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American liberals are still not voting (Full Frontal w/Sam Bee)
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sugarhigh4242
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Go out there and vote friendo. Vote for whoever you like. Whoever's on the ballot is already approved by the 1% unless an incredible amount of organized, grassroots effort was made to impose someone unapproved by the 1%. That's the work I think is way more important than voting.
So sad to see that even decades later, people of color still have to jump through hoops just to be able to vote.
MonkeyKing
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Altadena here...hi neighbor!
Putting aside the absurdities of having a vote so soon after the big 2016 November election, there wasn't anything on the ballot that I felt particularly strong about. There were some interesting measures in the city of Los Angeles but since I live in loss Angeles County, there wasn't much to hold my attention. I just didn't give a fuck.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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This is dumb as shit, then. You don't magically wish your progressive candidate into existence if you can't be arsed to vote for anyone even in their ballpark. The only way the U.S. moves in a steady and sustained leftward direction is if you swallow your fucked-up sense of pride and vote for the more liberal voices.
1. They feel each side of the spectrum are equally bad and feel like the act of voting means nothing.
2. Depending on where they live, Jury duty is sometimes determined by whether you registered to vote or not.
3. The people they want in office didn't make it to the ballot so there is no point to vote.
I mean I can keep coming up with reasons.
2. Depending on where they live, Jury duty is sometimes determined by whether you registered to vote or not.
3. The people they want in office didn't make it to the ballot so there is no point to vote.
I mean I can keep coming up with reasons.
SoRuffShoNuff
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I look at this picture and I think, wow voting was so important to them that they were determined to exercise their right to vote no matter what obstacles were placed in their way.
Now contrast that with 2017 where you damn near need to bribe young people to even think about voting. We just have to face the facts that voting just isn't important to a large segment of the population. Protesting and posting on social media is cool, researching when you need to vote and where isn't.
As an African American who worked with the Clinton campaign and other Democrats in one of the blackest cities in the country, this is a flat out lie.
What have you seen? In my opinion, they see us as guaranteed Democratic voters and that allows them to focus less on our needs. I could be wrong however.
As a Latino, this is just not true. Resources alone for public schools is HUGE.
African Americans (black women in particular occupy every level of leadership within the DNC.
In the lead-up to the campaign, Hillary Clinton's first stops were to HBCUs, to speak to black sororities about the rise of black
Hillary Clinton is the only candidate to visit Flint multiple times before the general election campaign. She's also the only candidate to exclusively talk about issues facing black communities, including positive issues like jobs and the growing of wealth, and not just how many of us get shot.
I won't argue the Democratic party is perfect. But it isn't accurate to say that this party does not care about black people. Black people help make this party.
kame-sennin
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I thought we knew Bee was garbage since she wanted protestors to shake hands with cops.
This.
This.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
After all of the failed "progressive" candidates in the last election, i'd love to see at least one success story for this theory I see everywhere.
So far it's all feelings with no facts or data behind it.
Yep.
Marches aren't an indication of public support, the left always fail to understand this, having a 20k march means nothing it's hardly anyone in the grand scheme of things.
Conservatives simply look up from the papers and think oh it's the usually suspects marching on the Tv again don't they have proper jobs?
Conservatives simply look up from the papers and think oh it's the usually suspects marching on the Tv again don't they have proper jobs?
kame-sennin
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I think part of the problem is we need to educate how dumb people like this are.
I see a lot of people in this thread talking about how important voting is or isnt. I wish people had a better grasp of the big picture, because there's a few things to understand:
First off, if you have the opportunity to vote but choose not to vote because you dont feel represented on the ballot, then you are only making it worse for yourself. The reason the GOP started treating the Tea Party seriously was because those Tea Party types were constantly showing up to vote. By choosing not to vote, you are telling your government that they dont need to listen to you because you will have no influence on whether or not they keep their seats.
