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A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD**

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Brakke

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If you've read her preview chapter you would see she is learning. Again, it's called an arc. Do people really think she'll stay a naive dumb pre-teen for the whole story? Why don't people complain about Arya being the "same?" She's an angry, impulsive brat that kills for the base pleasure of revenge without thinking of the consequences.

You want Sansa's story to be an arc but it isn't yet. She's spent whatever 4,000 pages and multiple years being a useless tool of powerful men. If her TWOW chapter is really so groundbreaking then that's cool I guess but really it's too little too late for me to feel interested or invested at all.

Arya isn't the same. She's been wrestling with her identity constantly. Is she a Stark or is she Arry or is she a Faceless Man. Arya has goals, she recites them to herself every night. Book Sansa doesn't have any goals except "don't get killed today I guess". Arya knows what she wants to do (kill a bunch of people), has a plan for how to achieve it (learn assassination from the Faceless Men), and is actively pursuing that plan. Plus, we know her plan of killing specific people out of revenge doesn't jive with the Faceless deal so there's some underlying tension there; we can see an impending clash either between Arya and the Faceless or Arya and her own desire for revenge. Sansa... shows up where Littlefinger tells her to. Arya demonstrates increasing competency at her job and she develops warging skills. Sansa... listens to Littlefinger talk.
 

Moff

Member
I saw a post on reddit about the will that brought up a scenario I had never considered: what if Robb named Catelyn his heir? In the first book she notes that she is still young enough to have children, and as Queen Of The North she would no doubt marry one of Robb's bannermen (and thus propel the house to the rulers of the north). Obviously none of that will happen now lol, but...would the North fight for her as Lady Stoneheart?

she could marry the Night's King, would make for lovely couple, and invade westeros together
 
Wouldn't it be weird for him to name Cat, who is close to his side during the war? He has to name someone who is relatively safe.

When this will was written he had just decided on sending her off to Seaguard to stay with the Mallister family where she would be safe, so that's not really an issue. He believed she would be safe for the rest of the war.
 

Brazil

Living in the shadow of Amaz
If you've read her preview chapter you would see she is learning. Again, it's called an arc. Do people really think she'll stay a naive dumb pre-teen for the whole story? Why don't people complain about Arya being the "same?" She's an angry, impulsive brat that kills for the base pleasure of revenge without thinking of the consequences.

Well, I haven't.

And no, I don't think she'll remain dumb... Otherwise she probably wouldn't even exist.

I'm just saying.
 

Montresor

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Well, I finally finished book 4. There are a couple of things near the end that made me embarrassingly yelp in excitement.

1. Someone near the end (can't remember who - it was definitely someone in Jaime's host at Riverrun) finally removed all doubt that the wolves prowling the riverlands are lead by Nymeria (Arya's old direwolf). It was always hinted at beforehand, but I think near the end of book 4 was the first time it was ever confirmed that the pack leader was far bigger than any normal wolf (i.e. it's a direwolf).

2. Margaery accusing Cersei to her face of conspiring to ensure that Margaery would be forced to have Blount or Trant as her champion in a trial by battle... both terrible/old knights that would get cut to pieces by Osney Kettleblack.

3. Right after, Osney Kettleblack in chains, feebly pointing to Cersei, in the presence of the High Septon, implicating Cersei in treason, and Cersei without hesitation trying to run away. Finally, is all I could think.

And things that made me yelp out in dismay...

1. Brienne having her cheek chewed off by Biter. :(

2. Catelyn ordering the hanging of Podrick, Ser Hyle, and Brienne. :(
 
For my birthday, Mrs Squirrel gave me a copy of the World of Ice and Fire. Only up to the Doom of Valyria so far, but I'm liking the history book style, especially the proto scientific historian in the voice of the maester when he points out anachronistic elements in the popular versions of events or comes up with more plausible explanations for fantastical events. There's an amusing tension there.
 

foxtrot3d

Banned
Well, I finally finished book 4. There are a couple of things near the end that made me embarrassingly yelp in excitement.

1. Someone near the end (can't remember who - it was definitely someone in Jaime's host at Riverrun) finally removed all doubt that the wolves prowling the riverlands are lead by Nymeria (Arya's old direwolf). It was always hinted at beforehand, but I think near the end of book 4 was the first time it was ever confirmed that the pack leader was far bigger than any normal wolf (i.e. it's a direwolf).

2. Margaery accusing Cersei to her face of conspiring to ensure that Margaery would be forced to have Blount or Trant as her champion in a trial by battle... both terrible/old knights that would get cut to pieces by Osney Kettleblack.

