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[Ampere Analysis] - In 2023, PS5 Sold 22.5m Units This Year (+65% YoY), Xbox Series 7.6m (-15% YoY) And Switch 16.4m (-18% YoY) WW

yazenov

Member
Why is Xbox doing so poorly?

When has Xbox ever done well except for the Xbox 360?

Xbox: flop
Xbox 360: OK
Xbox One: flop
XBS: flop


Xbox doing poorly is the norm. Xbox 360 was the only exception to the rule.
The reason why the Xbox 360 was doing ok was only due to the competition shooting themselves in the foot initially, but the PS3 was outselling the Xbox 360 launch aligned and eventually, the PS3 surpassed it to the finish line.

Xbox doing poorly is in Xbox DNA. They just don't know how to sell the system when the competitors don't shoot themselves in the foot. They have to have some kind of an advantage over the competition to compete.
 
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yurinka

Member
I think they spent it because of these numbers. They are aiming for the future. I won't be surprised to see a new console and branding in 2025. Hopefully they will just call is Xbox 5.
I know they did it for the long term and we still have to see the results of the ABK acquisition. But they also did acquire many other companies who already released games for them. We saw Starfield, Redfall and multiple games from other acquired studios like Mojang, Double Fine etc. and their past catalog added to GP. Instead of helpting them to grow their market share they continue losing market share.

There's no reason to release a new console in 2025 because it would continue having no appealing software. I think that if they want to revive their consoles they should do is to properly integrate and coordinate all their teams to keep a balanced and coordinated roadmap with at least a couple good exclusives per quarter.

They would need to stop releasing all their games on PC, releasing only some of them and not day one. And to include their games on GP only once they already sold most of their sales, around after a couple years. Basically what Sony very successfully does.

But MS won't do it because their priority isn't the Xbox hardware: it's AI, cloud, subs and Windows. For gaming AI is too soon, so they prefer to include all their games day one on Windows and in a sub with cloud gaming even if it negatively affects their console hardware. In fact I assume their next step for the following years will be to focus more on mobile since they have more changes to grow there than in consoles.


When has Xbox ever done well except for the Xbox 360?

Xbox: flop
Xbox 360: OK
Xbox One: flop
XBS: flop


Xbox doing poorly is the norm. Xbox 360 was the only exception to the rule.
The reason why the Xbox 360 was doing ok was only due to the competition shooting themselves in the foot initially, but the PS3 was outselling the Xbox 360 launch aligned and eventually, the PS3 surpassed it to the finish line.

Xbox doing poorly is in Xbox DNA. They just don't know how to sell the system when the competitors don't shoot themselves in the foot. They have to have some kind of an advantage over the competition to compete.
Yes, PS3 released a couple years too late, it was overpriced and too difficult to develop for, which affected their early years. On top of that, Wii+DS were being very successful. But PS3 outsold 360 in total sales and specially launch aligned during pretty much all the generation specially thanks to Europe.
 
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Kerotan

Member
Xbox crashing and burning. Next year could be worse without fire sales.

Switch number very impressive. Anybody think it could beat Xbox next year? 😂
 

SJRB

Gold Member
At some point Microsoft has to realise that if they want to actually sell some games from the 30 studios they bought, they have to go multiplatform, right? What good is having all those studios when no one buys your consoles?

Xbox console exclusive games coming out in 2+ years is basically a death certificate.
 
At some point Microsoft has to realise that if they want to actually sell some games from the 30 studios they bought, they have to go multiplatform, right? What good is having all those studios when no one buys your consoles?

Xbox console exclusive games coming out in 2+ years is basically a death certificate.

I guess its because they won't go under if it happens. It's not like they need that income to survive. Thanks mostly to the income they get from their other products.
 

yazenov

Member
Xbox crashing and burning. Next year could be worse without fire sales.

Switch number very impressive. Anybody think it could beat Xbox next year? 😂

If Nintendo prices the Switch attractively to offset some of the decline due to the age of the console, and with the release of the new Switch 2 hardware which will negativity impact the older hardware.

However, I don't see how Xbox can offset their consoles decline due to its demand issues.

