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[Spinluck]

They were obtained by a third party, prove them wrong with some concrete argument other than "Apple showed them".


1. Timed exclusive is still exclusive, this is a fact. Therefore stuff like Instagram counted.
2. Infinity Blade sells more than 90% of the games talked about on GAF. It's not some niche game.


Good build quality, lack of stupid carrier/manufacturer branding/software (TouchWiz lol), smooth scrolling.

Then it's games like Infinity Blade, Real Racing, etc. Contrary to your beliefs, games that could even be considered hardcore like Infinity Blade are popular as evidenced by their download counts. If you want me to count, I'll add IB, EA Games, Square Games, etc. It's the combined presence of all of them that makes good numbers.

For a high profile non-game app, I'll mention tweetdeck. Also Facetime is hands down the best video chat application that's available on any platform by far.

It's official GAF, there's not debating with him. Lol.

+5,000,000 is not that much if you consider how many smarphones are out there, and part of that number belongs to iPads. +100,000,000 for the free Angry Birds app.

LOL, implying that non-Apple phones cannot have good build quality, nice one.

You mean the same TweetDeck that's on like, Android too, and Windows and like everything else??

Skype is still the better free video communication tool, you are just being foolish now. More options and functionality, can talk to anyone outside of your platform, SMS, and just more overall versatility. What is it that makes Facetime better? I'll give you video quality, but that can vary greatly.

Clearly, we've established iOS is better for gaming, I am not rebuking that. But I'm pretty sure, Android isn't losing a large chunk of their install base or potential new comers because of this. I don't see Google desperately trying to match iOS in this aspect, and when I look at the Android Gaming Thread here, it makes me realize they don't need to. You are acting like this is as big as them missing a music player, or picture viewer or something...

Just for clarification. I think both OS's are fairly matched, but lean more towards Android, there are less Apps, but I feel as if I can do more and control more. At least, without rooting or jailbreaking my device. I don't think there is some overwhelming advantage, like Coldfoot seems to think, and it can ultimately come down to preference.

I think iOS is great and very accessible, efficient, and overall offers a pretty good user experience. My girlfriend loves her iPhone 5, and I think it's a pretty slick device and have used it a couple of times. I do dislike the static and fairly dated feeling UI though, and feel as if Android OS is advancing fast than iOS. iOS6 didn't turn any heads, from what I've read and seen.

I think Windows, or Metro, or....

I think it's pretty nice, my buddy has an 820, I think. And I really liked the UI, it looked fairly fresh, but sometimes it feels too Zune-ish. Haven't had too much time with it, but I would imagine the App support is on the low side. I think it need more time to really take off.

 

[buhdeh]

Edit: Holy shit I just realized you are the same guy that was rambling off nonsense earlier in this thread. What a waste of time.

LMAO. No kidding.

He's still trying to convince people that IRC and Whatsapp serve the same purpose. And somehow FaceTime is the "best" webcam experience... a barebones app locked down to a single platform. Then he goes off on literally opposite and contradictory arguments regarding iOS and OS X.

And this goldmine:

Statistics show that direct messaging is 100 times more preferable for people compared to IRC. There are 12 times as many people who would care more about playing Infinity Blade , which is an irrelevant game according to some, than being on IRC.

has got to be a joke post or I'm going to cry.

 

[Spinluck]

LMAO. No kidding.

He's still trying to convince people that IRC and Whatsapp serve the same purpose. And somehow FaceTime is the "best" webcam experience... a barebones app locked down to a single platform. Then he goes off on literally opposite and contradictory arguments regarding iOS and OS X.

And this goldmine: has got to be a joke post or I'm going to cry.

I LOL'd a few times, but I am sure he isn't trolling, and is 100% serious.

 

[coldfoot]

It's official GAF, there's not debating with him. Lol.

+5,000,000 is not that much if you consider how many smarphones are out there, and part of that number belongs to iPads. +100,000,000 for the free Angry Birds app.