3. Right after, Osney Kettleblack in chains, feebly pointing to Cersei, in the presence of the High Septon, implicating Cersei in treason, and Cersei without hesitation trying to run away. Finally, is all I could think.

And things that made me yelp out in dismay...

1. Brienne having her cheek chewed off by Biter. :(

2. Catelyn ordering the hanging of Podrick, Ser Hyle, and Brienne. :(

I wonder if you grasped everything that was going on during that last chapter in Oldtown.
 

Montresor

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I wonder if you grasped everything that was going on during that last chapter in Oldtown.

Everything seemed pretty straightforward, other than the fact that someone seemed to be impersonating Pate, as Pate died at the very end of the prologue in Book 4, but he's seen talking to Sam at the end of the last chapter in Book 4.

Sam was going to talk to the Seneschal to tell him everything about the wights, the Wall, the prophecy, dragons, and Daenerys, but Alleras did the Slayer a solid-and-a-half, guiding Sam away from the Seneschal and ensuring Sam could tell his story to the right person, someone who would believe him, someone would would listen.

Why is someone impersonating Pate, and how is that person impersonating Pate? I don't know the answer to those questions. I just remember in the first chapter that some alchemist wanted to exchange a golden dragon coin for a key, and that key happened to be guarded by some lazy/incompetent (details are a bit hazy) leader at the Citadel. Pate had easy access to the key and the person guarding the key wouldn't notice it was missing.

And, meaning no offense, but I'll try to avoid reading responses to this post, because very likely my guesses are horribly wrong, and I'd rather wait until I finish Book 5 to confirm that. =p
 

hythloday

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And, meaning no offense, but I'll try to avoid reading responses to this post, because very likely my guesses are horribly wrong, and I'd rather wait until I finish Book 5 to confirm that. =p

You should finish book 5 soon! The night is dark and full of spoilers.
 

CassSept

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Everything seemed pretty straightforward, other than the fact that someone seemed to be impersonating Pate, as Pate died at the very end of the prologue in Book 4, but he's seen talking to Sam at the end of the last chapter in Book 4.

Sam was going to talk to the Seneschal to tell him everything about the wights, the Wall, the prophecy, dragons, and Daenerys, but Alleras did the Slayer a solid-and-a-half, guiding Sam away from the Seneschal and ensuring Sam could tell his story to the right person, someone who would believe him, someone would would listen.

Why is someone impersonating Pate, and how is that person impersonating Pate? I don't know the answer to those questions. I just remember in the first chapter that some alchemist wanted to exchange a golden dragon coin for a key, and that key happened to be guarded by some lazy/incompetent (details are a bit hazy) leader at the Citadel. Pate had easy access to the key and the person guarding the key wouldn't notice it was missing.

And, meaning no offense, but I'll try to avoid reading responses to this post, because very likely my guesses are horribly wrong, and I'd rather wait until I finish Book 5 to confirm that. =p

No ADWD spoilers:

The person impersonating Pate is Jaqen. Or whoever the FM who Jaqen was was. The person who kills Pate fits the description of the face Jaqen assumes at the end of ACOK. We don't know what the FM want, but they certainly want to be in on the Oldtown conspiracy (maesters limiting magic, wiping out dragons).

Alleras is most likely... let's do some shuffling.... Sarella, one of the Sand Snakes, infiltrating the Citadel.

Basically an absolute ton of conspiracies, hidden agendas, faked personalities. This is actually one of the most exciting aspects of what's to come, as there is quite a web of conspiracies going on in Oldtown, especially with maesters and FM hidden agenda.

Do remember that Jaqen was on his road to the Wall, so we have to remember that for some reason he went to Oldtown too, reasons yet undisclosed. Do remember FM most likely are in possession of a dragon egg (from Euron), which ties them into Citadel suppressing magic and dragons.
 

Brakke

Banned
Do remember that Jaqen was on his road to the Wall, so we have to remember that for some reason he went to Oldtown too, reasons yet undisclosed. Do remember FM most likely are in possession of a dragon egg (from Euron), which ties them into Citadel suppressing magic and dragons.

What's the Euron-dragon egg-Faceless Men connection?

I thought all that Oldtown stuff was kind of lame, tbh. There were so many obvious plays going on, GRR being too precious about it. Time to open the kimono, bub. The whole Marwyn encounter was so frustrating. Why didn't anyone there say "dude stop" and then make him speak in complete thoughts?
 

hemtae

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What's the Euron-dragon egg-Faceless Men connection?