So It really depends on Nintendo if they wants to sell the Switch at a discount or not. My money is on the Switch outselling the XBS. That would be extremely embarrassing for MS.
 

Killjoy-NL

Member
How far back in history do you want to go? Back in the year 1999-2000 or so, Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer were worried that Sony's control of the living room could be a threat to Windows if Sony ever tried to extend their dominance in consumers electronics to computers. The original purpose of the "DirectX Box" was to establish a beachhead in the living room and extend the Windows monopoly there to do battle with Sony, thus killing 2 birds with one stone. MS never cared about gaming, they only cared about finding a reason to fight with Sony.

Of course, Sony has never been interested in doing battle with Windows or MS, and in fact Sony instead decided to become a large media conglomerate which has nothing to do with markets MS traditionally occupied. On the other hand, MS has repeatedly attempted to invade consumer electronics. They tried to attack spinning round movie discs when they fought in the HD DVD vs. Blu-ray format war, a war that forced Sony to enlist literally the entire consumer electronics industry in a never before seen total alliance to fight MS and Toshiba. Microsoft's other ill-fated forays into battlefields beyond their monopoly strongholds include such luminary products like Zune, Surface, and Windows Phone.

Meanwhile, the Xbox brand has become probably the most important consumer-facing brand that MS has, and since nobody likes Windows and Office they have put a lot of resources into Xbox as it's also used to help improve the company's overall consumer image. The failure of Xbox is bad for the company's brand and reputation because without Xbox, MS is just that monopolist who forces everyone on Earth to resentfully use Windows and Office.

MS has spent untold hundreds of billions of US Dollars over the past few decades invading markets they have no genuine financial interest in just because quite frankly they have too much money and nothing to do with it and monopolists like to jump at shadows thinking they are threats. Sony was never a threat to MS, don't fucking care about MS, and would like it if MS fucking just leaves them alone. Meanwhile MS acts like Sony is some existential threat. It beggars belief but that's how monopolists view the world and MS is an exemplary monopolist.
When you put it like that, it's a typical 'American' approach from MS.

It's also why Xbox won't ever get a proper foothold in non-US/UK markets and it clearly shows.
 

GHG

Member
How far back in history do you want to go? Back in the year 1999-2000 or so, Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer were worried that Sony's control of the living room could be a threat to Windows if Sony ever tried to extend their dominance in consumers electronics to computers. The original purpose of the "DirectX Box" was to establish a beachhead in the living room and extend the Windows monopoly there to do battle with Sony, thus killing 2 birds with one stone. MS never cared about gaming, they only cared about finding a reason to fight with Sony.

Of course, Sony has never been interested in doing battle with Windows or MS, and in fact Sony instead decided to become a large media conglomerate which has nothing to do with markets MS traditionally occupied. On the other hand, MS has repeatedly attempted to invade consumer electronics. They tried to attack spinning round movie discs when they fought in the HD DVD vs. Blu-ray format war, a war that forced Sony to enlist literally the entire consumer electronics industry in a never before seen total alliance to fight MS and Toshiba. Microsoft's other ill-fated forays into battlefields beyond their monopoly strongholds include such luminary products like Zune, Surface, and Windows Phone.

Meanwhile, the Xbox brand has become probably the most important consumer-facing brand that MS has, and since nobody likes Windows and Office they have put a lot of resources into Xbox as it's also used to help improve the company's overall consumer image. The failure of Xbox is bad for the company's brand and reputation because without Xbox, MS is just that monopolist who forces everyone on Earth to resentfully use Windows and Office.

MS has spent untold hundreds of billions of US Dollars over the past few decades invading markets they have no genuine financial interest in just because quite frankly they have too much money and nothing to do with it and monopolists like to jump at shadows thinking they are threats. Sony was never a threat to MS, don't fucking care about MS, and would like it if MS fucking just leaves them alone. Meanwhile MS acts like Sony is some existential threat. It beggars belief but that's how monopolists view the world and MS is an exemplary monopolist.

If the only reason for entering a market is to prevent a different company from achieving something rather than feeling like you have value to add to customers as an industry participant then it's never going to end well really.

