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Alan Wake - The First 12 Minutes (German)
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yeah it's a waste really. why bother putting all those details in the scene and then bury them all under a blurry mess. I don't know why they chose this but it's really surprising considering Remedy's long history with PC games. I would rather play a game on medium setting at higher resolution than maximum setting at very low resolution. what's the point of all the extra details when you can't see them? Resolution is the last thing you want to sacrifice in 3D graphics, high resolution has far more impact on image quality than say HDR or lighting or shadows since all the buzz about HD content and HDTVs etc when they first introduced. There is a reason why 720p is considered HD, because it can contain enough information to look sharp, detailed and impressive enough to human eyes. I will play the game anyway but I had higher expectations after all these years. I'm very disappointed that all they've showed so far were bullshots. I hope the game delivers, visually I've played far better games on 360. this is not very special to be honest.WickedLaharl said:if not for the 4xAA it would look just about as bad as the battle sequences in SO4.
which is to say that it looks terrible. all those fancy lighting effects lost in a blurry mess.
what a shame
JaseC said:I think he's just summing up brain_stew's posts in the thread. :lol
Whatever i guess. It just came off sounding like some weak taunt towards people looking forward to the game. Hopefully we get better screens as the game nears release. Abit too blury even for SD standards,no?
I don't know what that has to do with it, I just look at what I see and I think it looks amazing.JaseC said:
That shot of the lumberjack? "Blurry, detail-lacking". Really?
But whatever, I've never been able to understand this board when it comes to all the graphics nitpicking. I didn't even know Halo 3 was supposed to be a "jaggy mess" until I started reading Halo threads more closely.
I'm glad they finally gave us an answer. So the game is rendered subHD to facilitate all the various layers of postprocessing, which is fine by me. Light, darkness and mood play a key role in the gameplay so the game would fall into pieces if it didn't have all the postprocessing. An example of that would be this
No postprocessing
Various layers of PP included
No postprocessing
Various layers of PP included
Relaxed Muscle
Member
WickedLaharl said:if not for the 4xAA it would look just about as bad as the battle sequences in SO4.
which is to say that it looks terrible. all those fancy lighting effects lost in a blurry mess.
what a shame
SO4 battles were 490p or so, how was AW look that bad? :lol
And SO4 engine was a mess, sub-HD or not.
WickedLaharl said:if not for the 4xAA it would look just about as bad as the battle sequences in SO4.
which is to say that it looks terrible. all those fancy lighting effects lost in a blurry mess.
what a shame
Well I recently played SO4 at a friend's house and yeah the battle sequences were really blurry with a lot of jaggies, on the other hand having played Conviction yesterday a game which also runs at sub-HD (1024x576 w/2xAA) looks really sharp upscaled at 1080p on my set with 1:1 pixel mapping - looks almost like a 720p game with no AA which was what I thought when I played the demo before the pixel-counts appeared.
My point is that after the latest videos of AW we've seen where it definitely look good and of course blim's very positive impressions there is a chance that AW will not look like a blurry mess...I'm sure the 4xAA and the excellent upscaling of the 360 will help a lot.
NemesisPrime
Banned
Digital Foundry has done an analysis of the Allan Wake footage and they are pretty impressed by the graphics. So haters gonna troll... etc etc...
brotkasten
Member
MightyHedgehog said:
You're right. We definitely need some gifs in this thread.
pringles said:
My point is they've had the resources to make this a fantastic-looking game, and have even talked about how it is so, but those screenshots would suggest otherwise. (As I implied in one of my earlier posts, however, the game does look better in the videos).
Fair enough. I wasn't trying to convince you otherwise, just emphatically disagreeing.
Absolutely.
That shouldn't be surprising considering the game completely lacks AA.
Rat Salad said:
Despite the similarities, I was kidding :lol
LordPhoque
Banned
JaggedSac said:
Some people decided it was sub-HD period, no matter how many times Remedy says it's not. Also, didn't you get the memo ? Game looks horrible now.
Can't wait for the reviews to confirm that it's indeed one of the best looking games on console. At least haters won't ruin the official thread if it's the case.
