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Shodan09

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Bob Lazar's word is gospel and every apparent contradiction in his story is because they wanted to discredit him.
After watching these two videos i stopped believing in Bob Lazars stories:








Additional info (from reddit):


If you believe Bob, you believe...


...A self confessed pimp



...Someone who fled Los Alamos after owing 100's of thousands of dollars to people. Resulting in Bob finally declaring bankruptcy which was finalised 1 year before his S4 story. Here is John Hornes account of the money Bob owed him and how he had to chase Bob for years. John was one of the lucky ones that got his money back. -> https://www.otherhand.org/home-page...re/the-bob-lazar-corner/los-alamos-interview/


Here is a list of Bob's creditors from the Bankruptcy case - including his parents



...A guy that said he was a physicist at LANL, however, people that knew Bob like John Horne, said he was a electronics technician at LANL. Bob also did an electronics course at Pierce College for which Stanton Friedman found records of. Bob's 1980 marriage cert lists him as being a electronic tech. In 1981 Bob was working at Fairchild/Xincom as an electronics Tech. Bob admitted that in a Wired article. In 1982 he shows up in LANL and told a reporter who wrote about his jetcar that he was a physicist. In 1989 he used the LANL phone dir to prove he worked there and in combination with the 1982 article used it all as proof he was a physicist there. Problem is, the LANL phone dir lists him working for a company called Kirk Mayer. Kirk Mayer only hired tech related roles like electronics technicians. They were formerly called Role-Tec. Bob on Billy Goodman back in 1989 said he started at LANL as a technician. He also told Corbell that in 1982 while working at LANL, that he went out and installed a Sat dish there. This is the year he told the jetcar article journo that he was a physicist there.


Wired article:
https://www.wired.com/1994/12/desert-blast/


Kirk-Mayer Ad listing roles they hired:



Bob saying he installed a Sat dish at LANL in ~ 1982



1980 Marriage cert showing Bob and Carol were Electroinc techs



Interview with a LANL tech who knew Bob as a tech at LANL



The wired article is about the Gun and firework show Bob ran in the desert called Desert Blast from 87 to 99. Here is a video of Desert Blast 12, Bob the organiser can be seen at :50 in.



Bob learnt to make fireworks from an Italian family he met that made them through generations. His main business at United Nuclear is selling fireworks material which he has been busted on several times.
https://www.justice.gov/civil/cpb/case/us-v-united-nuclear-scientific-supplies-et-al-0


...A guy who then ran a second illegal brothel just months after claiming to be at S4. He claimed he only installed a computer system there despite pleading guilty. But the police Affidavit shows they found the brothel Apt lease agreement with Bob's name on it, Also the hookers said Bob had interviewed them. He also installed surveilance cams in the trick rooms.


See here https://imgur.com/a/kolQrAj


Even George Knapp admitted Bob was a rebel who was into guns and hookers
https://youtu.be/eB7RSCYtyXI?t=535


...A guy who tells a crowd at Rachel in 1993 that he had professors Duxler and Hohsfield at MIT and Caltech. Neither were found to have taught at MIT and Caltech. Friedman found them to be Bob's Highschool and Pierce College teachers for which there is record of Bob attending. MIT and Caltech also told Friedman that Bob had not attended either school.


Bob saying he had Duxler and Hohsfield at MIt and Caltech at 45:30
https://youtu.be/SpaTKvEkdxU?t=2730


The start shows Bob's new corvette with MJ-12 plates, because Bob was super low key.


Here is Hohsfield in Bob's HS yearbook of the time - Bottom left https://i.imgur.com/lFY2TrV.jpg


Here is the Rachel conference organiser who wrote about how Bob laughed at other UFO talkers and had bailed on going to a paid interview in Japan and kept the money http://noriohayakawa2020.blogspot.com/2008/10/strange-behavior-of-bob-lazar-alleged.html


Stanton Friedman on Bob -> https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2v4rn4


Not even George Knapp believed Bob went to MIT or Caltech
https://youtu.be/K1viG6PRjiw?t=2697


Linda Moulton Howe recounts how Bob told her he never went to MIT or Caltech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlUzSox27Rk


Here is Bob saying he went to Pierce college
https://youtu.be/SpaTKvEkdxU?t=1877


...A guy who copied the Demon core story including the reactor design. The Demon Core story is a true story about a scientist who died opening a reactor. Bob had claimed that he replaced a scientist at S4 who died trying to open the alien reactor. Demon Core -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_core#/media/File:Partially-reflected-plutonium-sphere.jpeg


Bobs Alien Reactor Model - > https://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Bob_Lazar_S4_Disc_Images/S4_Disc_Reactor_5.gif


...Who copied the E115 story from the Scientific American article that came out just 2 weeks prior.