That is one app. You can easily find 10-20 million-sellers on iOS not available on Android and you just add those up.

LOL, implying that non-Apple phones cannot have good build quality, nice one.

Haven't seen one that matches it.

You mean the same TweetDeck that's on like, Android too, and Windows and like everything else??

Meant to say tweetbot sorry.

Skype is still the better free video communication tool, you are just being foolish now.
More options and functionality, can talk to anyone outside of your platform, SMS, and just more overall versatility. What is it that makes Facetime better? I'll give you video quality, but that can vary greatly.

Skype is garbage, because:
1. You have to be signed in all the time for people to call you, horrible design because you will definitely get disconnected from the server and then people won't be able to call you. Try explaining that to your parents. Facetime is easy, you just pull up your contact and choose the Facetime option.
2. Video/audio quality and stability of Facetime is head and shoulders above anything. I have used many video chat apps extensively to overseas destinations and skype is pretty much garbage compared to facetime. I get a smooth 30fps without hiccups on Facetime vs. 15 fps on Skype.

For the record I was hating on WP until I tried Windows 8 (not mobile) and loved the smoothness of the OS. Android is still an hiccup-prone non-smooth OS so I would never consider it, even if they paid me money to use one over the iPhone. I'll go WP before I even consider Android despite the lack of apps. It's IOS>WP8>Android for me.

 

[VanWinkle]

Android is still an hiccup-prone non-smooth OS so I would never consider it ever. I'll go WP before I even consider Android despite the lack of apps. It's IOS>WP8>Android for me.

Oh, so you're just stubborn, okay. You can't and won't deal with reason. My S3 is far smoother than my iPhone 4. That may not be the case for the newest iPhone's, but your exaggerations are laughable, as have been most of your statements (like your Facebook app argument, which I refuted and you didn't respond to).

 

[coldfoot]

I LOL'd a few times, but I am sure he isn't trolling, and is 100% serious.

You're totally circumventing my ignore list by your quoting, please be more careful.

 

[coldfoot]

Oh, so you're just stubborn, okay. You can't and won't deal with reason. My S3 is far smoother than my iPhone 4. That may not be the case for the newest iPhone's, but your exaggerations are laughable, as have been most of your statements (like your Facebook app argument, which I refuted and you didn't respond to).

Since you're comparing the S3 to iPhone 4, Let's compare the iPhone 5 to some piece of crap Android phone from 2010 still running 2.2 or 2.3. They probably didn't even get an official update to 4.1 unlike the iPhone 4 which got an update to iOS6. Then, let's talk about the stupid soft buttons at the bottom of the screen that I always accidentally hit when typing text instead of the spacebar.

You've already said the iOS facebook app is better and it is also more power efficient, being written in native code. It's these things that makes iOS a far better platform than Android.

 

[Shai-Tan]

what we have these days is more services to fill every use case. in the past there was email, irc, then instant messaging/sms. now we've got things like twitter, a million forums and web sites, products like facebook that integrate several different types of services. the holy grail of instant messaging is having good group chat which is basically doing some of what irc used to be the goto for but something like whatsapp is a circle of friends type app. there are loads of use cases where an anonymous or semi anonymous open forum is called for and you also see those everywhere - people just don't got to efnet or whatever to get it. it's on video streaming sites, in game chat which often literally has channels, some web sites either have irc embedded in their page or some kind of irc equivalent, etc and so on. a lot of these services overlap in a few ways.

 

[maharg]

Then, let's talk about the stupid soft buttons at the bottom of the screen that I always accidentally hit when typing text instead of the spacebar.

I hope you follow it up by talking about the stupid physical button that's prone to becoming unresponsive.

(in b4 "but my home button still works!")

IRC was popular in the 90's where direct messaging was just barely starting to become popular, then direct messaging took over and IRC never recovered.
Therefore for an overwhelming majority of people, IRC and direct messaging served the same function, which was to chat with people, and they chose direct messaging and abandoned IRC.