The ethos is all wrong.
 

bitbydeath

Gold Member
I'm not entirely sure that the next Xbox people are discussing is a next gen console in the traditional sense. I have no info about that, but the discussion around multiplat development wouldn't lead to a new Xbox selling well at all.
I’ve mentioned this before but nobody dares speak about that leak.

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Not the best news for console gamers, just hope xbox and Nintendo can stay in the industry and offer consumers more options rather than having sony having a monopoly.
 
So essentially each studio will have their output heavily scrutinised (like Sony do with their teams actually) and the cuts will come where they need to.
So you are indirectly admitting that Xbox isn't actually taking game production seriously. Because you know very well both PlayStation and Nintendo scrutinize their own studios in making sure they are doing their jobs properly.

Why wait until they go 3rd party? Why not scrutinize the studios and make cuts NOW? Why not make better games NOW, rather than when they no longer have a console?

Is Xbox seriously just letting their employees do whatever they want?
 
So you are indirectly admitting that Xbox isn't actually taking game production seriously. Because you know very well both PlayStation and Nintendo scrutinize their own studios in making sure they are doing their jobs properly.

Why wait until they go 3rd party? Why not scrutinize the studios and make cuts NOW? Why not make better games NOW, rather than when they no longer have a console?

Is Xbox seriously just letting their employees do whatever they want?

I don't think it's unfair to say they've been badly mismanaging their studios. Currently output is king for them to serve gamepass, so in those instances 'good enough' appears to be the mantra.

I just think they'll face a lot more scrutiny if they don't have a box to plug.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
How many did they sell last year in 2022?
Based on these numbers, 11.5 million -- which I also believe is incorrect.

Because at the end of 2022, Xbox was at ~18 million, and that too according to Ampere Analysis. If Xbox sold 11.5 million just in 2022, that means they sold only 6.5 million in the entire 2021 + launch / Holiday 2020 sales?

Nope. The math doesn't add up.
 
- Halo Infinite failed to land
- Redfall failed to land
- Starfield failed to become the game of the generation
- Forza Motorsport 2023 is an embarrassment to the franchise
- Series S gutted Series X sales

Microsoft needs to make COD console exclusive if they want to remain competitive. Now there are rumors of Microsoft cutting this generation short with a next gen Xbox slated for 2025. Great way to earn trust from your loyal customers.
Thats the problem for MS they cant make COD console exclusive. They have binding contract to put COD on Playstation for the coming 10 years.
 

HeWhoWalks

Gold Member
How far back in history do you want to go? Back in the year 1999-2000 or so, Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer were worried that Sony's control of the living room could be a threat to Windows if Sony ever tried to extend their dominance in consumers electronics to computers. The original purpose of the "DirectX Box" was to establish a beachhead in the living room and extend the Windows monopoly there to do battle with Sony, thus killing 2 birds with one stone. MS never cared about gaming, they only cared about finding a reason to fight with Sony.

Of course, Sony has never been interested in doing battle with Windows or MS, and in fact Sony instead decided to become a large media conglomerate which has nothing to do with markets MS traditionally occupied. On the other hand, MS has repeatedly attempted to invade consumer electronics. They tried to attack spinning round movie discs when they fought in the HD DVD vs. Blu-ray format war, a war that forced Sony to enlist literally the entire consumer electronics industry in a never before seen total alliance to fight MS and Toshiba. Microsoft's other ill-fated forays into battlefields beyond their monopoly strongholds include such luminary products like Zune, Surface, and Windows Phone.

Meanwhile, the Xbox brand has become probably the most important consumer-facing brand that MS has, and since nobody likes Windows and Office they have put a lot of resources into Xbox as it's also used to help improve the company's overall consumer image. The failure of Xbox is bad for the company's brand and reputation because without Xbox, MS is just that monopolist who forces everyone on Earth to resentfully use Windows and Office.

