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The key part of this is "multithreaded applications". And that we all know. That's why i mentioned parallel programming.
The performance will of course be "better". If the application doesn't support it, what's the use?
Some applications, design wise, makes more sense using standard sequential programming.
I'm not saying that more cores is largely useless, i'm just saying it's not the bees knees that everyone thinks. Newer and smaller CPU architectures is far more interesting in terms of lower TDP, which could increase such thing as battery life or clock speed.
Android fanboys have a tendency to get all caught up in specs, whereas the iOS and WP crowd...not so much. I hope one day they'll realize raw CPU power isn't everything. Perhaps if Google put more effort into optimising Android none of your phones would require multiple CPUs nor mountains of RAM to run smoothly. I appreciate a quadcore beast just like every other geek out there, but at the same time, I'm looking at WP running on a 2-year old bottom-of-the-barrel htc POS with nary a hitch, and I wonder if this pattern of increasing CPU counts (and in Samsung's case, screen sizes) is sustainable in the long run.
That's funny because I remember seeing the nexus s running jelly bean smoothly. You need to understand that factors like manufacturer skins and bloatware will undermine the performance that these devices are capable of.
My Captivate (SGS 1, single core and 512MB RAM) runs ICS and JB smoothly, though they're ROMs from the community. I feel like I'm fine with this phone, it runs most apps without a hitch. Waiting to see if Google will announce a new Nexus phone or drop the price of the Galaxy Nexus even more till I consider upgrading. Apple phones need the raw power as well. My old 3GS was starting to age and lag a bit, so I decided to upgrade.
HollovVpo1nt
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Not gonna lie, for some reason when I read that iPhone 5 surpassed 2 million pre-orders, it really pissed me off. Really ruined my mood. You can call me butthurt.
Souless_PJ
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MarkMclovin
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If there was only 1 Android phone that came out once a year, the number of pre orders for that would be off the chain.
Souless_PJ
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Well to be honest there pretty much is. Every single iPhone / 920 comparison is to a galaxy s3 as the only real contender with the nexus coming up the rear as the pure Android experience but worse specs.
highrider
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i had a similar debate and went with the s3, but for me the sd card and removable battery tipped the scales. i also prefered the looks of the amoled screen, the more colorful look as opposed to accurate color.
HollovVpo1nt
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Not sure what the salt images are for cause I basically admitted I am salty about the pre-orders. Can't beleive there are so many people who believe the iPhone 5 is a worthy upgrade to the 4S (it's a faster 4S with a bigger screen..). I have to give Apple some credit though, there is not a sigle point in which they innovate or revolutionise, but their sales keep growing. Much like - as a mentionned multiple times - the Call of Duty franchise. Bitch and moan every single year, but still set records.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Don't forget that people with 4's are recently out of contract and have been waiting for the new one.
Also their phones are of excellent quality and their customer support is great. (Not to sound like a corporate shill) The hype is huge, and marketing overexaggerates, but people aren't being completely manipulated by marketing. I just looked at the Apple page for it and was reminded of one thing I've never understood - not a single Android manufacturer has attempted to create a premium-feel handset at that price point. The One X, S3, Xperia S are all cheap plastic. Any of the 'premium' handsets are stuff like that revolting Lamborghini monstrosity.
Not everyone has a 4s most people have a iPhone 4 and even an iPhone 3GS and are now upgrading to an iPhone 5.
Mecha_Infantry
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What are phone iterations about nowadays? What more do you expect them to be, other than faster?
Do you not realise it's lighter. It's thinner. It's longer lasting. It has LTE and is more powerful
But oh no, that's just nothing. They don't innovate? Do some reading: http://www.bgr.com/2012/08/14/apple-touchscreen-patent-iphone-ipad/ or http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/09/apple-using-custom-arm-core-for-a6-to-balance-performancewatt/
They don't revolutionise? Do some reading: http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/21/iphone-4-most-popular-camera-on-flickr/
smh
Souless_PJ
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Faster CPU. Benching almost 3 times 4S
Faster GPU (will likely bench same as well upon release)
LTE
Faster WiFi
Better front camera (HD Facetime)
Better back camera (better low light, new image signal processor, upgraded video stabilisation)
Substantially thinner
Substantially lighter
Better display quality (full sRGB & 43% better color gammet) + in cell display tech
Larger display
Better audio quality (wideband + new 3 mic setup)
More durable construction
More convenient dock connector (reversible)
Better headphones
All this with better battery life across the board.