So my argument for iOS not having IRC: Nobody cares.

My god you are just full of nonsense aren't you.

 

[coldfoot]

I hope you follow it up by talking about the stupid physical button that's prone to becoming unresponsive.

That's a real problem with iPhone 4's that Apple later fixed with 4S and 5. Still, the iPhone 4 was better than any Android phone from its time.

My god you are just full of nonsense aren't you.

Nope I showed facts and figures about IRC's irrelevance in 2012.

 

[VanWinkle]

Since you're comparing the S3 to iPhone 4, Let's compare the iPhone 5 to some piece of crap Android phone from 2010 still running 2.2 or 2.3. They probably didn't even get an official update to 4.1 unlike the iPhone 4 which got an update to iOS6. Then, let's talk about the stupid soft buttons at the bottom of the screen that I always accidentally hit when typing text instead of the spacebar.

You've already said the iOS facebook app is better and it is also more power efficient, being written in native code. It's these things that makes iOS a far better platform than Android.

Wow, the difference between iPhone 4 and iPhone 5 are as big a difference as a 2010 Android phone and a 2012 Android phone? Here I thought iPhone's big advantage was always fluidity, even before iPhone 4 existed.

Also, I said that I'm sure iOS app is probably better since it's native, although there's no actual indicator of that when in the app itself (from what I used, granted). You said it's faster. It wasn't. You said it was way smoother. It wasn't. You said iOS app had chat built in. So does Android.

 

[maharg]

You compared two things that aren't related to each other in any meaningful way.

But then, you also think people use IRC to pirate in 2012. You really have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[The Faceless Master]

IRC is pretty popular in the FGC

and piracy on IRC dropped like a rock right around the point in time when file sizes of games and media increased and companies started securing their servers properly so there weren't rogue DCC bots running out of their offices...

 

[coldfoot]

Wow, the difference between iPhone 4 and iPhone 5 are as big a difference as a 2010 Android phone and a 2012 Android phone? Here I thought iPhone's big advantage was always fluidity, even before iPhone 4 existed.

Not as big, but you compare tech based on the timeframe it's released.

Also, I said that I'm sure iOS app is probably better since it's native, although there's no actual indicator of that when in the app itself (from what I used, granted). You said it's faster. It wasn't. You said it was way smoother. It wasn't. You said iOS app had chat built in. So does Android.

Try running it on a 2-year old Android phone to see the difference.

 

[maharg]

IRC is pretty popular in the FGC

and piracy on IRC dropped like a rock right around the point in time when file sizes of games and media increased and companies started securing their servers properly so there weren't rogue DCC bots running out of their offices...

Really it dropped like a rock when Napster came out and made pirating about a billion times easier for average users.

And the 'average users' who were 'using' IRC for that purpose probably didn't even know what it was called. Or if they did, they thought it was mIRC. IRC's main demographic has been and always will be technically-minded power users, and it's definitely not going away for those people because nothing (least of all whatsapp hah) has come along to replace it.

 

[VanWinkle]

Not as big, but you compare tech based on the timeframe it's released.

So is a iPhone 5 that has never been used significantly more fluid (not fast; we know the new phones are faster) than an iPhone 4 that has never been used?

 

[coldfoot]

You compared two things that aren't related to each other in any meaningful way.

They are programs that allow people to type to one another.

But then, you also think people use IRC to pirate in 2012. You really have no idea what you're talking about.

That's when I left IRC, as soon as a far better alternative was apparent. The world would not be missing anything if IRC completely vanished overnight.

 

[Windu]

You compared two things that aren't related to each other in any meaningful way.

But then, you also think people use IRC to pirate in 2012. You really have no idea what you're talking about.

dude I've watched Numb3rs. I know all about the shipping lanes in IRC.

 

[coldfoot]

So is a iPhone 5 that has never been used significantly more fluid (not fast; we know the new phones are faster) than an iPhone 4 that has never been used?

