DennisK4 said:Right, because getting both solid, fun gameplay AND 720p is clearly impossible.
Well, it certainly seems that way for Alan Wake, going by the tone this thread continues to dive into. :lol
DennisK4 said:Right, because getting both solid, fun gameplay AND 720p is clearly impossible.
chandoog said:No ?
this is obviously nothing as 'amazing' as pixel counting but we've already seen how HD caps from actual gameplay are somewhat cleaner than this batch of horrid blurred shots.
Spokeys said:Will this affect enjoyment of the game that much if it is indeed not 720p?
Spokeys said:In a perfect Neogaf people would be crying tears of sheer joy at the fact that a new Remedy game is almost upon us, not bitching about something as stupid as resolution!
Will this affect enjoyment of the game that much if it is indeed not 720p?
Jigsaw said:cod runs at 20% higher resolution than alan wake (and manages to run at 60fps without tearing,compared to not so steady 30fps with tearing)
mw 1024x600 614.400 pixel
alan wake 960x540 518.400 pixel
killzone 2 960x1080 1.036.800 pixel
Funny, because watching the gameplay videos I didn't go "damn, that shit was blurry as hell and lacked detail", and more importantly neither has anyone who has actually played the game (the response to AW's visuals has been overwhelmingly positive). IMO what you're doing is worse than trolling. You throw stones then hide your hands behind this "debate". At least keep it real.brain_stew said:Eh, I'm not going to even attempt to bunk that hogwash, its already been done a dozen times. The game is 540p and will look just as blurry (if not more considering most will again be scaling the image to 768p or 1080p and displaying it on much larger screens) as those direct captures. Alan Wake uses the second lowest rendering resolution of any retail game released on the 360 thus far. So yes, you better believe that the image is going to be rather blurry/hazy/fuzzy/pixelated/lacking detail, whatever you want to call it.
Yes, absolutely. If it didn't then nobody on GAF would have purchased a HDTV.
Raide said:Or maybe some people are just not that fussed about numbers and would prefer solid gameplay and fun from their games?
Why do you care so much about this?brain_stew said:Eh, I'm not going to even attempt to bunk that hogwash, its already been done a dozen times. The game is 540p and will look just as blurry (if not more considering most will again be scaling the image to 768p or 1080p and displaying it on much larger screens) as those direct captures. Alan Wake uses the second lowest rendering resolution of any retail game released on the 360 thus far. So yes, you better believe that the image is going to be rather blurry/hazy/fuzzy/pixelated/lacking detail, whatever you want to call it.
cgcg said:I'm guessing some of you don't have HDTV and only game on SDTV right? I'm guessing that's why you are fine with 540P. That's not too far from 480P.
cgcg said:So no HDTV then? I mean image resolution is pretty much the only reason for getting a HDTV. Gaming on SDTV don't change the *fun.*
actually 960x547.. you are losing 6.720 important pixels! don't do that!Jigsaw said:cod runs at 20% higher resolution than alan wake (and manages to run at 60fps without tearing,compared to not so steady 30fps with tearing)
mw 1024x600 614.400 pixel
alan wake 960x540 518.400 pixel
killzone 2 960x1080 1.036.800 pixel
shinnn said:actually 960x547.. you are losting 6.720 important pixels! don't do that!
Shogun PaiN said:The fact that the game got torn out of PC gamers hands has left many of them bitter. I mean this is the same bunch that eat up all the free stuff quality from Valve and then decide to boycott one of their games because its out a year later than the first.
Remedy are quality developers with a proven track record but none of that matters now because the game is 360 exclusive.
The fuck does it matter to you? You don't have a 360. Why do you care?brain_stew said:Enough with the conspiracy bullshit. The game was advertised (and hyped on these forums) as a showcase 360 title. The game was advertised as a HD game. Alan Wake in reality has a resolution much closer to SDTV than HDTV and yet you're surprised people are disappointed? Stop shrugging this off with conspiracy thereoies and stop trying to downplay it as much as you can. It is a big deal for a lot of people and it absolutely does suck and is pretty damn indefensible given the misleading nature of all offical PR material.
540p =/= 600p =/= 640p =/= 720p. Its actually a lot lower than your usual "sub HD" resolution and yes, it is a big deal and will detract tremendously from the overall quality of the graphical presentation.
He and shurs and the others are concerned. that's all :lolDax01 said:The fuck does it matter to you? You don't have a 360. Why do you care?
Dax01 said:The fuck does it matter to you? You don't have a 360. Why do you care?
brain_stew said:Enough with the conspiracy bullshit. The game was advertised (and hyped on these forums) as a showcase 360 title. The game was advertised as a HD game. Alan Wake in reality has a resolution much closer to SDTV than HDTV and yet you're surprised people are disappointed? Stop shrugging this off with conspiracy thereoies and stop trying to downplay it as much as you can. It is a big deal for a lot of people and it absolutely does suck and is pretty damn indefensible given the misleading nature of all offical PR material.
540p =/= 600p =/= 640p =/= 720p. Its actually a lot lower than your usual "sub HD" resolution and yes, it is a big deal and will detract tremendously from the overall quality of the graphical presentation.
Compton's Most Wanted said:I would advise anyone confused by this recent HD fiasco to see the game in motion. It's unquestionably stunning. Is it sub-HD, yes. Is it STILL a visual benchmark on consoles, yes. Killzone 2 had some absolutely ugly gameplay stills, but the game itself was wonderful from a visual standpoint.
