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A year later, how does Overwatch compare to Team Fortress 2?
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CountAntonius
Member
I played TF2 for much longer and enjoyed it much more. Overwatch is fun and better balanced but those insane 32 player servers built better communities.
King Gilga
Member
2 fort > anything in overwatch.
Lost all interest in TF2 once they start adding all the alternate weapons and bull shit.
Hope blizzard won't ever do that, keep the characters pure.
tbh TF2 has an unfair advantage because server communities > matchmaking.
Lost all interest in TF2 once they start adding all the alternate weapons and bull shit.
Hope blizzard won't ever do that, keep the characters pure.
tbh TF2 has an unfair advantage because server communities > matchmaking.
Like, there's some stuff in there which is right, but when you get down to the overall gameflow and way mechanics work they are so vastly different you can't compare them much. One is a traditional class based FPS straight out the 90s, the other is this new MOBA/FPS hybrid thing with less emphasis on traditional FPS play.
Cipher Peon
Banned
While I think Overwatch is fine, I played it daily in October for the badass Reaper and Mercy skins and came up short. I quit after that.
It doesn't help that I wasn't really having fun playing it, at the time there was no Capture the Flag (the only game mode in MP games that I really care about), and I REALLY despise Payload as a gametype.
I put over 600 hours in TF2 and loved every second of it. Even when I was grinding for skins, I had a blast managing its economy and having fun. Also the fact that a game in TF2 has infinitely less pressure means so much in terms of I can just chill while playing. Playing Overwatch is way too involving and you can't do anything besides play the game because of the culture that the game cultivates. In TF2 I can goof around or multitask because the moment to moment stakes are much lower and I can still do well and have a great time.
It doesn't help that I wasn't really having fun playing it, at the time there was no Capture the Flag (the only game mode in MP games that I really care about), and I REALLY despise Payload as a gametype.
I put over 600 hours in TF2 and loved every second of it. Even when I was grinding for skins, I had a blast managing its economy and having fun. Also the fact that a game in TF2 has infinitely less pressure means so much in terms of I can just chill while playing. Playing Overwatch is way too involving and you can't do anything besides play the game because of the culture that the game cultivates. In TF2 I can goof around or multitask because the moment to moment stakes are much lower and I can still do well and have a great time.
TheSadRanger
Banned
This, pre items TF2 and post are two completely different animals.
Rickenslacker
Banned
As someone who's put thousands of hours into TF2 and hundreds in Overwatch, it really isn't -- and the video doesn't say anything about that either way so I'm not sure of its relevance.
QuantumSquid
Member
The only reason TF2 is as popular as it is is because it's free. If it still cost money, the game would be toast. Compare the popularity of TF2 to CS:GO, and then consider that CS:GO isn't free. TF2's numbers are much less impressive when you consider those things.
Yeah, you're right. Overwatch has a cowboy. TF2 just isn't the same.
King Gilga
Member
It was on consoles, it just wasn't supported.
they don't have much in common. Not sure I'll play OW for 2000 hours as I did with TF2, unless they fix the shitass mm which is possibly the worst I've ever encountered.
Still they didn't dethrone RTCW as the best online FPS game I played, and probably not even BF2's
oh yeah, one more thing: OW's community is, as you all know, just fucking horrible. Waves and waves of rude assholes shouting their insults without even taking a breath. That alone dampens the experience a great deal
Still they didn't dethrone RTCW as the best online FPS game I played, and probably not even BF2's
oh yeah, one more thing: OW's community is, as you all know, just fucking horrible. Waves and waves of rude assholes shouting their insults without even taking a breath. That alone dampens the experience a great deal
Taco_Human
Member
Tf2 still has better shooting mechanics. Doing well as scout is still super fucking satisfying.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Overwatch has ults, abilities on cooldowns, a greater importance on team compositions, is limited to 6v6, has no loadouts on the individual characters, has headshots as a universal mechanic, wall climbing, and so much more to differentiate it -- but if you want to look at it reductively they both have capture point and payload objective gametypes so I guess they're the same. Just like all fighting games are the same because they're about reducing the opponent to KO.