The fact that a phone has never been used or not has no bearing on how fluid it is. Iphone 4 is pretty fluid but there are moments where it isn't. Those moments are far less often on the 4S and even less on the 5.

 

[Con_Smith]

Coldfoot were you using an android pre ICS/jellybean? My experience between the two has been nothing but smooth and enjoyable.

Android truely is what you make it, and as I have been with the platform since droid 1 and have paid attention to the rooting and rom community I feel I have always been able to stay current with the latest google has had to offer software wise and in many aspects play with many features iphone users now get to utilize. I have always had a great free turn by turn navigation as well as speech to type. I had siri style apps before siri really took off and thanks to a great community of third party apps have been able to make my phone do and feel how I want it to best be utilized.

My only gripe comes with the fragmentation that causes so much slowdown between updates due to the manufactures dragging their feet, but even then I have seen many people who may not be able afford the next big thing pick up some froyo device and still feel apart of the smart phone world we now live in. People slam google all the time for not locking down, intoducing the next new thing while the current is still breathing, or whatever but the fact that its system can be ported with not much problem allows the android name to hit more than just the tech heads and hipsters. The fact there is a decent selection and choice to what and how you can interact is what I love.

 

[maharg]

They are programs that allow people to type to one another.

And a bicycle and an airplane are things that guzzle gas to get you from point A to point B.

I'm sorry you were using IRC wrong. It's still not going anywhere.

 

[The Faceless Master]

They are programs that allow people to type to one another.

a typewriter, envelopes and stamps does that too.

 

[Spinluck]

You're totally circumventing my ignore list by your quoting, please be more careful.

If you want to hold a grudge, go ahead, ignore me. I don't really care.

With the nonsense you've been spouting, I won't miss my post not being seen by you, Coldfoot.

I just wish you weren't incredibly biased, and that you didn't make such ridiculous claims and backward arguments.

iOS is a closed platform, and that allows it to have certain advantages like, idk, garnering more revenue from certain apps. It's also why Android doesn't get the same amount of game support. But the trade off is more open and a less proprietary experience. Far more customization, and so on.

Lemme guess, people don't care about anything that the iPhone or iOS lacks right? I bet turn by turn, and a proper GPS didn't matter and the one that iOS had was just fine? It's not like low tier Android phones had a better maps experience than iOS for a while right?

The fact that you said that Android is still stuttery and not smooth makes me wonder why I'm still trying to reason with you..

 

[The Faceless Master]

If you want to hold a grudge, go ahead, ignore me. I don't really care.

With the nonsense you've been spouting, I won't miss my post not being seen by you, Coldfoot.

I just wish you weren't incredibly biased, and that you didn't make such ridiculous claims and backward arguments.

iOS is a closed platform, and that allows it to have certain advantages like, idk, garnering more revenue from certain apps. It's also why Android doesn't get the same amount of game support. But the trade off is more open and a less proprietary experience. Far more customization, and so on.

Lemme guess, people don't care about anything that the iPhone or iOS lacks right? I bet turn by turn, and a proper GPS didn't matter and the one that iOS had was just fine? It's not like low tier Android phones had a better maps experience than iOS for a while right?

The fact that you said that Android is still stuttery and not smooth makes me wonder why I'm still trying to reason with you..

why are you even responding? lol

 

[Cipherr]

Coldfoot were you using an android pre ICS/jellybean?

Absolutely not on the Jellybean front. That's a very quick way to identify the people who have and haven't used any JB devices. If they are still claiming its a laggy mess, then they haven't used it, period. We have had more than a few Gaffers even make that accusation, then after drilling down on them, find out they haven't ever tried it, and were instead just repeating what they heard about Android, or parroting an experience from some old Gingerbread phone or something from 2010.

Hell one gaffer was fierce on the matter of JB being laggy, then straight up told us he hadn't really used it. Made the effort to actually go out and try it, then came back and admitted he was shocked that the OS was indeed now extremely fluid and 60fps. At this point, and probably for a while longer, we will be able to use anyone calling any recent Android flagship device 'laggy' as a big ass, voluntarily worn, dunce cap. It was true for a time, but those days are gone, most just dont know it yet.