MS has spent untold hundreds of billions of US Dollars over the past few decades invading markets they have no genuine financial interest in just because quite frankly they have too much money and nothing to do with it and monopolists like to jump at shadows thinking they are threats. Sony was never a threat to MS, don't fucking care about MS, and would like it if MS fucking just leaves them alone. Meanwhile MS acts like Sony is some existential threat. It beggars belief but that's how monopolists view the world and MS is an exemplary monopolist.
Might be the best post I've read on here in a long time. I tried to tell folks that Microsoft wasn't in this for gaming. That felt particularly true when Greenburg and the like pointed out their "chalkboard of 3rd party exclusives Sony once had that they were crossing off" during the 360's tenure. It always felt like it wasn't about making a better product, rather sticking it to Sony. It wasn't all bad — XBL was a force to be reckoned with and certainly pushed other companies to improve their infrastructures, but otherwise, they clearly wanted to be "another PlayStation" while not putting in the work specifically for that task (literally got a layup with the 360 and totally squandered with its sequels).

Let's review history. SEGA truly entered the market with Altered Beast and the Genesis. While a wonderful game, it wasn't the family-friendly mascot that was needed to go head-to-head with Mario. They then did what competition is supposed to do — come up with a competitor. Behold: Sonic The Hedgehog! Oh, there's Final Fight? Cool! Meet Streets of Rage! Street Fighter is the talk of the town? Got it! I raise you Virtua Fighter!

Sony? Let's capitalize on what we have, as the industry is shifting. Yes, we messed up with the PS3, but let's fix it with IPs that should get the train on the tracks again. Tomb Raider? Alright, we raise you Uncharted! Halo? No problem! Check out Killzone! Oh, we got another for that — Resistance! Mario? Sonic? Gucci! Have some Ratchet with a side of Sackboy! Then, like SEGA, they have unchallenged gems like God of War and The Last of Us — industry moving IPs that undoubtedly helped the PS3's second half and preparation for the PS4.

Microsoft and Xbox? Snagged Bungie (and subsequently) Halo from Apple/Mac. Let's just get that out of the way. Was planned for one platform and ended up with them.....permanently. Cool, cool. They nurtured it and it became theirs. They also introduced XBL off the back of the Dreamcast's online system. In my eyes, this is Xbox's biggest contribution to gaming. Gears of War? Though not initially theirs, it was a watershed moment for Xbox and I'm glad it happened. Not only was it one of the most satisfying 3rd person action series in the industry, but it also helped put Xbox on the map and I wanted to see more of a fight like that from them.

But from there, it has been all downhill. Kinect was the start of this. They doubled down with it on the One and.......... well.......... yeah. Then, putting all of their games on PC day-and-date removed the need for an Xbox significantly. It just feels like the goal was always simply to protect the PC and strike at Sony. Should they continue with hardware, some big changes need to happen. Put up a real damn fight! You have enough studios to get the job done. Otherwise, we may see them as only a 3rd party pub by 2030.

DrumNBassDanTTV DrumNBassDanTTV

Sony wouldn't have a monopoly even with Xbox gone, Nintendo is not going anywhere, and Steam exists.
 
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StereoVsn

Member
How far back in history do you want to go? Back in the year 1999-2000 or so, Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer were worried that Sony's control of the living room could be a threat to Windows if Sony ever tried to extend their dominance in consumers electronics to computers. The original purpose of the "DirectX Box" was to establish a beachhead in the living room and extend the Windows monopoly there to do battle with Sony, thus killing 2 birds with one stone. MS never cared about gaming, they only cared about finding a reason to fight with Sony.

Of course, Sony has never been interested in doing battle with Windows or MS, and in fact Sony instead decided to become a large media conglomerate which has nothing to do with markets MS traditionally occupied. On the other hand, MS has repeatedly attempted to invade consumer electronics. They tried to attack spinning round movie discs when they fought in the HD DVD vs. Blu-ray format war, a war that forced Sony to enlist literally the entire consumer electronics industry in a never before seen total alliance to fight MS and Toshiba. Microsoft's other ill-fated forays into battlefields beyond their monopoly strongholds include such luminary products like Zune, Surface, and Windows Phone.

Meanwhile, the Xbox brand has become probably the most important consumer-facing brand that MS has, and since nobody likes Windows and Office they have put a lot of resources into Xbox as it's also used to help improve the company's overall consumer image. The failure of Xbox is bad for the company's brand and reputation because without Xbox, MS is just that monopolist who forces everyone on Earth to resentfully use Windows and Office.