I thought all that Oldtown stuff was kind of lame, tbh. There were so many obvious plays going on, GRR being too precious about it. Time to open the kimono, bub. The whole Marwyn encounter was so frustrating. Why didn't anyone there say "dude stop" and then make him speak in complete thoughts?

The theory goes Euron paid the Faceless Men with a dragon egg to kill Balon so Euron could return to the Iron Islands. Euron mentions having a dragon egg but flinging off the ship in a fit of drunken rage or something.
 

Brakke

Banned
Oh. That's kind of silly. Why not just straight up murder Balon himself? So he just sat at anchor a few leagues out waiting for this Faceless Man to do his dirty work? When he shows up everyone things he's suspicious af anyway.
 
Is anyone interested in a full series group reread starting in a few weeks? bengraven suggested doing this, and I think it might be fun.

Chapter counts:
AGoT: 73
ACoK: 70
ASoS: 82
AFFC: 46
ADwD: 73
Total: 344

If we wanted to read the series in about 40 weeks, it'd take 8-9 chapters per week.
 

Showaddy

Member
Oh. That's kind of silly. Why not just straight up murder Balon himself? So he just sat at anchor a few leagues out waiting for this Faceless Man to do his dirty work? When he shows up everyone things he's suspicious af anyway.

He was forbidden to return under pain of death whilst Balon still lived right? I doubt he could just roll in with his crew, get past everyone and kill the Lord of the Iron Islands. The man without a face waiting on a bridge with a crow on it's shoulder prophecy can't really be anything else as well.
 

Damerman

Member
Is anyone interested in a full series group reread starting in a few weeks? bengraven suggested doing this, and I think it might be fun.

Chapter counts:
AGoT: 73
ACoK: 70
ASoS: 82
AFFC: 46
ADwD: 73
Total: 344

If we wanted to read the series in about 40 weeks, it'd take 8-9 chapters per week.

I am most definitely down for this.
 

Brazil

Living in the shadow of Amaz
Fuck. I'm one of the theory guys now.

Starting to think real hard that Coldhands is Duncan.

Is anyone interested in a full series group reread starting in a few weeks? bengraven suggested doing this, and I think it might be fun.

Chapter counts:
AGoT: 73
ACoK: 70
ASoS: 82
AFFC: 46
ADwD: 73
Total: 344

If we wanted to read the series in about 40 weeks, it'd take 8-9 chapters per week.

I'm very much in.

Edit: Holy fuck. He's totally Duncan, HOLY SHIT.
 

Tubie

Member
Is anyone interested in a full series group reread starting in a few weeks? bengraven suggested doing this, and I think it might be fun.

Chapter counts:
AGoT: 73
ACoK: 70
ASoS: 82
AFFC: 46
ADwD: 73
Total: 344

If we wanted to read the series in about 40 weeks, it'd take 8-9 chapters per week.

Fantastic idea, count me in.
 

Brazil

Living in the shadow of Amaz
So, yeah. Here's my stupid theory.

I'll try to be very straight to the point here:

- Both Duncan the Dall and Coldhands are described as tall characters. Both have dark eyes, as well. Most of Coldhands' physical descriptions focus on how dead he is, though, so there isn't much to go on here.

- Both share a great love for their peculiar mounts. Dunk always shows respect and puts great thought to every single one of his mounts. When Chestnut dies, he's clearly very, very saddened by it. And that's exactly how Coldhands reacts when he realizes the great elk he was mounting has to be sacrificed.

- Duncan is a big-time friend and ally of Brynden Rivers'. Who's now living inside the tree North of the wall, and who commands Coldhands.

- The only fraternal relationships Brynden had previously to his disappearance that we know of are with Aemon, Dunk, and Egg. We know Coldhands isn't Aemon.

- About Coldhands, Leaf says: "They killed him long ago". To me, that seems to indicate that he was dead a long, long way before Benjen, Will or Waymar Royce disappeared. It's ludicrous to think that child of the forest, who lives hundreds and hundreds of years, would describe a period as short as the two (?) years gap between AGoT and ADwD as a "long" time.

- The first time Dunk is mentioned by name in the main series of books is when Aemon tells Samwell about the time he was brought to the Wall alongside Brynden Rivers and, you know it, Duncan the Tall. They used that line of dialogue to introduce Brynden, who would eventually show up as a major character in ADwD... And also tease Coldhands' identity.