 

[VanWinkle]

Absolutely not on the Jellybean front. That's a very quick way to identify the people who have and haven't used any JB devices. If they are still claiming its a laggy mess, then they haven't used it, period. We have had more than a few Gaffers even make that accusation, then after drilling down on them, find out they haven't ever tried it, and were instead just repeating what they heard about Android, or parroting an experience from some old Gingerbread phone or something from 2010.

Hell one gaffer was fierce on the matter of JB being laggy, then straight up told us he hadn't really used it. Made the effort to actually go out and try it, then came back and admitted he was shocked that the OS was indeed now extremely fluid and 60fps. At this point, and probably for a while longer, we will be able to use anyone calling any recent Android flagship device 'laggy' as a big ass voluntary dunce cap. It was true for a time, but those days are gone, most just dont know it yet.

Was that dark10x? LOL, I remember him talking about how Jelly Bean is still a laggy mess which cracked me up. Do you have a link to his post after he tried it?

Edit: never mind, found it.

 

[coldfoot]

Coldfoot were you using an android pre ICS/jellybean? My experience between the two has been nothing but smooth and enjoyable.

Only android device I own is an HP Touchpad running a nightly CM9 build from August, so ICS but not JB. It's got pretty beefy hardware, but the OS is just crap in my opinion. I hate everything about it from the very subjective matter of design, to the soft keys at the bottom of the screen, to its sluggishness, super ugly fonts, the fact that it signs me in to google talk even when I close it, etc.

Android to me reminds me of dealing with Windows PC's in the 98/XP era. I do not want to customize anything besides the basic stuff. I am not OK with a single OS being made to run on millions of different devices. The best OS is just a firmware tailored to one or very limited number of hardware. That's the way I want it. Android's for nerds who have too much time to mess with their phones.

 

[Spinluck]

Try running it on a 2-year old Android phone to see the difference.

Before getting her iPhone 5, my girlfriend had a 3GS she got earlier last year, a brand new one at that. And it was laggy, unresponsive, and at times completely unusable. And there were quite a bit of features that she missed out on, the fragmentation isn't on Androids level. But the efficiency of the OS with all the updates was terribad for an Apple device, and it was pretty comparable to some old low tier Android phones, not as shitty, but comparable.

Of course this isn't apparent with the iPhone 4 on up(although one of my friends has some issues every now and then).

 

[Spinluck]

Android's for nerds who have too much time to mess with their phones.

Says the one who was saying Android needs more games, and says that this is essential, more essential than actual essentials. Ok.

 

[Con_Smith]

Absolutely not on the Jellybean front. That's a very quick way to identify the people who have and haven't used any JB devices. If they are still claiming its a laggy mess, then they haven't used it, period. We have had more than a few Gaffers even make that accusation, then after drilling down on them, find out they haven't ever tried it, and were instead just repeating what they heard about Android, or parroting an experience from some old Gingerbread phone or something from 2010.

Hell darkx10 was fierce on the matter of JB being laggy, then straight up told us he hadn't really used it. Made the effort to actually go out and try it, then came back and admitted he was shocked that the OS was indeed now extremely fluid and 60fps.

Hell I'm running a rom of it on the Droid 4 and haven't had an issue yet. My battery seems to last much longer and google now is such a handy and useful feature that people spouting accusations of old should be called out. Android gets shit on alot, but as I said the thing is what you make it. And because of the diverse community the inhouse functionality just continues to get better and better despite the naysayers and nitpickers.

 

[coldfoot]

Says the one who was saying Android needs more games, and says that this is essential, more essential than actual essentials. Ok.