MS has spent untold hundreds of billions of US Dollars over the past few decades invading markets they have no genuine financial interest in just because quite frankly they have too much money and nothing to do with it and monopolists like to jump at shadows thinking they are threats. Sony was never a threat to MS, don't fucking care about MS, and would like it if MS fucking just leaves them alone. Meanwhile MS acts like Sony is some existential threat. It beggars belief but that's how monopolists view the world and MS is an exemplary monopolist.
This is spot on. Plus MS execs aren’t creatives, they don’t properly hire said creatives and generally look at everything in extend/exterminate POV.

Hence the variety of consumer electronics failure, current Xbox, and even Surfsce is now tanking since they haven’t done shit with that line for years.

So you have Phil’s “career moment”, email leaks talking about killing off Sony and buying Nintendo and so on.

Hell, the end of Phil’s career should be this disastrous year, but for whatever reason that won’t happen.

Plus MS has a huge push internally for everything on a Sub, hence GamePass even though in this situation it’s a bit of a self destruction.

Personally I think at some point MS will realize current endeavor is futile and will dump Xbox hardware and start publishing multiplat again. Maybe make a deal with Sony for GamePass on PS EA style once Xbox is out of the picture.
 
- Halo Infinite failed to land
- Redfall failed to land
- Starfield failed to become the game of the generation
- Forza Motorsport 2023 is an embarrassment to the franchise
- Series S gutted Series X sales

Microsoft needs to make COD console exclusive if they want to remain competitive. Now there are rumors of Microsoft cutting this generation short with a next gen Xbox slated for 2025. Great way to earn trust from your loyal customers.
MS is making more money with Xbox now then they ever have. Cutting COD from Playstation would only hurt the COD franchise...not bring Xbox any sales.
Starfield failed to do anything for the console.
Minecraft also didn't leave all other consoles. They make a LOT more money by having these games multiplatform and that's what counts in the end.

Sony doesn't have their games on Xbox because their games sell hardware. Simple as that.

MS didn't just spent 70b on Activision to cut probably half of their source on income by removing this IP from Playstation users. That's suicide from a commercial point of view.
 
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Ar¢tos

Member
Not the best news for console gamers, just hope xbox and Nintendo can stay in the industry and offer consumers more options rather than having sony having a monopoly.
Sony doesn't compete with Nintendo directly and nothing will change if MS stops producing consoles.
Sony will still be pressured to make cost affordable consoles to keep install bases of new products, they still have to make games because hardware alone isn't enough and they'll still need 3rd parties to be successful.
 

elmos-acc

Member
How far back in history do you want to go? Back in the year 1999-2000 or so, Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer were worried that Sony's control of the living room could be a threat to Windows if Sony ever tried to extend their dominance in consumers electronics to computers. The original purpose of the "DirectX Box" was to establish a beachhead in the living room and extend the Windows monopoly there to do battle with Sony, thus killing 2 birds with one stone. MS never cared about gaming, they only cared about finding a reason to fight with Sony.

Of course, Sony has never been interested in doing battle with Windows or MS, and in fact Sony instead decided to become a large media conglomerate which has nothing to do with markets MS traditionally occupied. On the other hand, MS has repeatedly attempted to invade consumer electronics. They tried to attack spinning round movie discs when they fought in the HD DVD vs. Blu-ray format war, a war that forced Sony to enlist literally the entire consumer electronics industry in a never before seen total alliance to fight MS and Toshiba. Microsoft's other ill-fated forays into battlefields beyond their monopoly strongholds include such luminary products like Zune, Surface, and Windows Phone.

Meanwhile, the Xbox brand has become probably the most important consumer-facing brand that MS has, and since nobody likes Windows and Office they have put a lot of resources into Xbox as it's also used to help improve the company's overall consumer image. The failure of Xbox is bad for the company's brand and reputation because without Xbox, MS is just that monopolist who forces everyone on Earth to resentfully use Windows and Office.