WickedLaharl
Member
has there been any official videos or screenshots released that are not purposely misleading? i haven't been able to find any.
http://www.andriasang.com/galleries/2010/04/16/alan_wake/2132412617_full.jpg
seeing screenshots like this one and comparing them to what the actual game looks like kinda pisses me off.
http://www.andriasang.com/galleries/2010/04/16/alan_wake/2132412617_full.jpg
seeing screenshots like this one and comparing them to what the actual game looks like kinda pisses me off.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
WickedLaharl said:
how can a video of the game play (not cutscene) be purposely misleading ?
Qwerty710710
a child left behind
best looking console game bar none.
LordPhoque said:
Because if a reviewer says it, it has to be true. I wonder if Alan Wake will have an "Oscar Caliber story" like Grand Theft Auto 4?
I find the differences between the cut scenes and the gameplay a little jarring. I feel like the more seamless a game is visually between the cutscenes and the gameplay, the more cinematic a game feels. In this regard, Alan Wake reminds me of Resident Evil 5 than it does some other games that are better at pulling this off.
LordPhoque
Banned
Shurs said:
When it comes to the graphics, reviewers are generally right. Actually it's already possible to see that the game is one of the best looking ones to come out this year just by looking at the gameplay videos.
You were not complaining about reviews praising the graphics of UC2, right ?
Always-honest
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Qwerty710710 said:
Qwerty710710
a child left behind
metareferential
Member
LordPhoque said:
Great review on other systems = bribes.
Great review on one's system of choice = Pulitzer-worthy game journalism / truth revealed to the masses. :lol
Compton's Most Wanted
Member
I keep bouncing between "most impressive visuals ever" (after watching videos) to "this looks terrible" (after looking closely at a few gameplay pics).
Lovely Salsa
Banned
Its pretty simple, Alan Wake was supposed to be a PC game at first.
Now its xbox 360 exclusive, downgraded graphics is what you get from that.
Now its xbox 360 exclusive, downgraded graphics is what you get from that.
Qwerty710710
a child left behind
too bad it's the truth no other game on any console comes close.Always-honest said:
LordPhoque said:
I wasn't one of the ones complaining about sub-perfect 10 scores for Uncharted 2's graphics. The game wasn't without its flaws. For example, the eye shine on some of the characters was distracting. Let's be clear though, I do feel Uncharted 2 is a visual step above Alan Wake. I think I'll leave it at that for now.
aries_71
Junior Member
silenthill1979 said:
You're right. If they are reading these comments across the different forums, some at Remedy will be dissapointed, while others will be mad because they anticipated the backslash generated by some of their tech decisions. Every sacrifice in resolution to gain some post-process effect would have been discussed among them.
If something is to be learned from the GAF reaction to Halo 3 is never, EVER, sacrifice resolution or anti-aliasing to better image/light effects. All the HDR, double buffer, lighting-engine generated little positive feedback compared to the sub-HD, no AA backslash.
longdi
Banned
daxter01 said:there is noway game is this blury, something is wrong with these pics,i mean come on look at this one
Definitely upscaled. At 4xmsaa and 540p upscaling, in motion instead of blown up jagged edges, you get blown up smoother-ed edges. The msaa will end up a bit of a waste. msaa works better together with higher resolution.
Can try it with a PC game, let ATI/Nvidia driver upscale to 1080p a low resolution, you will see what i meant.
Always-honest
Banned
that's not bad. i would love that. have yet to see it in person though.Qwerty710710 said:
are you 12?
Sniper McBlaze
Member
Heh, this video actually made me preorder it.
When a game says it's inspired by Twin Peaks and Lost you just fucking buy it.
When a game says it's inspired by Twin Peaks and Lost you just fucking buy it.
DangerousDave
Member
Lovely Salsa, you should change your avatar, before getting banned by a mod.
Sniper McBlaze
Member
DangerousDave said:
Somehow I don't think he really cares.
NemesisPrime
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Dabanton said:
Trolls can't be bargained with. Trolls can't be reasoned with. Trolls don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you admit Allan Wake is shit.