The potential 'holes' of this theory:

- Dunk supposedly dies alongside Egg and his son Duncan during the Tragedy of Summerhall. I use the word "supposedly", though, because this series is notable for its unrealiable narrators and for George's love of fake deaths. And old tale told me Dunk died there... But I'm not sure I believe it.

- Coldhands calls Samwell "brother" at one point. That seems to indicate he was once a man of the Night's Watch, which is, as far as we know, not an apt description for the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard Dunk. Still, given the possibility that he did not die at Summerhall (which I did pull out of my ass for now, yes), there may be a lot of missing pieces in his tale. We do know he knows his way to the Wall, at least, considering that he had already been there alongside Brynden.

It may be one of those crazy theories, yes... But I was really just left thinking after the idea came up. Why did George choose Dunk and Egg as protagonists for his prequel tales? Yes, they're interesting characters with eyes through which fans are able to know a time before the fall of the Targaryens. But things are never that simple in this series, are they? Those stories have already served as a way to set up Brynden's myth, after all...

Maybe the answer to one of this series' oldest mysteries is right in front of us. Just a random thought.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
So, yeah. Here's my stupid theory.
- Duncan is a big-time friend and ally of Brynden Rivers'. Who's now living inside the tree North of the wall, and who commands Coldhands.
Errr, what do you base this on? This may be spoilers for The World of Ice and Fire, but...
King Aegon V (aka Egg) exiled Brynden to the Wall, after arresting him for the murder of Aenys Blackfyre. Egg was going to have him executed, but let Bloodraven take the black instead. So, Egg and Bloodraven are definitely not friends. That doesn't mean Ser Duncan couldn't be his friend, but Dunk was very close to Egg so that seems unlikely, no?

All we know between the two is that Dunk briefly met Bloodraven in The Mystery Knight, and that Dunk was part of the escort that accompanied Bloodraven and Maester Aemon to the Wall during his exile.

And considering how dubious the rest of your "evidence" is, well... sorry, but yeah that's completely crackpot.
 
Well Martin sure has build an aura of mystery around Summerhall and what happened on that fateful day. At the same time I can't see Dunk surviving and Egg dying. Dunk would gladly give up his life to save his King no matter what, and if he couldn't save him he would die with his King.

I'm more apt to believe Coldhands is a long dead Stark. I think he told Bran who he was when he said "your monster, Brandon Stark."
 

m3k

Member
Is anyone interested in a full series group reread starting in a few weeks? bengraven suggested doing this, and I think it might be fun.

Chapter counts:
AGoT: 73
ACoK: 70
ASoS: 82
AFFC: 46
ADwD: 73
Total: 344

If we wanted to read the series in about 40 weeks, it'd take 8-9 chapters per week.

I'm down... I've only read them once

In book order or chronological order?

I also have not read the 3 novellas and the history book... I have two of the novellas sitting at home though
 

Joni

Member
Is anyone interested in a full series group reread starting in a few weeks? bengraven suggested doing this, and I think it might be fun.

Chapter counts:
AGoT: 73
ACoK: 70
ASoS: 82
AFFC: 46
ADwD: 73
Total: 344

If we wanted to read the series in about 40 weeks, it'd take 8-9 chapters per week.

Wouldn't be one chapter = one day be more clear in that case, so seven chapters per week?
 

desh

Member
Has it been established what cold hands is? A white walker? A wight? Or something else? Could he simply be a rogue white walker who doesnt have the same political views as the other white walkers?
 

Joni

Member
Has it been established what cold hands is? A white walker? A wight? Or something else? Could he simply be a rogue white walker who doesnt have the same political views as the other white walkers?

His description matches the one of a Wight, but with different eye color. And he used to belong to the Watch, so less likely an Other unless he is like the Night's King.
 

Rei_Toei

Fclvat sbe Pnanqn, ru?
Oldtown as a location and all the intrigue going on is quite interesting IMO. The 'university' setting of the citadel/maesters could be an interesting change compared to the strongholds of the big houses, the court, the wall, etc. As a 'player' in the storyline there's still little known about Oldtown. Just as with the Vale I'm looking forward to seeing the location and its factions fleshed out more. Appeals more to me say Braavos or Dorne.
 

CassSept

Member
Rereading the series this huge is a daunting task, good luck guys.

I thought all that Oldtown stuff was kind of lame, tbh. There were so many obvious plays going on, GRR being too precious about it. Time to open the kimono, bub. The whole Marwyn encounter was so frustrating. Why didn't anyone there say "dude stop" and then make him speak in complete thoughts?