MS has spent untold hundreds of billions of US Dollars over the past few decades invading markets they have no genuine financial interest in just because quite frankly they have too much money and nothing to do with it and monopolists like to jump at shadows thinking they are threats. Sony was never a threat to MS, don't fucking care about MS, and would like it if MS fucking just leaves them alone. Meanwhile MS acts like Sony is some existential threat. It beggars belief but that's how monopolists view the world and MS is an exemplary monopolist.
Thank you for finally saying it. Even if you prefer Xbox, I think it is impossible to deny Microsoft's strategy as a corporation.

When it comes to consumer electronics or entertainment, MS has never succeeded. Sure, their Surface laptops might be pretty good, but the midrange Windows laptop market is a mess. Zune might have been pretty good, but the portable media players are pretty redundant these days (except Sony still makes them under the Walkman brand for high-end audio geeks), and their smart phone gamble failed.

People on this forum say that releasing Xbox games on Day 1 PC was a mistake. I think that the bigger problem is that even if the games were only for the console, none of them would be system sellers. Because Xbox has failed to provide unique, quality gaming experiences to their previous demographic, those people have moved to PC or PlayStation.
 

Pelta88

Member
Why is Xbox doing so poorly?

Management that is solely interested in utterly meaningless PR sound bites. Remember, Phil Spencer claimed that purchasing Nintendo would be "His defining career moment." Obviously such a move would be damaging to the industry but that is secondary to the self gratification (via PR) and astroturfed praise they seem addicted to above all else...
 
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Ronin_7

Member
At some point Microsoft has to realise that if they want to actually sell some games from the 30 studios they bought, they have to go multiplatform, right? What good is having all those studios when no one buys your consoles?

Xbox console exclusive games coming out in 2+ years is basically a death certificate.
Those 30 studios are mainly Trash though.

Think it this way, would you rather have a Team of 5 brilliant people or a team of 50 monkey level IQ trash tier lads?
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
How far back in history do you want to go? Back in the year 1999-2000 or so, Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer were worried that Sony's control of the living room could be a threat to Windows if Sony ever tried to extend their dominance in consumers electronics to computers. The original purpose of the "DirectX Box" was to establish a beachhead in the living room and extend the Windows monopoly there to do battle with Sony, thus killing 2 birds with one stone. MS never cared about gaming, they only cared about finding a reason to fight with Sony.

Of course, Sony has never been interested in doing battle with Windows or MS, and in fact Sony instead decided to become a large media conglomerate which has nothing to do with markets MS traditionally occupied. On the other hand, MS has repeatedly attempted to invade consumer electronics. They tried to attack spinning round movie discs when they fought in the HD DVD vs. Blu-ray format war, a war that forced Sony to enlist literally the entire consumer electronics industry in a never before seen total alliance to fight MS and Toshiba. Microsoft's other ill-fated forays into battlefields beyond their monopoly strongholds include such luminary products like Zune, Surface, and Windows Phone.

Meanwhile, the Xbox brand has become probably the most important consumer-facing brand that MS has, and since nobody likes Windows and Office they have put a lot of resources into Xbox as it's also used to help improve the company's overall consumer image. The failure of Xbox is bad for the company's brand and reputation because without Xbox, MS is just that monopolist who forces everyone on Earth to resentfully use Windows and Office.

MS has spent untold hundreds of billions of US Dollars over the past few decades invading markets they have no genuine financial interest in just because quite frankly they have too much money and nothing to do with it and monopolists like to jump at shadows thinking they are threats. Sony was never a threat to MS, don't fucking care about MS, and would like it if MS fucking just leaves them alone. Meanwhile MS acts like Sony is some existential threat. It beggars belief but that's how monopolists view the world and MS is an exemplary monopolist.
Well said mate!
 

Kikorin

Member
If Nintendo don't choose to suicide yet again like in Wii U gen, they'll have the perfect timing to launch Switch 2 with Mario Kart 9, Zelda: TotK Remastered, Metroid Prime 4 cross-gen and main new Super Mario/Smash Bros. in launch window. In meantime they could price drop Switch and still sell it as an indie/cross gen machine for years.
 
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Daneel Elijah

Gold Member
Those 30 studios are mainly Trash though.