Sparrowhawk
Member
I still go back to TF2 sometimes just to mess around on 2Fort for a bit. I don't mind the cosmetics and stuff, but I really wish they wouldn't have given the classes new weapons and all that.
Overwatch, on the other hand, has become more and more frustrating to me. I loved it and played it every day for a while, but it doesn't feel the same anymore. There has been a lot of good stuff added, but it feels unbalanced to me or something. The community has also grown more toxic since day one.
Overwatch, on the other hand, has become more and more frustrating to me. I loved it and played it every day for a while, but it doesn't feel the same anymore. There has been a lot of good stuff added, but it feels unbalanced to me or something. The community has also grown more toxic since day one.
You can be snarky all you want, but you're wrong.
WaterAstro
Member
TF2 didn't have this much porn about it.
Rickenslacker
Banned
You'd be surprised.
WaterAstro
Member
It has porn, but not like Overwatch.
Overwatch has so much porn that it shames a single pornstar's career.
MetalliCabombination
Member
Needs way more maps
I still prefer TF2.
Haven't found any classes in OW as enjoyable as playing Engineer or Pyro (degreaser + axe).
I just hate the way OW handles team balancing. I've lost count of how many times I've seen level 300-400 players stacked on the other team while my own team doesn't have a single player above level 200. It's total bullshit.
OW's community is toxic as well. I actually made some cool friends while playing TF2 and never noticed any bullying. Overwatch on the otherhand is saturated in assholes to the point where it's beneficial to shut off chat and mics.
Haven't found any classes in OW as enjoyable as playing Engineer or Pyro (degreaser + axe).
I just hate the way OW handles team balancing. I've lost count of how many times I've seen level 300-400 players stacked on the other team while my own team doesn't have a single player above level 200. It's total bullshit.
OW's community is toxic as well. I actually made some cool friends while playing TF2 and never noticed any bullying. Overwatch on the otherhand is saturated in assholes to the point where it's beneficial to shut off chat and mics.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
I lived and breathed TFC and TF 1.5, but TF2 never really hooked me. Some fun maps though.
Love overwatch, though i've only put a few dozen hours into it. Seems like to get good in it you really need to learn how different heroes synergize with each other.
Love overwatch, though i've only put a few dozen hours into it. Seems like to get good in it you really need to learn how different heroes synergize with each other.
When exactly was the last time you played TF2? Valve has been running a worldwide network of ad free vanilla servers since 2011.
Well all the playable characters are male except maybe the Pyro.
TF2 only has 2 main female characters, one of which is an old woman so I think it's not that surprising that Overwatch has a lot more porn.
CannonFodder52
Member
Played OW for about a month when it came out. Burnt out pretty quickly in comparison to the years of TF2 that I played.
It feels like it's lacking some of the better aspects of the quake type games that TF2 retained. Also, all the characters move at crawling slow speed.
It feels like it's lacking some of the better aspects of the quake type games that TF2 retained. Also, all the characters move at crawling slow speed.
Totally slipped my mind, but the level of support is total planes of existances apart. Blizzard asked a call of duty developer to help them make the handling for OW on consoles, not to mention they are still tweaking things like sensitivity to this day. Gabe hated ps3 and let EA do a shit port job and 360 never got anything past like 2 bug fix patches.
Sparrowhawk
Member
This is a big part of it for me, too - you could play seriously or you could just goof off in the background. I spent so much time on 2Fort in the battlements trying to do trick shots as a Sniper, or sneaking into the enemy base and doing the whole "FYI I am a Spy" thing. Even in Arcade Mode in Overwatch, you have to be objective focused the entire time or people will start giving you shit.