Shogun PaiN said:In what way in my post a conspiracy theory? Its a fact that PC gamers are bitter about Alan Wake and Remedy themselves. Ive already stated in this thread that after watching the videos nobody picked up on the supposed low resolution so why is it a problem after the pixel count?
Not everybody gives a shit about the technical side of a game.
You really didn't seem to care all that much about how the game looked, aside from "tearing/performance" until the pixel count was revealed. What's the difference now?brain_stew said:I don't? I guess that machine I picked up at launch five years ago was one of those cheap chinese knock off systems then?
brain_stew said:I don't? I guess that machine I picked up at launch five years ago was one of those cheap chinese knock off systems then?
Dax01 said:You really didn't seem to care all that much about how the game looked, aside from "tearing/performance" until the pixel count was revealed. What's the difference now?
Dax01 said:You really didn't seem to care all that much about how the game looked, aside from "tearing/performance" until the pixel count was revealed. What's the difference now?
Game looks really good in the trailer I downloaded off XBLM. I don't really see what people are so mad about.M.J. Doja said:Difference is now your mad.
MightyHedgehog said:Most of them probably would if they didn't place all their hopes in still captures when they're going to be playing a moving game. This sort of issue will probably come up more and more as the gen goes on where lots of motion-dependent effects will get completely lost in stills...with all of the choices made with the expectation of maximized quality and performance in motion adding up to a look that doesn't necessarily flatter in a frame-grab. Tekken 6 comes across this way.
"Modern renderers don't work by rendering everything to a certain final on-screen resolution, but use a combination of techniques and buffers to compose the final detail-rich frames, optimizing to improve the visual experience and game performance.
Alan Wake's renderer on the Xbox360 uses about 50 different intermediate render targets in different resolutions, color depths and anti-alias settings for different purposes. These are used for example for cascaded shadow maps from sun & moon, shadow maps from flashlights, flares and street lights, z-prepass, tiled color buffers, light buffers for deferred rendering, vector blur, screen-space ambient occlusion, auto-exposure, HUD, video buffers, menus and so on. In the end all are combined to form one 720p image, with all intermediate buffer sizes selected to optimize image quality and GPU performance. All together the render targets take about 80 MB of memory, equivalent in size to over twenty 720p buffers."
Dude, give it a rest. It doesn't matter what his motivation is for contributing to this thread. Your primary concern should be that Remedy has repeatedly touted their product as a visual showcase, running on 360 hardware at 720p with 4xAA.Dax01 said:You really didn't seem to care all that much about how the game looked, aside from "tearing/performance" until the pixel count was revealed. What's the difference now?
because before HDTV there was no funbrain_stew said:Yes, absolutely. If it didn't then nobody on GAF would have purchased a HDTV.
sshhh...it cant look good if it isn't 720p. If it turns out to be 720p it will look good again.Dax01 said:Game looks really good in the trailer I downloaded off XBLM. I don't really see what people are so mad about.
I dont own a 360 but I am a little jealous for this game. And I love these guys for not making the game look worse just to reach a certain resolution or AA level. That is not what makes a game look good.GreekWolf said:It's virtually guaranteed now that this simply isn't the case, as multiple sources have shown the game to be running at a comically lower resolution. This is a big deal, not because of the resolution change itself, but because a well-respected dev has been caught with their pants down.
Dax01 said:Game looks really good in the trailer I downloaded off XBLM. I don't really see what people are so mad about.
zoukka said:Didn't stop MGS4 to win goty in GAF.
D4Danger said:so the final image the 360 outputs is 720p but the "50 different intermediate render targets" can render at different resolutions.
I'm trying to understand this and the best I can do is imagine a Photoshop document and each effect is a layer. Some are rendered lower and scaled (for performance?) but the final composite is 720p.
yes? no?
brain_stew said:1024x768 is a much higher resolution than 960x540, fyi.
How do you know that video was captured from a console output and it's not like the all bullshots Remedy/Microsoft has released so far?Shogun PaiN said:I really do urge you and anybody ele in this thread with any doubts to switch on your Xbox 360 and download the video ''Building a Thriller'' The same video can be found on youtube but you get a much better idea of the games visuals when watching on your TV.
The video shows a lot of gameplay and this apparent Blur is nowhere to be seen. Some games just look spectacular in motion and this is one of them. Despite a lot of doubts in this thread its obvious the game is going to receive a hell of a lot of praise for its visuals.
Shogun PaiN said:I really do urge you and anybody ele in this thread with any doubts to switch on your Xbox 360 and download the video ''Building a Thriller'' The same video can be found on youtube but you get a much better idea of the games visuals when watching on your TV.
brain_stew said:1024x768 is a much higher resolution than 960x540, fyi.
Karma said:Blim has seen it running and he says it is one of the best looking console games. He is trustworthy.
Dax01 said:The fuck does it matter to you? You don't have a 360. Why do you care?
clashfan said:I think you have crossed over to insanity. :lol
GreekWolf said:Honestly, if it's confirmed that Remedy blatantly deceived their fanbase with this nonsense, then I'll have a difficult time plunking down my hard-earned pesos, on principle alone.
Red Dead on March 18th is starting to look much more appealing now.
sinny said:Why? he is right
Qwerty710710 said:He's just a troll who is probably a ps3 fanboy or a bitter pc fan. Ignore this goon. Wow so much shit for resolution Jesus Christ I wonder if you people have girlfriends.