Second, voting is VERY important, but it is only the BARE MINIMUM of political participation. You always hear the typical Im just one vote, so it wont make a difference. Well yeah it IS only one vote if all you are doing is just voting. But if you are actively pushing your friends and family to vote the same as you that suddenly now 5-10 votes you are changing. Think of how this can grow exponentially. And if you go actually volunteer or work for a political campaign, you can potentially influence triple digit numbers of votes.
To add to the second point, its also good to actually go work or volunteer for a campaign because talking about politics on the internet, while fun, doesnt teach you about the different kinds of voters the way that actual campaigning does.
Finally, your attitude and appetite for politics needs to be constant in both the good times and the bad times. Did the GOP just give up when they lost catastrophically in 2006 and 2008? No they kept fighting the democrats every step of the way and kept telling their base to vote in every election, and as a result they took Ted Kennedys MA seat and then made huge gains in the 2010 midterms. If you want to win big the way the GOP does, you need to emulate their passion for politics 24/7.
First off, if you have the opportunity to vote but choose not to vote because you dont feel represented on the ballot, then you are only making it worse for yourself. The reason the GOP started treating the Tea Party seriously was because those Tea Party types were constantly showing up to vote. By choosing not to vote, you are telling your government that they dont need to listen to you because you will have no influence on whether or not they keep their seats.
Second, voting is VERY important, but it is only the BARE MINIMUM of political participation. You always hear the typical Im just one vote, so it wont make a difference. Well yeah it IS only one vote if all you are doing is just voting. But if you are actively pushing your friends and family to vote the same as you that suddenly now 5-10 votes you are changing. Think of how this can grow exponentially. And if you go actually volunteer or work for a political campaign, you can potentially influence triple digit numbers of votes.
To add to the second point, its also good to actually go work or volunteer for a campaign because talking about politics on the internet, while fun, doesnt teach you about the different kinds of voters the way that actual campaigning does.
Finally, your attitude and appetite for politics needs to be constant in both the good times and the bad times. Did the GOP just give up when they lost catastrophically in 2006 and 2008? No they kept fighting the democrats every step of the way and kept telling their base to vote in every election, and as a result they took Ted Kennedys MA seat and then made huge gains in the 2010 midterms. If you want to win big the way the GOP does, you need to emulate their passion for politics 24/7.
kame-sennin
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Nicholas Bryant, a leading civil rights historian, said in his book:
Theres no reason to take Bryants word for it though, declassified tapes show that the Birmingham riot was the reason for Civil Rights Act. Robert Kennedy said
President Kennedy replied
It was the black-on-white violence of May 11 not the publication of the startling photograph a week earlier that represented the real watershed in Kennedys thinking, and the turning point in administration policy. Kennedy had grown used to segregationist attacks against civil rights protesters. But he along with his brother and other administration officials was far more troubled by black mobs running amok.
Theres no reason to take Bryants word for it though, declassified tapes show that the Birmingham riot was the reason for Civil Rights Act. Robert Kennedy said
The Negro Reverend Walker
he said that the Negroes, when dark comes tonight, theyre going to start going after the policemen headhunting trying to shoot to kill policemen. He says its completely out of hand
.you could trigger off a good deal of violence around the country now, with Negroes saying theyve been abused for all these years and theyre going to follow the ideas of the Black Muslims now
If they feel on the other hand that the federal government is their friend, that its intervening for them, that its going to work for them, then it will head some of that off. I think thats the strongest argument for doing something
President Kennedy replied
First we have to have law and order, so the Negros not running all over the city
If the [local Birmingham desegregation] agreement blows up, the other remedy we have under that condition is to send legislation [The Civil Rights Act] up to congress this week as our response
As a means of providing relief we have to have legislation.
http://theantimedia.org/is-nonviolent-revolution-a-possibility/
benjipwns
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Over 90% of those eligible are registered to vote.
