments just because a few get triggered by a video title. It seems they want control over the messaging for the game, a strange thing considering the game is apparently so ridiculously good.
Which is really unique coming from a japanese company. All other examples of japanese media don't seem to give one ounce of a shit about spoilers,with movie trailers,next episode previews, every opening to jrpgs. Nier's opening is all spoilers and more. Atlus has been very serious about spoilers in the past, i don't know how much different it has been or if they are putting more effort in than usual.
it is their right to say this.
why is everyone expecting to be shown for free and for no obvious reason on youtube?
this game is a SP-experience.
i dont see it changing much, when you see everyting from the story online and then buying the game to see the story by yourself.
i dont like this whole "everything" should be seeable on youtube for free.
i dont watch lp, or any sort of these complete streamings of games. mostly i check trailers and want to know what is in the Special editions (unboxing,because some companies are too dumb to show good pics of the content) but thats pretty much it.
go buy the game, if you are really interested instead of consuming everything on youtube where the company does not earn a cent.
why is everyone expecting to be shown for free and for no obvious reason on youtube?
this game is a SP-experience.
i dont see it changing much, when you see everyting from the story online and then buying the game to see the story by yourself.
i dont like this whole "everything" should be seeable on youtube for free.
i dont watch lp, or any sort of these complete streamings of games. mostly i check trailers and want to know what is in the Special editions (unboxing,because some companies are too dumb to show good pics of the content) but thats pretty much it.
go buy the game, if you are really interested instead of consuming everything on youtube where the company does not earn a cent.
It's not the fans who have been waiting forever that they'll lose, it's all the people who were interested in trying out this person game thing everyone's raving about that have now decided they'd rather support anyone else.
Hype for this game was high, and they could have introduced a bunch of new people to the series, which then extends to several other series they run in the larger smt series as a whole. But by both limiting the exposure the game can get as well as pissing people off by doing so, they're only hurting themselves.
Shame it had to be p5, but some game somewhere had to do this. Now it's on us to react accordingly. Even if you buy the game you can still call them out for being fucking idiots here.
I would understand this complaint for a film, but for a game? I doubt there are significant amounts of people who only watch a game, and I definitely doubt this subset would even offset the group of people who get convinced by a let's play to try it themselves.
These actions seem to contradict the theme of the game itself. Stupid. If people don't want to get spoiled, it's up to them to use discretion. This is just babysitting and it's way too much. The story is going to be spoiled, and they've done nothing more than invite it on a grand scale.
Successfully refunded the game thanks to this, your fucking loss Atlus this was going to be my first Persona but your policy pissed me off so bad that you actually made me send back this game and lose 6€ for it. Enjoy your dumb ass rules.
First and last Atlus game i'll ever buy.
First and last Atlus game i'll ever buy.
MikeBison
Member
That's a little extreme. Game is fantastic and this is a small blemish imo. But, good on your for voting with your wallet.
Ritzboof
Member
i think youre starting to go a little overboard on what can be considered a spoiler (i.e. anything and everything that you havent laid eyes on yourself, whether or not theres any context to draw conclusions from)
honestly, though, this is the first time ive seen such absurd actions be excused as protecting customers from spoilers. it really offputs me, whether or not thats the entire reason for this nonsense
jeez, spoilers is really a buzz word
mokalovesoulmate
Member
Sorry guys but in current context, I am with Atlus.
Persona 5 story is so deep that you are supposed to PLAY it by yourself, not by watching gameplay videos/reading texts.
If you want to recommend this game to a friend, just give them the prologue and early gameplay video combat with the shadows. Atlus leaving us to decide which one is spoilers and which one is not, in a good judgment.
In the other side, ppl seem to read the notes as Atlus do not want you to share anything from P5 at all. Atlus only saying if you want to share something from P5, *here* is the guideline. Important parts are the story elements. I dont think they care about you share the gameplay system or combat strategies (towards normal shadows, not the bosses) despite the 7/7 in-game calendar.
For me this is a good decision from Atlus to maintain the game experience.
So yeah just please respect their decision.
Persona 5 story is so deep that you are supposed to PLAY it by yourself, not by watching gameplay videos/reading texts.
If you want to recommend this game to a friend, just give them the prologue and early gameplay video combat with the shadows. Atlus leaving us to decide which one is spoilers and which one is not, in a good judgment.
In the other side, ppl seem to read the notes as Atlus do not want you to share anything from P5 at all. Atlus only saying if you want to share something from P5, *here* is the guideline. Important parts are the story elements. I dont think they care about you share the gameplay system or combat strategies (towards normal shadows, not the bosses) despite the 7/7 in-game calendar.
For me this is a good decision from Atlus to maintain the game experience.
So yeah just please respect their decision.
Yep, said same thing last page. Perhaps you could buy it used sometime in the future. That's what I'm planning on doing.