The base gameplay in TF2 is and really always has been just way ahead of Overwatch, but a bunch of my friends recently got in to PC gaming and that means they get exposed to Overwatch so that's what we play. I'll still go in alone for a few TF2 matches every once in awhile though. I'm excited for whatever the TF2 team has left to put in to the game as we approach it's decade old anniversary. That said I do love both games plenty.
Kageshinzo
Member
King Gilga
Member
Please god no, just keep making more heroes instead of going that bullshit route.
Comparing a game that is 10 years old to one that is 1... I feel like that speaks more volume to TF2 longevity rather than Overwatch, which was a heavily marketed, heavily produced, and heavily pushed title from one of the three major gaming companies vs a title that was one of 5 on the same disc. Meant to largely be a side dish.
They are two entirely different games. TF2 at it's core is a shooter. Overwatch is closer to DOTA than a shooter.
They are two entirely different games. TF2 at it's core is a shooter. Overwatch is closer to DOTA than a shooter.
I tried Overwatch at the Beta and it seemed to me just a tighter Team Fortress 2 with meter management. That said, I got bored of Team Fortress 2 years ago. While going F2P breathed new life into the game, it really ruined the gameplay. The game used to have tight balance and fantastic visual cues. Today's it's a mess.
Pretty much. Though it is Blizzard. Then again, do we still hear from StarCraft II and Diablo III much? Serious question.
Pretty much. Though it is Blizzard. Then again, do we still hear from StarCraft II and Diablo III much? Serious question.
Is Street Fighter different to Guilty Gear like how Street Fighter is different to Animal Crossing?
SoundPulse
Banned
Personally speaking, TF2 lasted a hell of a lot longer for me. I played an obscene amount of TF2 over the course of like ten years. I played a bunch of Overwatch when it was new, but that's swiftly dropped to nothing. I just got tired of it. I don't really play TF2 much either now, but that's more because TF2, to me, was jumping in a pub (Valve) server, stomping it for an hour or so, and then leaving. I can still do that, but the matchmaking update changed the feel of it.
You're right, your opinion is the only correct one.
Overwatch is widely considered a great game. TF2 is/was as well. They can coexist.
Laieon
Member
I've tried playing TF2 multiple times, felt too complicated to me and I never really understood how the game was supposed to work, so I probably put in less than 10 hours.
I've put about 60 hours into Overwatch over the past year, I really, really enjoy it. Characters are great, art is great, maps are fun. Fantastic game overall. (And yes, I know 60 isn't a lot, but I don't have that much time to sit down and play games these days unfortunately). Overwatch is probably the 3rd FPS I've ever truly loved, the others being Call of Duty: Modern Warefare and Timesplitters 2.
I've put about 60 hours into Overwatch over the past year, I really, really enjoy it. Characters are great, art is great, maps are fun. Fantastic game overall. (And yes, I know 60 isn't a lot, but I don't have that much time to sit down and play games these days unfortunately). Overwatch is probably the 3rd FPS I've ever truly loved, the others being Call of Duty: Modern Warefare and Timesplitters 2.
I don't play multiplayer games that much -- I only ever played maybe 30 hours of TF2, but this is one thing I always liked about it compared to current MP games. One of the reasons I don't play MP games all that much is because I just don't like matchmaking. I think it's too anonymous which might be what facilitates a lot of the bad behavior you see in online games. The times I did play TF2 I liked being able to find a server with a dedicated community of players who actually talked, interacted, organized, moderated, and did things together a certain way. It like you were actually going to a place where people hung out to play games instead of just messing around with some random people. Basically it felt a lot friendlier than matchmaking.
I always hoped consoles would either allow private dedicated servers or something equivalent to let players set up their own persistent communities.
What PC games even still do private dedicated servers?
Leafhopper
Banned
I stopped playing TF2 long before Overwatch came out. On December 31st 2010, I remember that because it was the last day of the year, I was just sick of it. For me Overwatch is just something I can keep having fun with. The dynamic is different enough.