Oh yeah nothing has changed at all they just slapped some lipstick on a pig and called it a day
I don't see 2 million pre order being that big a number. The more rabid the fan base, the higher percentage of pre orders. You also have to consider how good the preorder system is. Compare to 20 million S3 sold, 2 million iPhone preorder is not a big deal.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Isn't it 2x the amount of 4S sold in the same time period?
Mecha_Infantry
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I'm speechless!
Souless_PJ
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At this rate it will take the iPhone 10 days to catch the S3's first 100 days of sale. Even with it bring massively front loaded (8 million est in 1st weekend) it will take at most a month.
HollovVpo1nt
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I see. I know the hype is huge though, I just do not understand why the hype is huge though. While I agree with with your arguement regarding handset qualilty, I beleive there are two types:
- How it feels in your hand
- How durable it is (damage resistant)
I think the 'premium' handsets have a better 'feeling in hand' to 'durability' ratio than the 4S. Oufcorse the 4S feels better in the hand, don't drop it though..
Thanks for the humane explanation though
I see
What are phone iterations about nowadays? What more do you expect them to be, other than faster?
Do you not realise it's lighter. It's thinner. It's longer lasting. It has LTE and is more powerful
But oh no, that's just nothing. They don't innovate? Do some reading: http://www.bgr.com/2012/08/14/apple-touchscreen-patent-iphone-ipad/ or http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/09/apple-using-custom-arm-core-for-a6-to-balance-performancewatt/
They don't revolutionise? Do some reading: http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/21/iphone-4-most-popular-camera-on-flickr/
smh
You know, for someone trying to prove a point, you're the one coming over salty here.. take a chill pill. I'll try to combine your post with Souless_PJ's:
Aside from LTE (which would have been a disgrace if they didn't include that), what else can the 5 do what the 4S can not. They started the Siri craze and they got beaten. They started the resolution craze, and they got beaten again.
You know when Android phones got more powerfull over a period of time? That's when people said yeah but iOS ( to which I agree). The thing is, the competition is getting more powerfull and more functioncal compared to iOS. I guess what I am trying to say is that sticking to iPhone/iOS was justified because if it's apparent superiority, but now it is not anymore and I'm pretty pissed about that. I know I'm comparing two different realms here, but since it's a gaming forum I'll mention it anyways: I would hate to see a game developer who does unique games that get no attention go down because of a developer/ publisher who rehashes the same product every year (with engine tweaks).
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Well, it's been said a few times but - what do you expect them to add? They've polished their phone to such a degree now that I really don't know what else people expect it to do.
I'd disagree about the competition being considerably more functional. I'm a former iphone 4 user and now have an Xperia S (which i love) and sometimes a One XL, and the core, day to day functions are all so similar. The stuff on the fringe wouldn't matter to most users. My bf has been choosing between the iPhone 5 and the Xperia P (i think) and asked what the Sony does that the iPhone doesn't. I couldn't really think of much, and anything I could think of he wouldn't give a shit about.
Yes, some of it is marketing, but Apple just do the 'must have' product so much better than the competition that it's mind boggling noone has at least attempted to emulate it (Samsung jokes aside) in feel and finish. It sucks when other phones get steamrolled by the hype machine, but noone's really stepping up to the plate, so...
To be fair LG Prada phones have been fairly premium, but I get your point. I think closest we have now is Xperia P, which isn't a top-range phone and then Xperia T certainly does look premium.
I honestly don't get this defeatist attitude Apple fans display when it comes to smartphone innovation. Look at all the stuff Nokia packed into the 920. Sure, some of it is gimmicky, but most of it is genuinely useful and I refuse to believe that you wouldn't want any of it in your phone.
The way it is now, the iPhone is your typical annual franchise update. Wholly unexciting, more Madden than RDR.
The way it is now, the iPhone is your typical annual franchise update. Wholly unexciting, more Madden than RDR.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
The Prada one was the other one I was thinking of - their latest one had like 8gb of memory and was made out of plastic. So high end!
It's that same old muddled approach from Sony though - why isn't the S, their supposed flagship, the 'premium finish' one? Why does a lower end phone have a metal chassis and the S is cheap, shitty plastic? The T looks pretty hot, but it's like they just throw a million products out and forget about them. Noone could argue that Apple's approach isn't incredibly focused - everyone else is just flinging shit around and hoping it sticks.