Copied Billy Meiers saucer


Reticuli alien origin from Betty and Barny.


And finally the story of the gov having acquired a number of UFO's , one of which they could fly - from John Lear who told that story to Knapp 2 years before Bob came out with his S4 story. See Lear telling Knapp the story in 1987 for yourself
https://youtu.be/LGQkkHuwm6w?t=268


Both Bob and Gene Huff met Lear before his S4 story and they obtained Lear's UFO files including the Billy Meiers tapes. Here's a cut clip of Lear saying he showed Lazar the Meiers tape and Bob saying the UFO was like Meiers saucer
https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1361674742030336003


Meiers was later busted completely as a fraud when pics he said were of alien women, turned out to be screen grabs from a Dean Martin TV special. When Bob gave his first brief interview in silhouette under the alias "Dennis" , that was filmed in a news van parked in John Lears driveway.


See for yourself
https://youtu.be/HyUlaZR0PoY?t=1549


...A guy that forged a W2. The W2 Bob showed had a Employer that did not exist. It noted the Department of Naval Intelligence rather than the Office of Naval Intelligence. The W2 was also typed and not printed - a huge red flag. It also had a bogus MAJ OMB number typed in when a legitimate OMB # was already there and printed. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ6WCGEWoAAycu6.png


...A guy who took Biglelow night UFO spotting in 1990 at the same spot he took others previously, Bigelow heard a rustle and spotted Lazar letting loose a helium filled mylar balloon towards Papoose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYhCmfE1a0


Bigelow also setup a company for Lazar to do research. Bigelow fired Lazar when he found Lazar was just using the lab to store furniture. Bigelow also said Lazar made claims about a material that didn't check out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOGHrxysBKI


According to Bob's court docs, Bigelow had paid him $2500/month
https://i.imgur.com/HepKKzm.jpg


Company Bigelow started with Lazar
https://i.imgur.com/P5cYqhH.jpg


Of course unbelievably, Bigelow still believed Lazar after all that

Interestingly, Bob had been employed to work for Bigelow's lab while at the same time he was running a brothel for which he was arrested for. The dates he was running the brothel according to the pandering court docs, and when he was meant to be at Bigelow's lab, line up. See point 5 above. No wonder he had no time for the lab.

Also noteworthy is that George Knapp never mentioned during that interview that he worked for Bigelow for several years in the late 90's to early 2000's for NIDS.

BTW, Janet flights came into A51 over Papoose twice a night - their landing lights shone at the Rachel area, A51 also conducted night tests of their secret aircraft nightly. They even let flares loose under balloons for reasons unknown.

Glenn Campbell wrote a 115 page A51 viewers guide about all this etc -> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0006QZTYK/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Hear Lazar say some of this himself
https://youtu.be/SpaTKvEkdxU?t=3474

So because he worked in the sex industry you don't believe him. That's not very 2021 of you.
 

Romulus

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Given the estimated accelerations of these UAVs, it is useful to consider the time it would take them to travel interstellar distances. Figure 7A illustrates how long it would take a craft accelerating at 1000g to reach various percentages of the speed of light. In just less than an hour, a craft accelerating at a constant 1000g would reach 10% of the speed of light, which is NASA’s goal for the planned 2069 mission to Proxima Centuri [33] (Alpha Centuri system). In less than three hours, the same craft would reach 30% of the speed of light. Such a craft accelerating at a constant 1000g for half of the trip and decelerating at the same rate for the remaining half would reach Proxima Centuri within 5 days’ ship time due to the fact that it would have been traveling at relativistic speeds for most of the trip (Figure 7B). However, for those of us on Earth, or anyone on Proxima Centuri b, the trip would take over four years. As a comparison, a craft accelerating at 100g would reach 10% of the speed of light in 8.5hrs, 30% of the speed of light in just more than a day, and Proxima Centuri in a month and a half.
 

INC

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How do we know its a 1000g? Or does it mean 'if' it was travelling 1000g

What speed would create a 1000g?
 