In AFFC I'd agree, but it sets up potentially very interesting plot lines for TWOW.
 
I agree Oldtown was far too much of a tease, in a book full of teases. I like the setting, especially the description of a foggy atmosphere with lamps lighting paths, bridges over various bodies of water, etc. But that last Sam chapter made me resent Martin's slow walking, moreso than many other arcs. I like Sam's chapters overall, I enjoyed all the Aemon stuff especially, but he should have reached the Citadel earlier. I would have enjoyed more plot there instead of the abrupt way things moved in that last chapter.

Especially considering the prologue is set there too yet we don't get another glimpse of it until the very end of the book for a couple chapters.

BTW this really makes me wonder how Martin is going to delegate POV chapters. In ADWD only three characters had a substantial amount of chapters, for better (Jon) or for worse (Dany). Now that everyone is back together it seems like many characters will need a lot of chapters. ASOS juggled multiple characters with 4+ chapters but the POV count is higher now. I assume some folks will have less chapters now that characters are converging though. And others will die. Still it seems like quite a task that needs to be planned out.

There's really little time for travel and lore chapters. Without going into details, Arianne has two chapters in TWOW that we've seen so far. And tbh it seems like an editor would want them to be mixed into one chapter to save pages. I'd hope that the rest of the book isn't like that. Don't get me wrong I enjoy both Arianne chapters, but they should be one chapter instead of two.
 

CassSept

Member
It was pretty telling when people couldn't tell one of the first preview chapters was Arianne II, not Arianne I. Worldbuilding is good and all but let's get moving for once...
 
I'm not expecting Martin's writing style to change from what we got in AFFC/ADWD. There's no reason why he'd start spitting out slim and efficient chapters all of a sudden.
 

Fuzzy

I would bang a hot farmer!
I also have not read the 3 novellas and the history book... I have two of the novellas sitting at home though
There are 5 novellas. The 3 D&E stories + The Princess and the Queen (Dance of the Dragons story) + The Rogue Prince (prequel to TPatQ).
 

jett

D-Member
Is anyone interested in a full series group reread starting in a few weeks? bengraven suggested doing this, and I think it might be fun.

Chapter counts:
AGoT: 73
ACoK: 70
ASoS: 82
AFFC: 46
ADwD: 73
Total: 344

If we wanted to read the series in about 40 weeks, it'd take 8-9 chapters per week.

I'd be down. I've been wanting to re-read the series to refresh my memory.
 
so would that be the new OT, or would there a re-read thread and a new book OT? (considering we're nearing 400 pages)

This thread is almost at 20k posts, so yeah, a new thread will have to be made soonish anyway. Do people want a separate thread for the re-read? It's not as if this one is really that active anyway.
 
In book order or chronological order?
Either way. I haven't done the mixed AFFC/ADWD before, so that might be a fun way to do it.
Wouldn't be one chapter = one day be more clear in that case, so seven chapters per week?
We can do whatever people want. I just figured we'd probably want to finish before the next season of the show starts, thus the ~40 week timeline.
so would that be the new OT, or would there a re-read thread and a new book OT? (considering we're nearing 400 pages)
We'd probably do a new OT for the reread. No need to clutter up this thread, though it would hopefully inspire a lot of new book discussion. I can see it either way. A reread & community thread might work out well.
This thread is almost at 20k posts, so a new thread will have to be made soonish anyway.
That's a good point. I hadn't realized that we were that close to topping off this one. Is anyone interested in prepping a new Community thread for when the time comes?
 

CassSept

Member
We're close, yeah, but at the current pace we're moving a page a month at average, so this thread should still last for over 3 months, unless GRRM drops a surprise preview chapter, which I doubt would happen so soon after the last one.
 

Tubie

Member
We're close, yeah, but at the current pace we're moving a page a month at average, so this thread should still last for over 3 months, unless GRRM drops a surprise preview chapter, which I doubt would happen so soon after the last one.

We would reach the cap very fast if we do the re-read and talk about it here. Better to just make OT2 early so we don't have to worry about it later.
 

Brakke

Banned
I'm halfway through AFFC + ADWD reread myself. Not really interested in rolling all the way back to the beginning but I'd be down to follow along and participate in such a thread. Maybe get inspired to go pluck out individual chapters that get people excited.

I definitely recommend taking on AFFC + ADWD combined. I'm enjoying that much more than when I originally did them separately.