Damon Bennet
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but have you not heard? NFC is not secure and gimmicky and without any use. Who would want that
wireless charging? pah! If I need to put it in a special place, i could just put in the cable, its the same.
who would want to use their phone with gloves on, anyway? and the ad for the camera was fake. shame on you, nokia for fooling us trusting customers
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
NFC is the one thing I'm really surprised isn't in the iPhone, given the Mastercard announcement about them rolling it out later this year. Maybe they're right though and it's just not ready for the general public yet? I'm not sure how it could be any less secure money-wise than the current cards with chips on them.
Even just using tags for switching profiles and stuff on my Xperia S is great.
Even just using tags for switching profiles and stuff on my Xperia S is great.
Souless_PJ
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I honestly think that Apple will combine NFC with fingerprint tech from their purchase of AuthenTec. The entire company is based around this tech - why else would they buy them. It's just not 100% ready yet.
Need something to be a bullet point for the 5S - they aren't going to redesign it again.
Need something to be a bullet point for the 5S - they aren't going to redesign it again.
The Prada one was the other one I was thinking of - their latest one had like 8gb of memory and was made out of plastic. So high end!
It's that same old muddled approach from Sony though - why isn't the S, their supposed flagship, the 'premium finish' one? Why does a lower end phone have a metal chassis and the S is cheap, shitty plastic? The T looks pretty hot, but it's like they just throw a million products out and forget about them. Noone could argue that Apple's approach isn't incredibly focused - everyone else is just flinging shit around and hoping it sticks.
I thought you meant look and feel, cause the prada certainly looks and feels premium.
I agree on the P and S distinction. I just think it was the case of Sony wanting to get the S out there as soon as possible because the Arc S was ridiculed for being a single core flagship (even though it runs as smoothly as the Galaxy S2). Both P and U came some time after the S, so I'd definitely say it was rushed. Having said that, the iconic NXT design does give the phone a premium look.
The reason why T is being released is because Sony wants to have two sets of phone out this year and probably in the subsequent years too. Samsung, LG and HTC are doing the same, either through refreshes or brand new smartphones in the first and second half of the year. The T does certainly feel like the most complete package from Sony, hell I'd even say from all the Android handset makers. It seems to be incredibly well optimised (according to benchmarks), it's the best Android cameraphone and its design is probably the best out there. Sony is also doing a very smart thing, releasing regional variants of the phone (so in japan the GX has infrared and is waterproof, in the US there's a metal frame around the phone to compete with Apple's premium design, the whole T vs TX distinction etc). It just really pains me when you read a WP v Android v Apple discussion and you see really a Lumia v Galaxy v iPhone discussion. There's just so many more and better handsets in the Android market.
MarkMclovin
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More functionality will come with a better UI. It's dated, looks like shit and needs a complete overhaul. Yes, it works and yes it does whatever you want it to but only as an idevice.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
I mean more the feel of the device in the hand, like it really cost something to make, and not just thrown together with plastic. The T really does look great - Sony are the only other manufacturer who are on par with Apple in their designs, imo.
I agree about the phone market, certainly pays to do some research and check them out. The One X is always thrown around (or was, at the time) as the top phone to beat, but the multitasking on it was horrible! It was almost unusable for some tasks, and I say that without any exaggeration. Such a massive fuckup by HTC, but not a single review mentioned it. The S has been great for me.
Part of why I switched was because of Apple's stuff having to be 'tethered' to a single machine for music library, iTunes Match, etc. Absolutely needs an overhaul in that regard but I doubt that'll happen.
I agree, at the start of the year I was looking for a high-end smartphone and every was throwing around Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy SII. I randomly stumbled onto Xperia Arc S and after a lot of research ended up buying it. The phone was much cheaper than Nexus or SII and was laughed at on the internet because it didn't have 2 cores or AMOLED display. However when I bought it, it worked amazingly well, the Gingerbread on the device felt as smooth as ever, it had an amazing camera and a design that was above any other smartphone out there.
I unfortunately lost it and when I wanted to buy a new phone this summer, I jumped on RAZR (foolishly) because it had dual-core, 1GB or RAM, AMOLED display etc. But I was fucking frustrated with it until the ICS hit it and even now the phone isn't as smooth and fluid as I remember the Arc S being. My brother has an Arc S so we compared and really RAZR was the the worse phone, despite the hype and the tech talk behind it. So now I'm trying to swap my RAZR either for the Xperia S, P or Arc S.
I feel this is the case in Android market with pretty much every Sony phone. They are underrated because of the specs inside but everytime I see or get a chance to use one of the Xperias they are just a joy to use. Sony's designs also help, I think they did a good job raising awareness with the S and now they have to build on it with T, use the James Bond phone tagline and simply get it out there.
mescalineeyes
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By that definition it's a miracle that Android has any functionality whatsoever.