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INC

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Now you see that Corbell dude giving interviews everywhere, while at the same time promoting that clown Bob Lazar. That's why UFOs have been laughed away for so long. Too many nutcases.

This was my fear, once Greer pops up again everywhere, its game over for me

Stick to the fact ffs, even if its true, stop trying to go full retard with the subject
 

INC

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The aliens would be robots, so uhhhhhh

We fuck machines already

Animated GIF
 
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StormCell

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How do we know its a 1000g? Or does it mean 'if' it was travelling 1000g

What speed would create a 1000g?

I found this really confusing as well, but it would seem that they are making a conservative guess. 1000g of acceleration is about ~22,000 mph/s acceleration, which is certainly within the ballpark for these objects. That's a 5 day journey to Proxima Centauri if we assume 2.5 days of 1000g acceleration and 2.5 days of 1000g deceleration. Pretty damn cool considering last fall we think we may have gotten a signal from that solar system.
 

INC

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I found this really confusing as well, but it would seem that they are making a conservative guess. 1000g of acceleration is about ~22,000 mph/s acceleration, which is certainly within the ballpark for these objects. That's a 5 day journey to Proxima Centauri if we assume 2.5 days of 1000g acceleration and 2.5 days of 1000g deceleration. Pretty damn cool considering last fall we think we may have gotten a signal from that solar system.
Why does it need to decelerate if it controls its own gravity?
 

StormCell

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Why does it need to decelerate if it controls its own gravity?
Don't know. That's just how they estimated it. If the object doesn't require half the trip to decelerate then I suppose that cuts the trip time in half!

Keep in mind that these are the same theorists and such who are also accounting for relativity and suggesting that years will pass for everyone else while the craft makes its 3-5 day journey. That whole bit is disappointing.
 

INC

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some similar looking drones here, cant deny that the display at the end, looks a lot like some videos posted up
 
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StormCell

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It was a good listen. Lue sounds like he would be right at home in our little thread here. He obviously has a personal opinion, which I think it does trickle out through the course of the interview even though he says he doesn't want to steer us. I find most interesting what he states are the 5 observables regarding UAP.

All in all, I don't think even Tyson could take offense at how Lue frames the discussion.
 
Well area 51 for 1, that wasn't known about, at least not by name......(I'm probably wrong about that), S4 definitely wasn't, if that even exists, apparently it does

No idea about hand scanner, I'm just going off what was shown, I dont follow much of lazaar story, since without any physical proof its just a story, a fun one, but thats about it, if you say its a movie prop then sure fine

Element 115 isn't really proof, if he has a working knowledge of elements, which he obviously does, an educated guess could of come up with that, and again,,he reckons he has it, and thats why he's still hounded by the FBI etc etc

cant deny he's a good storyteller, no fluff, and comes across as legit.

Some of me wants to believe the story, but until any real proof, its nothing more than folklore

To be fair he described Element 115 well over a decade before it was first synthesized.
 

Coolwhhip

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To be fair he described Element 115 well over a decade before it was first synthesized.

Don't think so. I think element 115 is a logical element right after element 114, so he didn't predict anything. That is just how they name things.

It was a good listen. Lue sounds like he would be right at home in our little thread here. He obviously has a personal opinion, which I think it does trickle out through the course of the interview even though he says he doesn't want to steer us. I find most interesting what he states are the 5 observables regarding UAP.

All in all, I don't think even Tyson could take offense at how Lue frames the discussion.

Haha that guy is funny. "Jacky, I don't want to give my personal opinion, I don't want to speculate, I'm a professional..."

-2 minutes later-

"but it's aliens from another dimension!"
 

StormCell

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To be fair he described Element 115 well over a decade before it was first synthesized.

I'll preface by saying I've given the Lazaar story almost no attention and know only a little bit about him/it.

What makes a good lie so good is there's always truth sprinkled throughout it. He's managed to use enough facts to spin a very lucrative and fantastic story for himself. That is if he isn't being totally truthful.
 

Coolwhhip

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I'll preface by saying I've given the Lazaar story almost no attention and know only a little bit about him/it.

What makes a good lie so good is there's always truth sprinkled throughout it. He's managed to use enough facts to spin a very lucrative and fantastic story for himself. That is if he isn't being totally truthful.

He isn't, if you watch some debunk videos about him it's painfully obvious. In the older versions of his story he contradicts himself and he even talks about aliens visiting us millions of years ago to modify humans...
 

