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Android Hardware Thread - 2010 Edition

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DrFunk said:
*sigh*

samsung-flagship-deck-2-sm-2.jpg




http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/exclusive-samsung-flagship-phone-with-gingerbread-and-huge-di/
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My goodness that thing is sleek.

I get an upgrade in December.. I don't know if I should get the Captivate then or just wait. I hate picking out phones!
 
I'm disappointed that Google's flagship phone is going to look so horrendous. Unless the thing clocks in at $299 or some other mainstream price without a contract, it is looking like something I would ignore :-/.
 
colinisation said:
Ugh what a horrible flyer, it says 4.3" and 4.5" on the same page, the pics look off and what is the dimension line supposed to be showing on the pic that the hand model has fat fingers.

Would not surprise me if it was shopped.

and wtf at the recommended stickers, recommended by whom and when.
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Calm down, it's just a fucking powerpoint slide.
 
peppermints said:
My goodness that thing is sleek.

I get an upgrade in December.. I don't know if I should get the Captivate then or just wait. I hate picking out phones!
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if its really coming in feb. absolutely wait

i'm too lazy to look it up right now. but 1080p capture, 1.2ghz. is that a dual core hummingbird?
 
Phone Gaf, I have some questions.

I was reading about a T-Mobile phone, the Defy. While its not HSPA+ compatible, and only 3g, it says it can use the new HSPA+ for improved performance and I assume voice/data at the same time? Am I understanding it right? Will a 3G phone benefit in any way on a HSPA+ network?

I am completely out of my league with smartphones. Our contract is up on ATT and we are free to do whatever, so my wife and I want to get smartphones and willing to go to any network really.
 
SimleuqiR said:
I use it all the time, specially for editing text. Placing the cursor with my finger, on the touch screen, is not as elegant or easy on android as it was for me on the iPhone
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I know we're talking about the N2 but I have a trackball on my Eris and if I use it, is because I do so forcibly. But I've never tried it for typing.. think I will now.:lol

Not sure if this was mentioned:

NexusSSpecs.jpg
 
^ :lol

TouchMyBox said:
Dude... it has a 5 Megapixel camera AND graphics?
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fuck YES son.

Graphics.

I don't even know how I even MISSED that shit. I was disappointed that it doesn't even have HSPA+ for some unknown but ridiculous reason, but I'm right back on the hype train!


.. Guess it's either the MT4G or the G2 for me :(
 
CrayzeeCarl said:
:lol

Also, where the hell are the Home, back, menu and search buttons?!
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Home is the big button in the middle, if it's anything like the current galaxy S phones the rest will be capacitive buttons flanking the centre one.
 
It's so hard to root for Android when so much of the hardware is terrible.

Great software.

But Shitty "skins" which carriers will never update past 2 vers.

And hardware that doesn't "have it all."

I once read online that 2010 was the year of the android, but I'm betting it won't come into it's own until another year or two.

From a design perspective, it's all very ugly too. God bless Korea, but these phones are the equivalent of Hyundai cars - they just look like they're trying to do something Japanese/German cars are doing, but the design doesn't come together.

Is it so hard to expect a pure Google experience on hardware that doesn't run and look like shit?

And can I get it for ~$500 w/o a contract with a carrier please? We need to stop letting ourselves get trapped into contracts while keeping the prices of these phones artificially high.
 
peppermints said:
My goodness that thing is sleek.

I get an upgrade in December.. I don't know if I should get the Captivate then or just wait. I hate picking out phones!
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is that an iphone 4? Cuz it looks just like it, home screen and everything.... JK. I know its not but damn could they rip it off anymore?
 
Sapiens said:
It's so hard to root for Android when so much of the hardware is terrible.

Great software.

But Shitty "skins" which carriers will never update past 2 vers.

And hardware that doesn't "have it all."

I once read online that 2010 was the year of the android, but I'm betting it won't come into it's own until another year or two.

From a design perspective, it's all very ugly too. God bless Korea, but these phones are the equivalent of Hyundai cars - they just look like they're trying to do something Japanese/German cars are doing, but the design doesn't come together.
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You're totally leaving out HTC here. They make beautifully designed phones. The only real complaint against them are the cameras they use.
 
kaching said:
Yeah, funny. TouchWiz skin looks like iPhone. That's a new one.
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Well, it doesn’t even look like the current TouchWiz. The icons are all rounded like iOS and some of them are straight design rips. The notification bar was also clearly a shop job since it doesn’t exhibit the usual Android design and icons.

And then there’s the external iPhone 4 antenna. :lol
 
VanMardigan said:
I'd take the good hardware and run Launcher Pro on it.
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LauncherPro can't fix the shit that is Samsung software


giga said:
Well, it doesn’t even look like the current TouchWiz. The icons are all rounded like iOS and some of them are straight design rips. The notification bar was also clearly a shop job since it doesn’t exhibit the usual Android design and icons.

