That is exactly my point.
-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Albert Penello downplays XBO/PS4 difference in Tomb Raider; "we just shipped"
- Thread starter shinobi602
- Start date
- Status
That is exactly my point.
uncledonnie
Banned
I mean, if you want to downplay the differences that's fine, and I think there's even some substance to that argument. But don't come with this bullshit about the same performance, we just shipped, etc. People see right through that and everyone knows by now that there is a significant disparity.
I have and love both consoles, and would have to say I even prefer the X1 at this point. But this guy just comes off as a tool and makes MS look bad whenever he tries to talk tech.
I have and love both consoles, and would have to say I even prefer the X1 at this point. But this guy just comes off as a tool and makes MS look bad whenever he tries to talk tech.
So the DDR3 RAM that exists in the Xbone has a maximum bandwidth of 68 GB/sec. If they were to use an external RAM module connected via USB 3.0, they would be limited to a maximum bandwidth of .64 GB/sec. That is useless as a RAM solution, aside from the additional time that developers would have to spend in developing and testing games developed for multiple SKU's (particularly stressful for indies who MS is trying to court now).
The PS4 GDDR5 RAM has a maximum bandwidth of 176GB/sec. Again, external RAM is out of the question.
Drop the RAM expansion talk.
You are absolutely correct, but the difference being the PS3 was still on paper the superior machine tech wise. The difference was it was so freaking complicated to program for that only the first party studios could do anything with it.
Flash Forward to now. Not only is the PS4 much more powerful, it's much easier to program. That is a double whammy to the XB1. Exclusives like Ryse will look good yes but it's always going to lack in third party games. And it will only get worse as time goes by.
And believe me, I wanted so badly to have an Xbox One before I knew the specs on the machine (and of course all the bullshit drm policies). I played everything on 360 last gen, only used my PS3 as a Naughty God machine. There is no way I am going to pay for the XB1 right now when it is so severely gimped compared to it's competition.
andromeduck
Member
My point is that he knows the casuals who play COD, sports titles isn't going to care about what he says. Why he is even testing the core gamers and sites like ours though, I have no answer for that.
Yeah, this is a whole lot worse than being delusional. He's intentionally and willfully trying to deceive people and that's much worse.
It's the continual shit like this over the past year or so that's the reason I still don't own an Xbone. Constant dishonesty, an absolute sense that they think we are all morons who can be told anything and believe it, and an overall arrogance that bit Sony in the ass in the past has me disliking them as much, or more than, anyone in this industry at this point.
A.Romero
Gold Member
Shit, you are right. I remember there were differences and I assumed that it was one more example of third parties not performing as well on PS3.
I don't know why comments like this are such a big deal still, we've known there was a performance gap for like a year or longer now. This guy works for Microsoft and has a console to sell, of course he's going to spin things and downplay differences.
If Penello told the truth like GAF wants, then there'd be hundreds of headlines like 'Microsoft concedes defeat, admits PS4 more powerful' or whatever, which would be a much bigger PR clusterfuck.
If Penello told the truth like GAF wants, then there'd be hundreds of headlines like 'Microsoft concedes defeat, admits PS4 more powerful' or whatever, which would be a much bigger PR clusterfuck.
dragonelite
Member
Can accept that.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
WW Sony is in a comfortable lead with both COD and BF4. In the NPD thread didn't BF4 and COD sell more on PS4 as well?
There's people who can talk better about the memory stuff than but basically ps4s memory is all fast so there isn't anything you need to do to optimise access speed. On the xbo the small amount esram is much faster than the rest of the memory so making the best possible use of it is a key area for optimisation. PS4 solution will always be better but good use of esram can theoretically mitigate most of the difference.
And no, Sony will not up clock their CPU post launch.
This is a fair point actually that I hadn't considered. It is important for people that might be mislead that the BS is dispelled.
uncledonnie
Banned
This is just straight-up nonsense. Selective screenshots aside, Forza looks gorgeous.
I do agree that I would rather see 900p 60fps than 1080p 30fps.
Warm Machine
Member
Don't be ridiculous. Forza 5 look pretty amazing. Oh no it lacks AA, the horror. I'll take a 1080 60 Titanfall without AA.
This is all true but the problem is the casual audience has a $100 cheaper option and more information on the fact that those games either look or perform better on that cheaper option.
andromeduck
Member
not exactly
the PS3 had a far superior CPU but a weaker GPU - devs used the CPU strengths helped mitigate the GPU difference
That was more so due to the price of the consoles and the different times in which they released (which caused things such as, "I have more friends on Xbox Live") than anything else.
geordiemp
Member
Put yourself in his shoes and what would you say to put xbone in good light ?