StormCell

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He isn't, if you watch some debunk videos about him it's painfully obvious. In the older versions of his story he contradicts himself and he even talks about aliens visiting us millions of years ago to modify humans...

I don't believe in debunk videos. They're largely click bait. I do, however, appreciate good analysis. A lot of Lazaar's claims were fantastic and lacking any evidence, which is why I've ignored him this long. I do find some of the body language analysis to be really interesting, but I would never say they debunked him. After all, it's possible to be telling a completely truthful story and fail lie detection and appear to be hiding something. As for what compels my belief, I'm afraid only evidence will do for me.

I laugh whenever I see "Blah blah blah DEBUNKED!" and "Blah blah debunk DEBUNKED!!" Objective truth means taking in all of the evidence, no matter which way it points, and keeping in consideration the possibilities.
 

Coolwhhip

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I don't believe in debunk videos. They're largely click bait. I do, however, appreciate good analysis. A lot of Lazaar's claims were fantastic and lacking any evidence, which is why I've ignored him this long. I do find some of the body language analysis to be really interesting, but I would never say they debunked him. After all, it's possible to be telling a completely truthful story and fail lie detection and appear to be hiding something. As for what compels my belief, I'm afraid only evidence will do for me.

I laugh whenever I see "Blah blah blah DEBUNKED!" and "Blah blah debunk DEBUNKED!!" Objective truth means taking in all of the evidence, no matter which way it points, and keeping in consideration the possibilities.

Okay, then some fantastical story with zero evidence isn't even worth considering.
 
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MadAnon

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I don't believe in debunk videos. They're largely click bait. I do, however, appreciate good analysis. A lot of Lazaar's claims were fantastic and lacking any evidence, which is why I've ignored him this long. I do find some of the body language analysis to be really interesting, but I would never say they debunked him. After all, it's possible to be telling a completely truthful story and fail lie detection and appear to be hiding something. As for what compels my belief, I'm afraid only evidence will do for me.

I laugh whenever I see "Blah blah blah DEBUNKED!" and "Blah blah debunk DEBUNKED!!" Objective truth means taking in all of the evidence, no matter which way it points, and keeping in consideration the possibilities.
Lazar could easily be a psychopath. Actually he has all the main traits of one.

1) Glibness/superficial charm. (Lots of people constantly point this out about him. "He's so convincing and likeable!")

2) Grandiose sense of self-worth. (His whole story pretty much confirms this. Pretends he's some smart physicist working on secret projects. Talking at ufo conventions etc.)

3) Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom. (Hell Yeah! Guy was organising Desert blast. Loved guns, explosives, pimping, jet engines)

4) Pathological lying. (Doesn't even require explenation. Lie detectors are useless against them.)
 
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INC

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Lazar could easily be a psychopath. Actually he has all the main traits of one.

1) Glibness/superficial charm. (Lots of people constantly point this out about him. "He's so convincing!")

2) Grandiose sense of self-worth. (His whole story pretty much confirms this. Pretends he's some smart physicist working on secret projects)

3) Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom. (Hell Yeah! Guy was organising Desert blast. Loved guns, explosives, pimping, jet engines)

4) Pathological lying. (Doesn't even require explenation. Lie detectors are useless against them.)

1, because it could be true
2, isnt he a physicist still? So.....
2, arent we all bored in modern life, you're on a forum posting, thats a form of boredom
4, so he passes a lie detector he's lying

Hmm ok
 

MadAnon

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1, because it could be true
2, isnt he a physicist still? So.....
2, arent we all bored in modern life, you're on a forum posting, thats a form of boredom
4, so he passes a lie detector he's lying

Hmm ok
He has never provided any proof he's a physicist. His physics are all ass. Guy was calling strong nuclear force gravity when they are nothing alike and have no connection. He claimed that scientific community was arguing if gravity is a wave or a particle (graviton) and that it's a wave. Like wtf? There has never been such a debate because wave-particle duality is a well established fact. If gravity can be described as a wave there should also be graviton. Guy is a physicts as much as I am engineer.
 
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INC

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He has never provided any proof he's a physicist. His physics are all ass. Guy was calling strong nuclear force gravity when they are nothing alike and have no connection. He claimed that scientific community was arguing if gravity is a wave or a particle (graviton) and that it's a wave. Like wtf? There has never been such a debate because wave-particle duality is a well established fact. If gravity can be described as a wave there should also be graviton. Guy is a physicts as much as I am engineer.