Think it this way, would you rather have a Team of 5 brilliant people or a team of 50 monkey level IQ trash tier lads?
Bad analogy IMHO. Unless you can prove that most of those studios had no reason to be on the market. Games are hard to make. I often look at youtuber Mattmcmuscles videos about games failures and more often than not the publisher stupid demands are the reason of why the game failed. Not all studios can make Minecraft, fortnite or TLOU. Even if true, it would be Microsoft job to help those studios grow. Games take time. If even one studio among the ones that Xbox got around 2018/2019 makes a really good game it will be worth it.
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As long as this don't become Microsoft in the future I think that most of their studios won't regret it too much.
 

Loomy

Thinks Microaggressions are Real
I kinda agree but also not with the second half. Zenimax did fuck all for them and CoD will remain multiplat. All they did is miss out on PS money by removing games.
Yeah, I guess the second half is more of a "how could you possibly fuck up now?" statement than anything.
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
This info also makes me wonder if people are ditching the Series S they bought in 2021-2022 when it was the only thing on the shelf and replacing it with a PS5. Similar to how people ditched their Saturn as it was losing steam against PSX.

Which of course would be extra-bad for MS since they need to keep their paltry userbase as active and, ahem, engaged as possible.
 
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Ar¢tos

Member
Bad analogy IMHO. Unless you can prove that most of those studios had no reason to be on the market. Games are hard to make. I often look at youtuber Mattmcmuscles videos about games failures and more often than not the publisher stupid demands are the reason of why the game failed. Not all studios can make Minecraft, fortnite or TLOU. Even if true, it would be Microsoft job to help those studios grow. Games take time. If even one studio among the ones that Xbox got around 2018/2019 makes a really good game it will be worth it.
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As long as this don't become Microsoft in the future I think that most of their studios won't regret it too much.
MS prefers to pay for EXP boost packs and level packs than to grind. That is another of the reasons of their current state.
 
If Nintendo don't choose to suicide yet again like in Wii U gen, they'll have the perfect timing to launch Switch 2 with Mario Kart 9, Zelda: TotK Remastered, Metroid Prime 4 cross-gen and main new Super Mario/Smash Bros. in launch window. In meantime they could price drop Switch and still sell it as an indie/cross gen machine for years.
Nintendo is in an excellent position for a new console.
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
MS is making more money with Xbox now then they ever have. Cutting COD from Playstation would only hurt the COD franchise...not bring Xbox any sales.
Starfield failed to do anything for the console.
Minecraft also didn't leave all other consoles. They make a LOT more money by having these games multiplatform and that's what counts in the end.

Sony doesn't have their games on Xbox because their games sell hardware. Simple as that.

MS didn't just spent 70b on Activision to cut probably half of their source on income by removing this IP from Playstation users. That's suicide from a commercial point of view.
Important to note that this is the difference in the two companies. Sony was and still is a hardware company and Microsoft was and still is a software company.

It's one reason why I think that they should just ditch the Xbox. It's not their wheelhouse, it's not where their talents lie, it's not their strength. Microsoft is a software company and they should be focusing on selling software. If anything, the acquisition of Activision should be giving them more motivation to do that. I think selling consoles and attracting third party devs and all that shit is a distraction, it always has been but we can see the obvious tension here.
 

Daneel Elijah

Gold Member
MS prefers to pay for EXP boost packs and level packs than to grind. That is another of the reasons of their current state.
Even pay people to grind for them if the option to buy EXP don't exist. But those people that work under them should not get lumped with MS bad rep.
 

Woopah

Member
When has Xbox ever done well except for the Xbox 360?

Xbox: flop
Xbox 360: OK
Xbox One: flop
XBS: flop


Xbox doing poorly is the norm. Xbox 360 was the only exception to the rule.
The reason why the Xbox 360 was doing ok was only due to the competition shooting themselves in the foot initially, but the PS3 was outselling the Xbox 360 launch aligned and eventually, the PS3 surpassed it to the finish line.

Xbox doing poorly is in Xbox DNA. They just don't know how to sell the system when the competitors don't shoot themselves in the foot. They have to have some kind of an advantage over the competition to compete.
The Xbox One underperformed, but I would say it sold enough to not be a flop (it was far above Wii U, Vita, GameCube etc.)
Xbox crashing and burning. Next year could be worse without fire sales.