5 million Infinity Blade downloads disagree with you, there aren't that many nerds around. Everyone can play games but few people bother to actually learn tech stuff. I don't care much for it myself when it comes to phone customization.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Only android device I own is an HP Touchpad running a nightly CM9 build from August, so ICS but not JB. It's got pretty beefy hardware, but the OS is just crap in my opinion. I hate everything about it from the very subjective matter of design, to the soft keys at the bottom of the screen, to its sluggishness, super ugly fonts, the fact that it signs me in to google talk even when I close it, etc.

Android to me reminds me of dealing with Windows PC's in the 98/XP era. I do not want to customize anything besides the basic stuff. I am not OK with a single OS being made to run on millions of different devices. The best OS is just a firmware tailored to one or very limited number of hardware. That's the way I want it. Android's for nerds who have too much time to mess with their phones.

aaaaaaaannnnnndddddddddd i'm out!

 

[JoeFu]

This thread is hilarious.

 

[mescalineeyes]

Before getting her iPhone 5, my girlfriend had a 3GS she got earlier last year, a brand new one at that. And it was laggy, unresponsive, and at times completely unusable. And there were quite a bit of features that she missed out on, the fragmentation isn't on Androids level. But the efficiency of the OS with all the updates was terribad for an Apple device, and it was pretty comparable to some old low tier Android phones, not as shitty, but comparable.

The fact that a 3.5 year old phone is supported as much as it is can't possibly be your counter argument to Android's fragmentation, where even some year old phones can't run the 2 latest OSs. Shame on you.

 

[Cipherr]

aaaaaaaannnnnndddddddddd i'm out!

That part you bolded should become his tag.


"The only Android device I own is an HP Touchpad"


No words....

 

[Spinluck]

The fact that a 3.5 year old phone is supported as much as it is can't possibly be your counter argument to Android's fragmentation, where even some year old phones can't run the 2 latest OSs. Shame on you.

But Apple supports all it's devices forever.

Only Android does fragmentation, thought all of GAF knew this.

EDIT: But really. Funny you picked out this one post towards him out of all my others, I know how old the phone is, and understand that.

But there's a point where you should just stop, if the newer updates will cripple the phone, then.. don't update it.

 

[maharg]

Android to me reminds me of dealing with Windows PC's in the 98/XP era. I do not want to customize anything besides the basic stuff. I am not OK with a single OS being made to run on millions of different devices. The best OS is just a firmware tailored to one or very limited number of hardware. That's the way I want it. Android's for nerds who have too much time to mess with their phones.

Oh god, you were an apple user in the 90s, weren't you?

 

[The Faceless Master]

That's when I left IRC, as soon as a far better alternative was apparent. The world would not be missing anything if IRC completely vanished overnight.

one more thing...

But it’s not all doom and gloom in the world of IRC, however. Freenode.net is not following the typical trend. Rather it seems to be growing by leaps and bounds, up 486% from 2003 to 2012 in terms of users. According to Freenode’s blog, the network passed 80,000 concurrent connections on April 2, 2012.

In fact, Freenode has, according to these numbers, just become the number one IRC network in the world, just bypassing QuakeNet.

Christel Dahlskjaer, President of Peer-Directed Projects Center(PDPC), the organization that operates Freenode, explains the network’s growth with its focus on free and open source software.

“Freenode has indeed grown and continues to grow,” Dahlskjaer explains. “Freenode has never been a ‘traditional’ IRC network though. Our users tend to come to Freenode because they contribute to or use a free and open source (or other peer-directed) project that has a channel or more on the network. Then in turn other projects come to Freenode because there is a lot of overlap when it comes to users and contributors across the various projects.”

sounds like software development and collaboration would suffer... yep, the world would be missing something indeed.

 

[coldfoot]

But Apple supports all it's devices forever.

Only Android does fragmentation, thought all of GAF knew this.

People at least still use Apple phones from 2009. People who bought android devices from 2009 probably threw it away at the first opportunity.

I've used a 3GS with iOS5, it's slow but nothing like Android.

 

[coldfoot]

Oh god, you were an apple user in the 90s, weren't you?