He was forbidden to return under pain of death whilst Balon still lived right? I doubt he could just roll in with his crew, get past everyone and kill the Lord of the Iron Islands. The man without a face waiting on a bridge with a crow on it's shoulder prophecy can't really be anything else as well.

Oh yeah I vaguely remember this. At the time I just thought it *was* Euron. That he's himself Faceless, or at least a sworerer of some kind. Goddamn this series has too many prophecies...

Plus Euron = Daario works better if Euron is Faceless or has trained with Faceless or knows their techniques :p
 
Is anyone interested in a full series group reread starting in a few weeks? bengraven suggested doing this, and I think it might be fun.

Chapter counts:
AGoT: 73
ACoK: 70
ASoS: 82
AFFC: 46
ADwD: 73
Total: 344

If we wanted to read the series in about 40 weeks, it'd take 8-9 chapters per week.

I'll do it. I haven't read through the series since right before ADWD came out.
 

Kinokou

Member
If there is a new thread for a reread please link it so I can keep up lurking.

This would be a great excuse to pick up a kindle version of the books, but 8 chapters a week will be a little too fast for me in the coming months. But whoever are in, have fun!
 

bengraven

Member
Glad to see so many people down with this!

- Someone mentioned the combined books and yes, I was actually considering taking that into consideration. When we get to those two books maybe we'll put the alternative chapters. If I'm going to do the updating, I'll be going with a specific "remix", the one I personally will be reading, so maybe we can agree on one...? I have one already from a fellow GAFfer who remixed it years ago (don't worry folks, I have two physical copies and one digi copy legit purchased of each book - :p ) - so if I can find out which version that is I'll go with that.

- 7-9 chapters sounds like a lot, but I think we all are pretty fast to faster-than-average readers so it wouldn't be an issue - especially a book series we obviously already love.

- the plan, I think, will be to start on the Sunday after the final episode. It gives us something to do on Sunday nights!


Now something else I've considered but I'm worried about having too many threads: I think it might be nice to do a second thread for people who want to start reading the books? Maybe get the TV viewers who are going to jump in? That said, we'd all stay out of there except for whomever does the weekly updates.

I think it would be great to do something to encourage them to read the books, but also would be fun to read them talking back and forth about stuff in the books that's on the show. Ah, to be GRRM virgins again...
 
- Someone mentioned the combined books and yes, I was actually considering taking that into consideration. When we get to those two books maybe we'll put the alternative chapters. If I'm going to do the updating, I'll be going with a specific "remix", the one I personally will be reading, so maybe we can agree on one...? I have one already from a fellow GAFfer who remixed it years ago (don't worry folks, I have two physical copies and one digi copy legit purchased of each book - :p ) - so if I can find out which version that is I'll go with that.
Sean T Collins put one together here at boiledleather.com. Not sure if that's the one you're talking about. A Ball of Beasts has another one.
- 7-9 chapters sounds like a lot, but I think we all are pretty fast to faster-than-average readers so it wouldn't be an issue - especially a book series we obviously already love.
It's a fair bit to get through weekly, though we've all read it before, so it isn't that big of a deal if you skip a few chapters here and there.
- the plan, I think, will be to start on the Sunday after the final episode. It gives us something to do on Sunday nights!
Sounds good to me.
 

Brakke

Banned
I'm doing the boiled leather one. There's two versions of it, one for experienced readers and one that's contorted and whack to preserve the Dorne/Doran/Quent reveal. The second seems like more trouble than it's worth but I guess if we're calling out to new readers we oughta go with that? We'll have a few months before we get there I guess, can make that call once we know how many unsullied ride along.

Should probably put the thread up today or tomorrow if you wanna start this week. Give people a chance to grab the first book.
 

tirminyl

Member
I am in for the re-read.

A co-worker is a third of the way through the second book and he asks me questions after he completes a chapter. Answering makes me realize how fun it was reading the books, plus it will help refresh my memory when he asks questions.

I'll keep an eye out for the new thread, if one is created, to re-read with you all. I've never done this with a group before. Should be fun!
 

Brakke

Banned
I went through both books on Kindle and put a note at the end of each chapter that should be followed by a chapter in the other book. If you're on Kindle too you can use the Location numbers to recreate the same GOTO notes: Crows. Dragons.
 

B.K.

Member
I went through both books on Kindle and put a note at the end of each chapter that should be followed by a chapter in the other book. If you're on Kindle too you can use the Location numbers to recreate the same GOTO notes: Crows. Dragons.

If you have a Kindle and own the books, just download A Ball of Beasts. It would save a lot of time and trouble going back and forth between books.
 
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