60% or less of those registered vote for President and most of those people are racking up totals in decided states. It decreases significantly down ballot and even more in "mid-term" elections. And in primaries can regularly fall under 10%.
therealist
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For the most part liberals are well off and comfortable. Even though they perceive what's happening to the less fortunate and subjugated as horrific, at the end of the day it doesn't particularly affect them so they are less likely to vote. Even though Trump won, the vast majority of liberals probably won't have their lives impacted at all. They are educated, have well paying jobs, and can manage their finances.
TurnipFritters
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During the DNC chair race, a lot of people in the DNC were making that exact point. Howard Dean caught some crap because he made a remark about how the democrats can't assume that the people out marching are gonna vote democrat.
SneakersSO
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I remember one example of this topic that occurred during this very election. Wasn't it Lena Dunham, one of the bigger liberal Actors/Writers that it turned out wasn't even registered to vote, even though she kept going out telling other people they needed to vote for Hillary?
Leafhopper
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The system is rigged against people who work or go to school anyway, in the US anyway. From my understanding voting days are like days off on in other countries. You should vote even if it's hard.
benjipwns
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That's a way to boost turnout, hold a national referendum on Lena Dunham.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
benjipwns
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In Michigan, you just have to write down an excuse, it doesn't have to be valid* and nobody checks it or anything.Many states have absentee voting for any reason.
In FL I could even signup online.
*May not be applicable for minorities.
How so?
Voter ID laws are specifically designed to limit the minority vote.
Voter ID laws mainly. It's just crazy that the US still hide behind this false idea of "voter fraud" when in reality its just to stop people of color from voting. And if it doesn't stop them then it at least creates a noticeable frustration.
benjipwns
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Literal hoops are placed in front of the voting booth. It's part of the physical challenge round.
The main thing is that you want all the pieces of the pendant of life so the temple guards aren't an issue.
For real?
Yes but how? Don't you just need ID to vote? I'm from Michigan so a highschool ID even works. I don't know the state by state basis
those temple guards though. I'd shit my pants if one of those popped out of the fog and grabbed me
benjipwns
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Yeah, Michigan is a bit different experience because it's one of the least stringent laws in what's allowed AND acquiring a valid ID is a very low bar to where individual SoS employees can basically waive the $10 fee for a state ID by themselves. (About 15 years ago or so you needed three valid photo ID's plus a birth certificate to acquire a state ID lol)
Michigan also has the highest rate by far of any state in the motor voter registration rate.
And like I said, even the absentee thing isn't really enforced like it could be.
I want to say Michigan has always been a high turnout state though but I don't remember for sure.
Michigan also has the highest rate by far of any state in the motor voter registration rate.
And like I said, even the absentee thing isn't really enforced like it could be.
I want to say Michigan has always been a high turnout state though but I don't remember for sure.
MidgarBlowedUp
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I had no idea there were any kind of elections in March anywhere in the country.
Maybe find a way to let people know when all these elections are?
I'm in NC so it's customary to keep us in the dark, but I'm curious if the other recent local elections were in any way advertised. Talking about it after the fact is pointless.
Maybe find a way to let people know when all these elections are?
I'm in NC so it's customary to keep us in the dark, but I'm curious if the other recent local elections were in any way advertised. Talking about it after the fact is pointless.
Oh gotcha thanks for the info. I've always been able to vote with my drivers license, which is what I figured everyone voted with because it was so easy. Which makes sense because it's the motor city lol
So how does using this voter ID make it a problem for minorities?
Ya I didn't know it was an issue. What inhibits minorities from voting?
Voting per mail should be standard. I only voted once by going to the booth. Come on, America, it's not that hard to go with the time and make voting per mail or online available.
lastflowers
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Over and over and over and over and over and over and over again
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But this would mean foregoing an opportunity would complain about Millennials! Say it isn't so!
Scarecrow
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Why aren't people helping others prep for 2018? Feels like no one wants to put in the work to help get around these roadblocks, then complain about them after the damage is done.
Barrylocke
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This all came from the ACLU's fact sheet on the subject. It has a lot of good and easy to digest info (with sources), so I'd recommend people checking out the link itself.
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