Nope I used Windows. Apple OS's in the 90's weren't any better than Windows so there would be no point to it. Went Apple when I finally had enough of Vista. Then came back for 7, then away because I had enough of MS Outlook.

 

[The Faceless Master]

The fact that a 3.5 year old phone is supported as much as it is can't possibly be your counter argument to Android's fragmentation, where even some year old phones can't run the 2 latest OSs. Shame on you.

it's not supported as much as it can be though, it's artificially hobbled by bogus limitations, while i have Google Now on my 2 year old GS1 variant.

they just merged some patches and added a new number... that's like getting a security update on gingerbread...

 

[Con_Smith]

*Bullshit*

Oh yeah man I got you. stick to the minmalist W8 or the super user friendly Iphone.

Your gripes I'm sure in your opinion are legitimate, but I just can't agree with what you wrote. As someone who writes about things from such a technical level and not coming off as the average consumer I would have hoped you would have been more informed and just a tad bit more reasonable in your assessments. I guess where I love the freedom of making my device reflect myself, you would rather the device control your experience and that's cool I guess.

 

[coldfoot]

sounds like software development and collaboration would suffer... yep, the world would be missing something indeed.

It'll be done in forums and IM as it's mostly done today anyways. Nothing would be lost without IRC.

 

[Spinluck]

People at least still use Apple phones from 2009. People who bought android devices from 2009 probably threw it away at the first opportunity.

I've used a 3GS with iOS5, it's slow but nothing like Android.

I doubt you've ever touched any of the best Android phones out there.

 

[buhdeh]

Nope I used Windows. Apple OS's in the 90's weren't any better than Windows so there would be no point to it. Went Apple when I finally had enough of Vista. Then came back for 7, then away because I had enough of MS Outlook.

OMG, this was the guy who claimed Windows 7 on SSD is still slower than OS X on a regular HDD in some other Mac thread. Haha! That explains everything.

Gold

 

[coldfoot]

I doubt you've ever touched any of the best Android phones out there.

Coworkers had a Droid and a HTC Evo when I had my iPhone 4. Did not envy them one bit.

 

[Spinluck]

Coworkers had a Droid and a HTC Evo when I had my iPhone 4. Did not envy them one bit.

That's nice.

 

[Shai-Tan]

I have noticed some hitching in apps on my Nexus 7. But it's mostly Chrome which seems to fall into a ditch sometimes in the middle of rendering pages which causes an issue where you start scrolling and the OS takes seconds to respond. It's less of an issue with other browsers I've tried like Dolphin or Firefox but there's definitely some dips in performance overall in my use of the OS.

But with that in mind I continue to use my Nexus 7 over the ipad because it feels like a more full featured operating system when (i) files aren't trapped in app specific jails (ii) I can just browse to my network or local storage instead of having to throw files into dropbox (iii) apps aren't so aggressively being flushed which on iOS can make multitasking a pain especially when apps don't load back in exactly the state that they were in. (iv) I can change what I don't like. I love that Swype keyboard. It's so much better than any other touch keyboard I have used but thanks to Apple I can't use it on iOS

Android does still have a ways to go in terms of responsiveness (on the N7 touch isn't even instantaneous like it is on ios or my vita) although I can't say how hardware figures when I haven't used a lot of Android hardware.

 

[VanWinkle]

It'll be done in forums and IM as it's mostly done today anyways. Nothing would be lost without IRC.

Yup, just like nothing would be lost without Tweetbot, and without Infinity Blade, and without Facetime, etc. I mean, those aren't actually necessary, and there are alternatives, right? Even if you may not prefer the alternatives.

 

[coldfoot]

Yup, just like nothing would be lost without Tweetbot, and without Infinity Blade, and without Facetime, etc. I mean, those aren't actually necessary, and there are alternatives, right?

Far more people would be affected with the loss of those, the US economy would be $20M smaller without Infinity Blade. My parents, friends, I all had notebooks with webcams for years. Yet we never really used Skype or video chat until Facetime came along.