Hooks
Member
What? Did you buy the game for the sole purpose of streaming or something?
lmao u gotta be kidding me
if you already know you don't want spoilers then don't watch an LP
The action in itself is incredibly unlike me, i'm a lazy ass person that hates do the simplest thing to achieve something also i hate losing money for dumb stuff so never in my life i would have thought to refund a not broken game and yet here i am... wasting money and time after playing 3 hours of it because the dumb fucks at Atlus have to adopt completely insane policies.
I'm not even a streamer but this is just so. goddamn. insane.
No i stream stuff like once every 3-4 months or something and i don't even earn money from streaming.
Vincent Grayson
Member
Nope, sorry. There's no reason they should have any authority in this matter whatsoever. Consoles stream games now. It's a basic, core function.
You don't like it? Stop making games on those systems.
But if you're not a streamer why do you care so much? Just play the game and ignore all this drama.
Vincent Grayson
Member
I feel bad for Atlus USA, because I dare say their American customers are likely to be way more shitty about this than the Japanese customers were, and they have no authority whatsoever in this regard (I assume).
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
No 7/7 refers to the in game date. The streaming restriction is indefinite.
Bl@de
Member
That's what I'm talking about. I'm still in April in-game^^ 3 Months to go ...
Other games can have meaningful stories and stories that are impact (some) of their audience in a deep way yet publishers are okay with their consumers sharing the full game.
Showing how the gameplays and how the ealy game is only says so much about a game. I thought Shin Megami Tensei IV was going to be an amazing game because I liked everything up until Naraku. After realizing I spent a lot more hours and having reached the end game I felt that I wasted my $50.
I would gladly watch a Let's Plays, Streams, etc to see if I would enjoy the game after the first few hours.
Atlus isn't maintaining the game experience, they're dictating it.
YoRHa No.2 Type B
Banned
I never thought they would be such crybabys.
They release probably the best game of the year and act like 4 year olds.
ATLUS: "It's mine, it's mine!!!!, I let you experience it but you are just allowed to share this much."
Us: "But we want to share our experience with this game"
ATLUS: "NO NO!!"
Us: "Bu-"
ATLUS: "NO!"
Us: "B-"
ATLUS: "NO!!! NO NO NO NO NO!!"
Us: ".."
ATLUS: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
They release probably the best game of the year and act like 4 year olds.
ATLUS: "It's mine, it's mine!!!!, I let you experience it but you are just allowed to share this much."
Us: "But we want to share our experience with this game"
ATLUS: "NO NO!!"
Us: "Bu-"
ATLUS: "NO!"
Us: "B-"
ATLUS: "NO!!! NO NO NO NO NO!!"
Us: ".."
ATLUS: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
This is absolutely ridiculous.
Threatening copyright strikes is the action of a two-bit Unity asset-flipper on the Steam store, it should be totally beneath a company like Atlus.
Do they even... does the Endurance Run just not exist to them? Do they have no concept of how much of their Western fanbase exists solely because way too much of Persona 4 was exposed to people through the wonderful medium of Internet video?
This has already been incredibly counter-productive, but if they actually go through with their threats it's gonna go sideways real fast.
Threatening copyright strikes is the action of a two-bit Unity asset-flipper on the Steam store, it should be totally beneath a company like Atlus.
Do they even... does the Endurance Run just not exist to them? Do they have no concept of how much of their Western fanbase exists solely because way too much of Persona 4 was exposed to people through the wonderful medium of Internet video?
This has already been incredibly counter-productive, but if they actually go through with their threats it's gonna go sideways real fast.
Because these "guidelines" are a thing that should never exist and i'm not going to encourage a backward minded company like this to do the same in the future. If people allow this now don't you think they'll do the same with SMT5 and P6? What if other companies try to do the same? Where is the limit? Sorry but this is unacceptable to me.
mokalovesoulmate
Member
Story (or certain other *critical* parts, also applicable to other game) is the reason a developer have this kind of authority. If you dont like that, tell that to Sony who create this basic, core functionality (streaming) why they are making the opposite function (record blocking -- or stream paused on blocked scenes) on the PS4.
You just pissed off that a company seems limits you how to enjoy something. The limitation itself is not a big deal.
I'm also not a streamer and also made the decision to not buy the game.
Without speaking for LeleSocho, I follow a fair amount of streamers, and am friends with a few as well and even if I didn't, this is a consumer-unfriendly practice that would honestly be extremely problematic if it would start to become a precedent. So yeah, I'm fine with reluctantly (cause the game looks awesome) voting with my wallet.
I'd say a youtube/streaming channel being shut down/suspended because their audience wanted them to play Persona 5.
It's a crappy situation overall because it either leads to
1. Channel suspension/termination which equals to income being reduced
or
2. Going with a less popular/less anticipated game which also equals to reduced income.
Streamers need to be on top with where the latest hype is going in order to stay afloat because people have quit their jobs and will continue to do so to make streaming/ gaming content their full time job.