1. Change subject
2. I would mention Ryse looking nice
3. mention exclusives and spread hope for 2014
4. Say its early and imply future driver improvements
There was not much else he could of said that was positive other than add cloud, but that's getting old fast
Don't get me wrong, were a 2 x Ps4 house, but they guy has a job and a position and what else can he say.
it always interests me - if you had a job and had to defend something really difficult - like say England cricket team last few months...how would you do it ?
1. Change subject
2. I would mention Ryse looking nice
3. mention exclusives and spread hope for 2014
4. Say its early and imply future driver improvements
There was not much else he could of said that was positive other than add cloud, but that's getting old fast
Don't get me wrong, were a 2 x Ps4 house, but they guy has a job and a position and what else can he say.
it always interests me - if you had a job and had to defend something really difficult - like say England cricket team last few months...how would you do it ?
This is a turnabout from last gen, and combined with the way MS has acted this past few years, this is just the perfect storm which leads to this sort of response. Forums, video game ones especially, like nothing more than a small group that desperately defends against the common belief. It's like a feeding frenzy.
Despite all that, things will even out this gen, more than than a gap widening. They are bigger difference this gen than last, but I think given the outcry about resolution and frame rate.. devs will respond with making Xbox One games reach 1080p/60 or at least match those values on PS4. However, since it's less powerful, you'll see compromises made in a less quantitative way. People want 1080p/60? Fine. match those numbers, and then take away detail and effects to achieve it. 1080 is fine, but I'd rather have the frame rate.
Spill the beans ^^
Kibbles
Member
What do we get now that it's double?
lol, this is all I need.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
It looks fine, mostly because it doesn't get stepped on by the sharpness filter.
Forza looked pretty subpar compared to Ryse in my opinion. They could have done so much more with the lighting and scenery at 900p60fps for Forza. The only amazing shots in Forza was Vista/Photo mode other then that it just looked like another racing game. Need for Speed to me looked better then Forza 5 with all the weather and effects.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
How do you explain the overwhelming majority of 3rd Party single player games selling more on 360 even when the consoles started reaching sales parity then?
I really like Forza 5 and I don't think it's ugly by any means but it's definitely not amazing. Titanfall though is pretty terrible looking(I know I know placeholder textures and whatnot - you guys might be surprised)
Geh, another thread explodin' and I have to play catch-up again.
He could just not say anything at all. Especially after the MS/Machinima hoedown, now is not the time to be spouting obviously deceptive bullshit in a vain attempt at downplaying the issue, when only the most die-hard MS fans can convince themselves the statements has any real merit beyond useless damage control.
He could just not say anything at all. Especially after the MS/Machinima hoedown, now is not the time to be spouting obviously deceptive bullshit in a vain attempt at downplaying the issue, when only the most die-hard MS fans can convince themselves the statements has any real merit beyond useless damage control.
Source is basic understand of computer architecture and also having read a shit load of threads about it on gaf over last year.
geordiemp
Member
What is the current clock of the Ps4 ? Do you know ?
How do you know It needs up-clocking ?
Keep going, I am enjoying it
COD and BF4, and Madden sold better on One than PS4 in December, no?
andromeduck
Member
suit yourself I personally find it pretty awful
2560x1600 is the resolution I normally wouldn't really mind no AA at
Well, I got a Matt sighting, I'm satisfied with this thread.
I pretty much feel the same way. I would prefer for Xbox One multipats to be 1080p (since my TV is 1080p) with the same frame rate as the PS4 versions. I don't care much about added visual details.
And again, that's what I think will be the case for most multiplats this current gen. -- 1080p at the same frame rate on both consoles but with the PS4 having more detail. Heck, that's pretty much the case for the majority of multipats now anyway.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Wasn't that just total game sales including 1st party but individual 3rd party titles were higher on PS4?
Source? How does 32MB of ESRAM make up for a full 8GB of faster RAM? It doesn't, it won't.
And source for your claim that Sony will not upclock post launch?
Thanks.
la flama blanca
Banned
Just don't address it. Nobody is asking for an explanation, he should be focused on positives, not negatives.
bigboss370
Member
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Your going to be disappointed.
My understanding was at the time the Cell was so advanced it was supposed to handle everything without a dedicated GPU. They had to throw that in because the devs simply couldn't learn the cell at the time and needed a GPU to code for. But because of how powerful the Cell was it overshadowed the difference in the GPU (on paper)?
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
If you don't give a shit about what the game looks like then why not just stick with the last gen version?
Marginally in the US. But if you are talking global multplatform software sales, pretty sure PS4 had a considerable lead.
Why do you think people are buying next gen consoles exactly? Or next gen versions of multplatform games?
viveks86
Member
Did Matt break his own record for shortest response of all time?
How about he doesn't lie and talks about positive things about the Xbone?
Or do you think the Xbone has nothing positive going for it? I hope Penello doesn't share that sentiment, as that would be quite bad.
MUST ALWAYS LIE THE ONLY WAY TO VICTORY
la flama blanca
Banned
It's not though, Killzone is way better looking.
- Status