Never heard of Angry Joe before this thread. I can't imagine his criticisms impacted IGNs traffic very much. However I can imagine an escapade like this one might increase his greatly.
I think a line should be drawn through Yahtzee and Angry Joe. I may be remembering wrong, but on more than one occasion Yahtzee has said that his videos are primarily comedy and shouldn't be taken as a real review of a game; he admits that he picks out stupid, minuscule details and harps on them for the sake of the joke, just like how AVGN has said he actually likes a lot of the games that he's "reviewed" but shits on them for the comedy. It's kind of stupid of anyone to try and take his videos seriously when he flat out says they aren't and should be taken with a grain of salt.
Joe, on the other hand, does take himself very seriously and acts like he's the savior of game journalism. And he will complain about his own stupidity and act like it's the game's fault and it's somehow a legitimate issue, like how he said Ground Zeroes doesn't explain whats going on and is confusing because he neglected to play the previous five/two games in the series
Can we retitle this thread "Two dudes One Tweet"?
It's gross.
It doesn't need to be seen.
It's pointless.
kinda 30-70 on joes reviews. His MGR is totally off point minus the game length.
Hes just a casual gamereviewer that targets the casual gamer.scrub
Not going to hate on him for what he does. Though I take all talks of competitive gaming from him with a grain of salt or less.
No. My point was rather simple. I have no interest in what some guy has to say about the industry simply because he has a web cam. They are jack of all trades, but masters of none. A school of people who assume, incorrectly, they are an expert on all topics relating to the industry.
There's a couple of wrongs from both sides on this:
- Quoting preview commentary that does not represent the game's final judgement is misrepresentative.
- 8.9 is essentially almost a 9. It's a very high score. Trying to argue otherwise is highly pedantic.
- Angry Joe's constant namecalling and colourful insults during the whole Twitter exchange paints a terrible picture of him. He's the one that needs to grow up.
Another casualty of people acting dumb on Twitter for the whole world to see. Merrhh.
But EA is totally using preview quotes in their commercials to sell the game, without noting that it's preview text and not final review text; and they're actually using that to try to line their pockets with gamer cash so.... where's the outrage?
So, I don't recall, but what the IGN review editor this angry when EA used the "believe the hype" quote in their commercial to sell the game?
I mean, Joe isn't supposed to bring it up when talking about the review because previews and reviews are very different and you can't criticize an outlet for what they put up for review with preview quotes.
But EA is totally using preview quotes in their commercials to sell the game, without noting that it's preview text and not final review text; and they're actually using that to try to line their pockets with gamer cash so.... where's the outrage?
Gaming "journalism" is in a weird place because we have so many people without traditional training serving similar functions as traditionally trained journalists. I'm in my first semester of journalism as my second major and we've already spent a lot of time discussing how as a journalist, it's your job to consider how people might misinterpret what you say.
Also as for Yahtzee, his Zero Punctuation have never been called reviews, ever. The only people who call them reviews are people who cant wrap their head around that or seem to have a personal beef with he mocks a game.
Sorry, annoyed and crossfire by things like this:First, backseat modding is frowned upon. Second, I wasn't stunting the conversation by wondering why the thread was still alive. I wasn't ordering anything like you seem to be right now.
Two "journalists" have a slap fight on the internet. 6 page thread and counting, bravo internet.
Just as an update, twitter slap match between two "journalists" has reached 14 pages now.
Are we to the point I should be posting to some hashtag or liking something on facebook?
I'm ready to get someone fired, lets do this!!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0356721/quotes?item=qt047184634 pages over a twitter slap fight.
Bravo gaf, bravo.
I haven't really kept up should I be twitter outraged in some hashtag or liking some facebook post?
Pretty sure it's the other way around. He turns into an even bigger bitch when people dismiss him as "not really a reviewer, he's just trying to be entertaining." He insists he's a proper critic.
Unless I heard that on opposite day.
The line about 'the couch and Xbox Live being the ecosystem it's best enjoyed in' is comedy.
I'm at 180 hours and am as happy as I was with the first ten. This shit is subjective. Something the cretinous, feature-checklist mentality attempts to conceal, as if feature quality emerges from quantity.
Another aside:
The line about 'the couch and Xbox Live being the ecosystem it's best enjoyed in' is comedy.
Wait.... is this an actual quote from an IGN preview?
If IGN want to make the line between 8.0-8.9 and 9.0 so definite they should invent their own scale where that's possible. With numbers that line is inherently blurred and when someone like Joe who uses a 10-point scale converts between their scale and his 8.5-8.9 = 9.Yeah, rightly or wrongly. It seems as though the 9 threshold is a big deal for IGN which makes the difference between 8.9 and 9 somewhat important to them.