Switch number very impressive. Anybody think it could beat Xbox next year? 😂
Right now the Switch line up looks very very light, so it depends on what else Nintendo announces and whether they are willing to cut the price.
Is this the first year that the PS5 beat the Switch in sales WW?
I believe so yes.
 

Roronoa Zoro

Gold Member
Sony needs to make a deal NOW to get Gamepass and physical al la cart Xbox studios sales on PS. This is when your negotiating position will be strongest. You don't wait until their sales start improving and come groveling.

You say now, when you're at your strongest and they at their weakest that, yeah we'll let Gamepass on here, but we get a cut of every sub on OUR hardware. Also only your studio's games cause we are not cutting into third party sales on our platform. ALSO you offer them full price on our store with our usual cut AND physical copies must be sold. Take it

Eventually Xbox sales will improve which is precisely why it needs to be now. When the ball starts rolling from all these studios you will have missed your opportunity
 
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dem

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Fuck consoles..

I wanna know how much Microsoft is making from Minecraft licensing.
It seems like half the Lego section at toy stores is Minecraft!
 
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FMX

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I am confused as to how Sony is selling all of those consoles but they are having financial issues?
 

ADiTAR

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I am confused as to how Sony is selling all of those consoles but they are having financial issues?
Are they?

We saw with the leak that their games are very expensive to make, and they are trying to hatch a golden GAAS egg. I don't think they have enough AA teams to have filler games that make a decent amount.
 
This info also makes me wonder if people are ditching the Series S they bought in 2021-2022 when it was the only thing on the shelf and replacing it with a PS5. Similar to how people ditched their Saturn as it was losing steam against PSX.

Which of course would be extra-bad for MS since they need to keep their paltry userbase as active and, ahem, engaged as possible.

I'd love to see a chart of the MAUs or even the number of unique logins per month by device for this reason. I suspect you are right.

It's easy to forget that not all of the 20 million or so purchased are active or even have the possibility of being so. It goes for all consoles but 10% of all Xbox Series consoles being inactive is a greater problem than 10% PS5s.
 
Sony needs to make a deal NOW to get Gamepass and physical al la cart Xbox studios sales on PS. This is when your negotiating position will be strongest. You don't wait until their sales start improving and come groveling.

You say now, when you're at your strongest and they at their weakest that, yeah we'll let Gamepass on here, but we get a cut of every sub on OUR hardware. Also only your studio's games cause we are not cutting into third party sales on our platform. ALSO you offer them full price on our store with our usual cut AND physical copies must be sold. Take it

Eventually Xbox sales will improve which is precisely why it needs to be now. When the ball starts rolling from all these studios you will have missed your opportunity
W...what? My god ...why would Sony make MS even stronger? And make them weaker? That way they will have less sales on their own platform, lmao.

I am confused as to how Sony is selling all of those consoles but they are having financial issues?
What financial issues? Sony was never this good lmao.
 

ulantan

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Sony needs to make a deal NOW to get Gamepass and physical al la cart Xbox studios sales on PS. This is when your negotiating position will be strongest. You don't wait until their sales start improving and come groveling.

You say now, when you're at your strongest and they at their weakest that, yeah we'll let Gamepass on here, but we get a cut of every sub on OUR hardware. Also only your studio's games cause we are not cutting into third party sales on our platform. ALSO you offer them full price on our store with our usual cut AND physical copies must be sold. Take it

Eventually Xbox sales will improve which is precisely why it needs to be now. When the ball starts rolling from all these studios you will have missed your opportunity
Why would they want game pass?
 

Topher

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Sony needs to make a deal NOW to get Gamepass and physical al la cart Xbox studios sales on PS. This is when your negotiating position will be strongest. You don't wait until their sales start improving and come groveling.

You say now, when you're at your strongest and they at their weakest that, yeah we'll let Gamepass on here, but we get a cut of every sub on OUR hardware. Also only your studio's games cause we are not cutting into third party sales on our platform. ALSO you offer them full price on our store with our usual cut AND physical copies must be sold. Take it

Eventually Xbox sales will improve which is precisely why it needs to be now. When the ball starts rolling from all these studios you will have missed your opportunity

None of that makes a lick of sense
 
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