I don't understand. Android has the best UI currently in jellybean. This joke doesn't make any sense.
mescalineeyes
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It's both ugly and counter-intuitive, so, no, I don't think so.
Yet it's sprawling with functionality.
You win some you lose some.
In the context of this argument, the bolded is all that matters. Otherwise, its a subjective argument
I personally find pre-ICS Android to be viciously ugly compared to any iteration of iOS, and all of them uglier compared to WP. I find iOS stale, clinical, childish and sometimes an unintuitive design (on the phone side), while ICS and JB to look more industrial, "grown up" and fantastically laid out thanks to Holo guidelines.
I will say that iOS and JB/ICS side by side remind me of the console UIs in Nintendo/Sony respectively.
mescalineeyes
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Nothing about Holo looks "grown up" to me. It looks average at best and I think any capable designer will tell you that it's nothing special. It's a modern, space-age and manly design, overrun with gaudy gradients and unneeded glowing effects. Also, it's marred by the clash of 2 design styles (Holo dark and Holo light), which quite frankly, don't go well together (plus, I find Holo light to be downright ugly).
I see your Nintendo / Sony comparison, and I don't think it holds true, since anything Sony does has way more class than Google has ever made in terms of design (hell, look at the xperia phones' custom Android skin).
I'd say that iOS is a 5 year old Mercedes while Android is a brand spanking new Toyota, if you wanna go the route of failed comparisons.
But yes, JB, out of the box, does more than the iPhone, even with a slew of apps, ever will (or is allowed to) do.
Some people just don't happen to care about it, and after using a Gnex for 4 months I am one of them.
ICS is "grown up"? I really like the look of Holo, but that's because it looks like it came right out of Tron. I couldn't see any non-geek taking a fancy to ICS's aesthetics.
Jellybean's Google Now cards, that's what looks like a grown-up interface, if there is such a thing. Clean lines and typography, nothing as intimidating as the blue on black in ICS.
Jellybean's Google Now cards, that's what looks like a grown-up interface, if there is such a thing. Clean lines and typography, nothing as intimidating as the blue on black in ICS.
The problem with the analogy I keep seeing (if we must use it) is that the phone isn't the game - it's the console.
Some people value stuff like getting the newest apps and games (whether it be an exclusive or just timed), smooth performance, timely updates, etc. it shouldn't be that difficult to understand that many people want to be able to play both RDR and Madden, rather than maybe a Madden port whenever a developer gets around to it.
Sqrt_minus_one
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There is a Holo Light? I think thats just the Contacts App, no idea why El Goog chose that distinction for the Contacts App alone, only 1 theme really.
Disclaimer - I am an Android user and have no intention of switching. My opinion of all OS's:
WP - Consistent implementation. Good ideas but a scrolling list app picker is not a very good design especially if you have a large amount of apps installed. Android had this previously and dropped it, it makes no sense. Scroll stop, scroll stop, scroll stop constantly stopping to see if you have passed the app you were looking for. I like live tiles but again seems to be a halfway house for real widgets.
iOS - like WP great consistent implementation, not much to hate not much to love. Pet hate the tying you to Apple's ecosystem I despise iTunes for being slow and refuse to use it one of the reasons why I will never be happy with an iOS device.
Android - In a sentence Android can be summarised as "Hey guys lets throw all this shit at the wall and see what sticks."
I think the UI is the most functional and has been for some time, was ugly pre ICS to some thought it was OK. widgets, app selection, the fact that I am not tied to anyone hardware vendor - SoC wise, or even the fact that I can swap out Google's UI for one I prefer means that I am happy. Throw in ability to sideload apps and the open nature of it's development and I cannot see a reason to leave.
How does music and video purchasing work without iTunes? Do you guys just use a website instead?
Once you install more than 40 apps you can tap on any alphabetised header and it'll bring up a jump list.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuOF84-0kFY
mescalineeyes
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I'd be a stupid sheep if I didn't. I am constantly amazed by the things I can do with my Gnex.
Yup, I am fairly certain I will never hook up my iPhone to iTunes going forward, thanks to iCloud and iTunes Match.
There's an app for that. Seriously.
The name, sir.
mescalineeyes
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iTunes :x
it comes pre-installed on every iOS device. Looks like the AppStore icon except it's purple/pink and has the iTunes logo in the center. (The music played is called Music.app since I believe iOS 5.)
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