:lol :lol
I'm at 180 hours and am as happy as I was with the first ten. This shit is subjective. Something the cretinous, feature-checklist mentality attempts to conceal, as if feature quality emerges from quantity.
Another aside:
The line about 'the couch and Xbox Live being the ecosystem it's best enjoyed in' is comedy.
If you're thinking like that , then screw the freedom of speech! i mean , why should people care since it's just one guy with a webcam ?
So yeah ..you've missed the point why are you even talking on the internet since as it stand you're just one person with an opinion
Your opinion = my opinion = his opinion = freedom of speech ...if you can't understand that then why are you even speaking on a forom in the first place ?
Both guys came off as way too petty here, but Joe should've done the proper research before citing it as fact - it's not like IGN's a tough site to do basic research on.
Did he ever explain why he played the xbo version of MGS:GS in his review over the ps4 version?
kinda 30-70 on joes reviews. His MGR is totally off point minus the game length.
Hes just a casual gamereviewer that targets the casual gamer.scrub
Not going to hate on him for what he does. Though I take all talks of competitive gaming from him with a grain of salt or less.
um, freedom of speech means everyone's free to criticise someone else's opinion and is your prime argument really "it's not illegal for someone to say stuff"?
That whole IGN Preview quote is ridiculous.
"You will buy an Xbox One for Titanfall, and you should" But i have a decent pc ? "But your couch and the Xbox Live community will be the ecosystem it's best enjoyed in" How so? "crickets" M$
There's a couple of wrongs from both sides on this:
- Quoting preview commentary that does not represent the game's final judgement is misrepresentative.
- 8.9 is essentially almost a 9. It's a very high score. Trying to argue otherwise is highly pedantic.
- Angry Joe's constant namecalling and colourful insults during the whole Twitter exchange paints a terrible picture of him. He's the one that needs to grow up.
Another casualty of people acting dumb on Twitter for the whole world to see. Merrhh.
That whole IGN Preview quote is ridiculous.
"You will buy an Xbox One for Titanfall, and you should" But i have a decent pc ? "But your couch and the Xbox Live community will be the ecosystem it's best enjoyed in" How so? "crickets" M$
Is it ok to think both sides are incredibly childish and embarrassing?
Yeah but we kind of expect this sort of behavior from Angry Joe. This is kind of his schtick.Is it ok to think both sides are incredibly childish and embarrassing?
That's the joke of this all (and why I never bother with review scores or metacritic): There's no real difference between and 8.9 and a 9.0Well, arguing over a '0.1' is a bit redundant, but I suppose he's absolutely right that they gave it what they deem as being in the eights and not the nines, as Joe had alleged. It's picky as all hell and not worth debating over, but that's their review score system. Quoting from the preview like that is the bigger issue, though. That's just not on.
I have no idea how anyone can defend Vargas. He continuously does this. The name-calling, the general verbal mistreat of other writers and people in the industry. He's slowly digging himself a big hole and if he seriously thinks he has a future in this, then he should seriously consider rethinking his behaviour. It's just uncalled for. He seems to just be one of those people on a power trip because of his position of minor internet fame. He thinks he's invisible, but he's not. Burning bridges in the professional world like this isn't a good idea.
It's fine to criticise other writers' work within reason, but personally attacking them by calling them names over a misquotation situation is just unbelievably infantile. This shouldn't have escalated into this big, unnecessary spat. He should have just apologised.
That's the joke of this all (and why I never bother with review scores or metacritic): There's no real difference between and 8.9 and a 9.0
I wouldn't blame someone for thinking an 8.9 score was effectively the same as a 9.
The fact that he's arguing that there's a substantive difference between 8.9 and 9.0 suggests to me what most of us already suspect - that publishers can "buy in" to different grading ranges. Titanfall bought into a range that guaranteed them a high score, say 8.6 to 10, and thus the .1 falls on a 15 point grading scale which is actually substantial.
While I think that Angry Joe is an immature kid who is popular because he tends to pander to circlejerks and rarely has anything insightful to say (unlike Jim Sterling which panders but does have insightful things to say), it really takes a lot to one up his immaturity. Dan managed to do that in spades by quibbling over 8.9 which any reasonable person knows its irrelevant compared to a 9. Dan must really be in a complete bubble over there at IGN if he cant see how they over hyped Titanfall to the Nth degree. Honestly as review systems go a yes, no, maybe is good, a 5 point system like Giant Bomb is good, and 10 point system is not so great, but IGNs 100 point system is total bollocks. How can someone even comprehend what the difference between 8.9 and 9.0, its so esoteric that you might as well start pulling magic numbers out of your ass.