Pretty sure he owns some sort of lab, even today.

I'm not backing him up, before we go down that road
 

rofif

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1, because it could be true
2, isnt he a physicist still? So.....
2, arent we all bored in modern life, you're on a forum posting, thats a form of boredom
4, so he passes a lie detector he's lying

Hmm ok
bob is obviously a fake and I've been saying that for a long time.
He is making shit up as he goes... Elizondo starts smelling similarly to me...
You don't even need to read people well to notice that.
 

Romulus

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My feeling on Lazar is maybe he did work at S4, but he just exaggerated or outright lied about many things. Maybe he saw some advanced human or unknown tech but all that stuff about knowing the alien original planet just sounds like total bullshit.
It seemed to me he just got excited by his initial attention whoring and kept adding and removing things.

I feel like whatever truth might be there with Lazar is a lost cause because hes fucked himself into a hole.
 

INC

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Best guess he worked on stealth fighter, thats area 51, and fits in with a lot of his story, and timeline
 

MadAnon

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Pretty sure he owns some sort of lab, even today.

I'm not backing him up, before we go down that road
He just resells lab supplys. "He owns a lab" is hilarious argument for someone who claims to have masters degrees in physics but can't show them and has rather shitty understanding of physics.
 

StormCell

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Lazar could easily be a psychopath. Actually he has all the main traits of one.

1) Glibness/superficial charm. (Lots of people constantly point this out about him. "He's so convincing and likeable!")

2) Grandiose sense of self-worth. (His whole story pretty much confirms this. Pretends he's some smart physicist working on secret projects. Talking at ufo conventions etc.)

3) Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom. (Hell Yeah! Guy was organising Desert blast. Loved guns, explosives, pimping, jet engines)

4) Pathological lying. (Doesn't even require explenation. Lie detectors are useless against them.)

So, if we said that leaves about a 1% chance he's telling the complete truth, that is still a 1% chance unfortunately. I will continue to ignore him, and because of his terrible reputation I wish his name wasn't even coming up. It's unfortunate when you consider how easily untrained people are swayed.
 

INC

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He just resells lab supplys. "He owns a lab" is hilarious argument for someone who claims to have masters degrees in physics but can't show them and has rather shitty understanding of physics.
Its not an argument for the 3rd time now, im not backing his story ffs
 
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MadAnon

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Best guess he worked on stealth fighter, thats area 51, and fits in with a lot of his story, and timeline
Best guess is his buddy Lear provided him all the main info about Area 51 and all the ufo stuff he was so into. Lear worked as a pilot for CIA. Lear was already into Area 51 + UFO connection before Lazar came out with the story. Then Lazar decided to use his history at Los Alamos (nothing physics related), lies about degrees from MIT, Cal Tec to cook up a story about reverse engineering alien spacecrafts to spice up his life. Afterall, he was succeful, because he's famous and there are tons of his fanboys even today. He doesn't even need to provide any proof. Just scream "Government erased me!". He's even getting away with bunk physics.
 
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INC

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Best guess is his buddy Lear provided him all the main info about Area 51 and all the ufo stuff he was so into. Lear worked as a pilot for CIA. Lear was already into Area 51 + UFO connection before Lazar came out with the story. Then Lazar decided to use his history at Los Alamos (nothing physics related), lies about degrees from MIT, Cal Tec to cook up a story about reverse engineering alien spacecrafts to spice up his life. Afterall, he was succeful, because he's famous and there are tons of his fanboys even today. He doesn't even need to provide any proof. Just scream "Government erased me!". He's even getting away with bunk physics.

Hmm not a bad take, not thought of that angle
 

Coolwhhip

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So what is next? I can see this being a few weeks of UFO excitement and then completely fizzling out again.
 
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StormCell

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So what is next? I can see this being a few weeks of UFO excitement and then completely fizzling out again.

I think this is pretty much it. There should be a few additional details, nothing earth shattering, in the unclassified report give to congress. Even Elizondo says that the report only had 180 days to be put together, and that it's not even enough time to remodel some people's kitchens, so the report is going to reflect that rush.

The broader question is what will congress choose to do with this information. The stated goal is for them to pick up the ball on this topic and begin to push it down the court. If we don't, then China will possibly take the lead on the topic internationally, which would be a shame.
 
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