QuantumSquid
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TheRedSnifit
Member
Things TF2 had which Overwatch did not borrow:
- Emphasis on advanced mobility (rocket jumping, air pogos, Scout speed, etc.) and Quake-style deathmatch classes (Scout/Soldier/Demo)
- Custom servers and map editor.
- Offbeat sense of humor
Things TF2 had which Overwatch did borrow:
- Boring, low-skill tank classes
- Irritating stun mechanics
- Updates that consist largely of buggy, half-baked "events" designed solely to push loot crates.
- Janky hit boxes
Things TF2 did not have, which Overwatch added:
- Cooldowns on everything
I personally prefer the things in the first group, but I guess 20 million people disagree :/
- Emphasis on advanced mobility (rocket jumping, air pogos, Scout speed, etc.) and Quake-style deathmatch classes (Scout/Soldier/Demo)
- Custom servers and map editor.
- Offbeat sense of humor
Things TF2 had which Overwatch did borrow:
- Boring, low-skill tank classes
- Irritating stun mechanics
- Updates that consist largely of buggy, half-baked "events" designed solely to push loot crates.
- Janky hit boxes
Things TF2 did not have, which Overwatch added:
- Cooldowns on everything
I personally prefer the things in the first group, but I guess 20 million people disagree :/
Slime Scholar
Member
IMO, the core TF2 game is still amazing. It's probably one of my most played games, ever. It's just bloated with too many half-baked ideas and it suffers from serious jank. Valve looked like they were turning that around in 2015 but they've been quiet for a while now. But if you can look past that (and I can, most of the time) then there's really a lot of fun to be had. It's the ultimate casual shooter, for me.
Overwatch, conversely, is a game I don't like nearly as much but it's polished to a shine. The core game has a lot of little frustrations that don't really click with me. I don't like abilities being on cooldowns, because I don't find it to be a fun or interesting form of resource management. I don't like the way characters encroach on each other's roles, and I don't really like the 6v6 format. But the presentation and "feel" of the game makes all of the characters' toys feel fun to use. If only they were half as fun to play against.
Both are great games. I think TF2's better at its core, but Overwatch is more well put-together. They're really difficult to compare, though, because they're very different experiences.
Team Fortress 2 has the funnier, more well-written characters, though. It's not even a contest, especially if you read the comics.
Overwatch, conversely, is a game I don't like nearly as much but it's polished to a shine. The core game has a lot of little frustrations that don't really click with me. I don't like abilities being on cooldowns, because I don't find it to be a fun or interesting form of resource management. I don't like the way characters encroach on each other's roles, and I don't really like the 6v6 format. But the presentation and "feel" of the game makes all of the characters' toys feel fun to use. If only they were half as fun to play against.
Both are great games. I think TF2's better at its core, but Overwatch is more well put-together. They're really difficult to compare, though, because they're very different experiences.
Team Fortress 2 has the funnier, more well-written characters, though. It's not even a contest, especially if you read the comics.
Jeff Kaplan & the rest of the Overwatch team at Blizzard are doing a fantastic job supporting the game and engaging with the community. They well and truly have embarrassed the TF2 team (and I doubt they give much of shit) on how to handle an MP, service based game. In terms of QOL features, matchmaking & optimization Overwatch is extremely impressive.
But honestly, I eventually got bored of it and went back to TF2. Nothing can beat TF2 in terms of sheer dumb fun.
Also, LOL at the predictable "TF2 is dad!" posts. It's still going strong years later even if it's not as popular as it used to be and despite the incompetent TF2 team's numerous fuckups recently.
But honestly, I eventually got bored of it and went back to TF2. Nothing can beat TF2 in terms of sheer dumb fun.
Also, LOL at the predictable "TF2 is dad!" posts. It's still going strong years later even if it's not as popular as it used to be and despite the incompetent TF2 team's numerous fuckups recently.