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A note about Persona 5 Streaming From Atlus
- Thread starter bomblord1
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They ignore that this can have a seemingly contradictory effect in getting people to buy the game.
Nevermind that some people really do just want to follow the story but can't play games for shit even if it's on the easiest difficulties, so they're just cut out entirely instead.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
I don't know if that's autocorrect or on purpose but 'five a duck' is just beautiful
Vincent Grayson
Member
I mean, this game is fucking great, but part of me wishes I hadn't bought it now, because this kind of bullshit behavior should not be tolerated or accepted on any level.
Streaming is part of gaming now. Deal with it.
Streaming is part of gaming now. Deal with it.
It's probably a larger cultural change that needs to happen.
And don't forget they were bought by Sega. The same Sega that thought it'd be a great idea to go trying to remove all old Shining Force videos from Youtube to not take away from their newest game. They can be control freaks in the stupidest of fucking ways.
The big deal is their attitude makes me not want to give them my money. I have no attachment to the series other than the hype I see here so I'll be just fine waiting to play it if ever.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
LOL this is plenty worse than Nintendo. At least theyre not blocking people from sharing screens or videos of their latest marquee game for whatever stupid reason.
hemo memo
Gold Member
holy heck lol
Anybody post this from Devolver Digital yet?
Yeah just saw this on twitter.
AlexFlame116
Member
Dang!holy heck lol
Anybody post this from Devolver Digital yet?
charlequin
Banned
Even these execs usually aren't actually dumb enough to think this costs them money. This sort of thing is 100% about people with a compulsive need for control being enabled by a corporate structure that keeps logical analysis far away from the decision-making process.
I suspect people will look a little askance at an internal Twitch study, but: http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/twitch-study-claims-link-between-game-streaming-and-sales/
The only people who have ever even tried to make a serious case that LPs and streams were a net negative for their revenue are people who make games that are short, almost entirely story-driven, don't benefit notably from playing them yourself, and don't provide any other secondary value for purchase. That definitely leaves something like That Dragon, Cancer in an awkward spot but it's a minuscule part of the landscape (and doesn't apply to Persona even a little bit.)
The thing is even if they reverse their decision in like a month they'll have still got their way. Most big channels and streamers will have already moved on.
Its incredibly dickish of them especially to have left this announcement so late.
AlexFlame116
Member
I sincerely hope that either Atlus JP stops being petty (imo) and allows streaming, or they at least get the message loud and clear and say...something! Anything!
karasu
Member
lol spellcheck.
Neverforget
Member
EDIT: I stand corrected, apparently it's an order from AtlusJP.
Why is everyone blaming AtlusJP? The game has been out for them for 7 months and I bet videos about it are out for their version.
Blame Atlus America for this, they are the one issuing the warning and getting ready to close channels.
Or just blame Atlus as a company... Defending a certain branch and accusing another over speculations is laughable.
Why is everyone blaming AtlusJP? The game has been out for them for 7 months and I bet videos about it are out for their version.
Blame Atlus America for this, they are the one issuing the warning and getting ready to close channels.
Or just blame Atlus as a company... Defending a certain branch and accusing another over speculations is laughable.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
The blog post directly says it was an order from Atlus Japan.
On the PS4, The Japanese version of P5 was totally video blocked after the title screen. I was hoping after the American release that they'd patch that crap out, but it looks like they'll continue that bullshit. The videos that are out were most likely taken with a capture device, which is sad because the PS4 already has that feature built in.
That makes Atlus USA complicit then, supposing that they know better and did nothing anyway.
charlequin
Banned
The blog post even throws Atlus Japan under the bus and it was written by someone whose job it is to run defense on this kind of dumbass move.
Also, no American company has ever even flirted with doing something like this because the people working at every American game publisher have actually heard of Twitch before.
....how do you think the corporate structure here works exactly
Atlus Japan calls the shots. There is nothing the US branch can do if the people in Japan don't want it to happen.
i'm sure atlus usa was frothing at the mouth to handle this completely avoidable pr nightmare
Earthpainting
Member
Disappointed by this, but I'm not surprised that if any company would have tried to pull this, it would have been Atlus. I love their games, but their business sense moves at the same snails pace as their game development. The only way they could get any more draconian is if they started breathing fire.
This could have been the excuse I needed to hold off on buying Persona 5 and wait out for later portable version, but I already bit the bullet.
This could have been the excuse I needed to hold off on buying Persona 5 and wait out for later portable version, but I already bit the bullet.
It's all rather ironic considering the themes of the game.
Neverforget
Member
TatteredHat
Member
I'm not sure why they picked a random date like 7/7 either. They're just giving people the wrong impressions by making that the cut-off point.
I'm guessing it's the deadline for the 3rd dungeon or something.
charlequin
Banned
again I ask: do you have even a vague concept of how this corporate structure works that would make your critique here make sense
Lord Frieza
Member
Time to put on the masks, go to Atlus's Palace, and change their heart.
texhnolyze
Banned
Just.. why can't Sony do anything about this?
Why can't they not allow this kind of behavior from anyone who's using their platform?
It's a button on your damned official controller and we, the customers, aren't allowed to use it.
Lots of Japanese games are blocking share functions and it's getting tiring.
Why can't they not allow this kind of behavior from anyone who's using their platform?
It's a button on your damned official controller and we, the customers, aren't allowed to use it.
Lots of Japanese games are blocking share functions and it's getting tiring.
Wonder Peter
Member
Is there any proof that the order was made by Atlus JP and not Sega?
SolicitorPirate
Member
That's not how big corporations work.
Anyone who works in that kind of environment can tell you stories of the times we had to do dumb fucking shit because the relevant decision maker was too stubborn to listen to advice.
What sense is there to make? I said that they were complicit. I don't expect any particular person to throw down the moral gauntlet and more than likely be completely ignored or never even heard by corporate (This probably did occur, but I don't work at Atlus USA) or at worst fired and forgotten about. I probably wouldn't either in that situation. On the other hand, nor do I expect to have to wait until a bunch of old suits keel over before things change either.
I'd argue the scared victim of a crime refusing to testify publicly against the one commiting it is complicit in the same way. I'm not calling them a criminal themself though.
This all stemmed from someone saying to please don't blame Atlus USA, it's all JP's fault. I'm 100% in agreement that this stems from the JP side. But that doesn't mean USA is absolved of what the parent company does is all I'm saying.
I thought Sony wont allow whole game to be blocked and will fail cert. But apparently I am wrong (or Atlus talked with them for a one time exception?)
Chaos2Frozen
Member
That's like... not how companies work...
There are P4 speed runs? What? How? I need to look this up.
texhnolyze
Banned
There are lots of exceptions then, as Persona 5 is not the first.
Just how much money these Japanese pubs gave Sony so their games can be blocked? Ridiculous.
Then those people at Atlus USA would get fired and more obedient dogs would run that place instead. The headquarters have all the sway they want and have not given a shit since backlash from overseas can not reach them even if someone tried to shoot a letter of complaint with an arrow through their office. Atlus USA have tried resolving copyright strikes from the JP side but the threats this time are even bigger from higher up.
That a bunch of old corpses still run a majority of japanese game companies is a shame and annoyance to me too. We have this with Nindendo,Konami certain other Jrpg releases and yet still with Atlus games from time to time. Atlus USA can not conjure up some magic power to combat that right now. Sega would need to step in and break their rule to get in the way of how Atlus JP operates and who knows what that would take.
lmao