And then there’s the external iPhone 4 antenna. :lol
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i dont believe this slide for second because there are way too many mistakes with an iphone4 shopped on a slide. Its not an android phone
 
gcubed said:
LauncherPro can't fix the shit that is Samsung software




i dont believe this slide for second because there are way too many mistakes with an iphone4 shopped on a slide. Its not an android phone
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The phone does exist, except it's not that phone

: We're confident that the above slide comes from Samsung, but one of the pictures therein is most definitely not of a new Samsung phone -- but rather a VoIP handset by Apiotek from several years ago. Considering the image in question pops up right away in a Google Image search for "ultra slim phone," we're inclined to think Samsung got a little hasty putting together the PowerPoint this time round.
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says engadget
 
gcubed said:
LauncherPro can't fix the shit that is Samsung software




i dont believe this slide for second because there are way too many mistakes with an iphone4 shopped on a slide. Its not an android phone
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You are referring to the file system? I thought I read someone that samsung said they were fixing it on future phones? If not, then yeah, lp isn't going to completely fix the phone since the read/write issues would still bog it down.
 
to build on that dual core rumor

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2010/11/12/nexus-s-delayed-android-2-3-gingerbread/

Anonymous sources, which are deemed trusted, told popular Android-centric blog Android and Me that Samsung had cancelled the Nexus S model in favor of a dual-core model that will be released later with Android 2.3. The hold up with this strategy is that Android 2.3, also known as Gingerbread, isn’t optimized yet for dual-core hardware, causing the delay.

Samsung opted in favor of dual-core models to be more competitive with newer batches of smartphones that are slated to arrive in early 2011 with dual-core chips, most notably those made by NVIDIA in the form of the Tegra 2 CPU. Current generation Android smartphones primarily use ARM-based designs found on Qualcomm’s Snapdragon processor, Texas Instruments OMAP processor, or Samsung’s Hummingbird processor, all of which clock in at a top speed of about 1-1.2 GHz at present.

Samsung at this time can either proceed by releasing a dual-core processor (hardware) with single-core software support, or wait and work with Google to bring dual-core support on the operating system side.

Because of this, Android 2.3 Gingerbread may not be released as early as planned. The Android 2.3 SDK was slated for launch on November 11th, but with the dual-core support issue, the launch of this version of Android could get delayed. It’s unclear at this point if Google can get Android 2.3 out in time for the holiday, but with Android 3.0 Honeycomb around the corner–which promises full tablet support–Google may be competing with itself to try to give smartphone makers a big push before the holidays and try to gear up for a tablet launch with an OS that is optimized for tablets in the first quarter of 2011, which would coincide nicely with Apple’s rumored next-generation iPad launch.

You can visit Android and Me to get their full views on what is causing the delay of the next-generation Android developer phone made by Samsung and also the missed launch dates behind that phone and Android 2.3 Gingerbread.
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i find this hard to believe that google was this short sighted. why would they not optimize their next version to work well with dual core processors from the start?
 
xtop said:
i find this hard to believe that google was this short sighted. why would they not optimize their next version to work well with dual core processors from the start?
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I might agree if Android was on a more typical release cycle, but with new versions coming out basically on a 6 month basis I find it perfectly believable the dual core support just isn't ready. It doesn't have to have anything to do with being short sighted.
 
xtop said:
i find this hard to believe that google was this short sighted. why would they not optimize their next version to work well with dual core processors from the start?
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What dual core ARM chips did they even have access to?

How would they know it was optimized well if they couldn't test it?
 
aswedc said:
I might agree if Android was on a more typical release cycle, but with new versions coming out basically on a 6 month basis I find it perfectly believable the dual core support just isn't ready. It doesn't have to have anything to do with being short sighted.
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According to the rumor though, Gingerbread and Honeycomb are being developed side-by-side and Honeycomb was specifically to address dual-core.

There should at least have been some knowledge transfer between the two teams if that's so.
 
zoku88 said:
What dual core ARM chips did they even have access to?

How would they know it was optimized well if they couldn't test it?
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the chips are hitting production phones right now (or, within the next month or 2), you're telling me google doesn't have access to said chips long before it hits production?
 
xtop said:
the chips are hitting production phones right now (or, within the next month or 2), you're telling me google doesn't have access to said chips long before it hits production?
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Depends on what you mean by "long".
 
I can't say I'm much of even a hobby programmer, I don't think I can even write "Hello world" in C/C++ or Java anymore. But the way I'm assuming they work is that they're working on a lot of things in paralell: some for 2.3, some for 3.0 some that may or may not end up in the OS, etc. And guided by a feature prioryty list or some equivalent to help weed out and prioritize amongst the development efforts. This way you've got a steady pulse of features in development getting pumped into tightly spaced releases, one ofter the other, after they reach maturity.

2.3 being delayed due to dualcore support seems reasonable if it's not yet mature due to not having access to stable silicon. The Linux kernel supports multiple cores natively, but it needs to be thoroughly regression tested first (they build stuff ontop of it after all). I assume that they start with simulations with software from the CPU vendors, then move on to beta silicon and then proceed to the stable stuff. But from what I hear it still takes time, aspecially if you want to do it right and be sure that it's stable.
 
Android and me, where that article originally came from, has been accurate and first on everything nexus s related so far, so my reasons to doubt them are slim
 
gcubed said:
Android and me, where that article originally came from, has been accurate and first on everything nexus s related so far, so my reasons to doubt them are slim
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Weren't they the first to break the Samsung Nexus story? Taylor normally comes through on these things, though I think he got the design rumours wrong assuming the pictures are accurate.
 
Byakuya769 said:
Is honeycomb presumed to be coming to phones too or just tablets?
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Well, before this rumor, it seemed like it was just the next release of Android after Gingerbread, that would be further optimized for tablets but still coming to phones too. But this rumor makes it sound like it's more like their forking Android at this point.
 
OriginalThinking said:
Weren't they the first to break the Samsung Nexus story? Taylor normally comes through on these things, though I think he got the design rumours wrong assuming the pictures are accurate.
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Yup they were the first to break the story about the nexus, I doubted them early on but they have been right on just about everything so far besides as you said the design.
 
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